[HN Gopher] LEGO Building Instructions
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       LEGO Building Instructions
        
       Author : micah_chatt
       Score  : 312 points
       Date   : 2023-07-06 14:29 UTC (8 hours ago)
        
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       | albertopv wrote:
       | Amazing! I was thinking just about this a few days ago, my
       | daughter got a tons of Lego from hers uncles, of course without
       | instructions
        
       | gumby wrote:
       | It wasn't until I started buying Lego for myself (in my 20s) that
       | I learned that Lego came with instructions. When I was a kid my
       | parents would open the box and discard the instructions before
       | giving it to me.
       | 
       | Back then (60s/70s) the sets were quite general and open ended.
       | Modern day Lego has the thinking done ahead of time, and has too
       | many specialised pieces.
        
         | tspike wrote:
         | This is definitely a "get off my lawn" comment. Creativity with
         | Lego has never been more vibrant. I encourage you to visit your
         | local Lego fan convention, or explore one of the many online
         | forums where people share their "MOCs."
         | 
         | Those "specialized" pieces are incredible fodder for sculpting.
         | Check out newelementary.com to see some examples.
        
         | grigri907 wrote:
         | Agreed - the constraints of a limited set of bricks really
         | forced creativity.
         | 
         | However, there's been a huge paradigm shift in terms of what is
         | "allowed" as far as odd brick placements so the realm of what's
         | possible to build has expanded at least as much as the
         | inventory of brick options.
        
       | jjallen wrote:
       | There's also an app with all of the instructions if that's more
       | convenient
        
       | toastandbacon1 wrote:
       | So much nostalgia. I remember playing and building with tons of
       | Legos back in the day. Then id destroy them and build my own
       | stuff.
        
       | mrweasel wrote:
       | Now if someone would just make an app that can figure out which
       | set my bricks belong to. I have at least two sets that I can't
       | find the instructions for, because I have no idea what they're
       | called or which number they have. The bricks are fairly unique,
       | they can't be in more than 10 sets.
        
         | jjkaczor wrote:
         | There are typically numbers somewhere on bricks that you can
         | lookup.
         | 
         | Or ... Reverse image search.
        
         | bennyp101 wrote:
         | I'm sure there was a brick scanning app that appeared a while
         | ago, or try and find a number and enter it on Lego site [1],
         | otherwise post a picture on BrickLink and I'm sure someone will
         | know what it is! Then you can look on BrickLink or Rebrickable
         | to find sets that it came from
         | 
         | [1] https://www.lego.com/en-
         | gb/service/help/building_instruction...
        
         | tectec wrote:
         | Brinklink has list for each brick of the set it belongs too. I
         | was able to use that to discover a set I didn't know my older
         | brothers had.
        
         | gaazoh wrote:
         | You can try to find the parts that stand out on bricklink[0],
         | which will point you to the sets they were used in. It's pretty
         | quick, once you figure out what the part can be called or what
         | category it fits in.
         | 
         | If you can't figure it out, you can ask for help on the
         | "bricks" StackExchange site[1].
         | 
         | [0] https://www.bricklink.com [1]
         | https://bricks.stackexchange.com/
        
           | lapetitejort wrote:
           | I've attempted to find some sets based on a single
           | complicated brick and it can be challenging. How do I find
           | the "official" name of the brick based on my own vague
           | description [0]? What is the true color? How do I find
           | special printed bricks? I'm sure with practice it gets
           | easier. How open is bricks stack exchange to posting just an
           | image of a brick with not much more to go on?
           | 
           | [0]: As an example, here the description of a brick I
           | struggled to name. I've since figured it out, but you are
           | welcome to guess: flat 4x1 with bumps only on the ends (yes,
           | "bumps", because I don't know what the technical term is.
           | Again, I'm sure there's a guide or glossary I could find.)
        
             | toast0 wrote:
             | > What is the true color?
             | 
             | I have a palette of bricks of known color to calibrate
             | against. If you've got a good number of sets, you'll likely
             | start to accumulate things that are only in a few colors.
             | If possible, it's nice to switch those up with a 1x2 brick
             | in that color for consistency and because the 1x2s are
             | stable on the large area maps.
             | 
             | > As an example, here the description of a brick I
             | struggled to name. I've since figured it out, but you are
             | welcome to guess: flat 4x1 with bumps only on the ends
             | (yes, "bumps", because I don't know what the technical term
             | is. Again, I'm sure there's a guide or glossary I could
             | find.)
             | 
             | You kind of work up to it. There are _very_ small and hard
             | to read numbers on a lot of the parts that helps sometimes.
             | Searching for 1x4, ignore printed parts, shows 230 parts on
             | rebrickable (other sites may vary), looking through all
             | those pictures gets me to  "Plate Special 1 x 4 with 2
             | Studs" [1]. I don't think there's a brick like this, or I
             | can't find it, just the plate; but then you didn't know the
             | magic terminology that the flat pieces (1/3rd height) are
             | plates, not bricks. Had I properly interpreted your
             | description, I'd have jumped to the plates, special
             | category, and skipped the search.
             | 
             | [1] https://rebrickable.com/parts/92593/plate-
             | special-1-x-4-with...
        
       | photonerd wrote:
       | Probably an age thing, but I've never understood the point of
       | Lego instructions. Or the sets.
       | 
       | The whole point of Lego was creative free form building. Remove
       | that & it's dull as hell. It just becomes model building with
       | poor quality models as the result.
       | 
       | I'm happy _other_ people find it fun, but to me it misses the
       | entire point in favor of weak licensed "kits".
        
         | dsr_ wrote:
         | My own take:
         | 
         | Some people want to play with playsets. Some people want to
         | display models. Some people want to create art. Some people
         | want to construct machines. Some people want to assert
         | allegiance. Some people want to collect.
         | 
         | All of these aims are valid. The diversity of ways to buy LEGO
         | supports them all, while maintaining a high-quality, largely
         | compatible, reasonably consistent medium.
        
           | bluetomcat wrote:
           | In recent years, there is a general drift towards
           | "collectible display models". This means that the piece count
           | in most sets is inflated by a majority of small "finishing"
           | pieces. The models are finicky to build with lots of unusual
           | building techniques (attaching bricks on sidewalls, for
           | example) and are not easy to repurpose into something else in
           | a reasonable amount of time.
           | 
           | In the 1990s, it was a "construction toy" first, playset
           | second, display model last. A kid could take any set and
           | rebuild it into something else in an hour or so. Now, they
           | would need more time only to sort the tiny 1x1 pieces before
           | starting to build anything.
        
             | LeifCarrotson wrote:
             | The 1x1 sticker tiles sort themselves by granular
             | convection [1] to the bottom of a Rubbermaid tote just like
             | the sunflower seeds in a snack mix. In our house, they
             | frequently get neglected except as gems/coins/treasure to
             | fill a pirate chest. The large plates and bricks float to
             | the top during shaking and digging.
             | 
             | [1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Granular_convection
        
             | lacksconfidence wrote:
             | Personally I find the display models awesome. I'm not a big
             | lego fan but the apollo rocket was nifty so I built it and
             | put it on display.
        
             | lukas099 wrote:
             | Sounds like a greater diversity of pieces for free-play
             | construction to me.
        
             | PhasmaFelis wrote:
             | See, I love all those detail bits. I love to make tiny,
             | intricate models that say a lot in a small space. I love
             | grabbing a couple of random gribbly bits, sticking them
             | together, deciding they look like the beginning of
             | something, then sticking on more bits to make it more like
             | the thing.
             | 
             | The "voxel sculpture" style where you just stack (mostly)
             | rectangular bricks into a shape is perfectly valid, but
             | it's less interesting to me personally.
             | 
             | Modern Lego supports both. Both are valid. They still sell
             | big brick buckets, and no one's stopping you from buying
             | one of those and doing your thing.
        
               | epiccoleman wrote:
               | What I'd really like to see is a "brick bucket" that
               | contains mostly large bricks and maybe a few doors,
               | windows, and slanted tiles. I'm all for gribbly bits, but
               | it seems harder to accumulate a good collection of the
               | basics these days - because the big "brick buckets" you
               | describe are probably half gribbly bits. In my experience
               | as a kid, what we really wanted was enough mass to build
               | walls and houses and forts, and were not as interested in
               | small detail stuff.
        
               | dsr_ wrote:
               | Set 10698. 790 pieces, $35 at amazon.
               | 
               | https://www.lego.com/en-us/product/lego-large-creative-
               | brick...
        
               | epiccoleman wrote:
               | That looks pretty good actually, but now I'm going to
               | move the goalposts and wish for a similar box with less
               | color variety so that you can build, for example, a white
               | house with a red roof, instead of having to cobble
               | together various colors.
               | 
               | Still though, I just might have to top off the kids
               | collection with one of these boxes. Good find.
        
             | rkangel wrote:
             | > In recent years, there is a general drift towards
             | "collectible display models"
             | 
             | I think there is an actually an "addition" here rather than
             | a change. You're an adult conversing with adults (I assume)
             | and therefore the discussions you have and the marketing
             | you see are more about sets targeted to AFOLs (Adult Fans
             | of Lego).
             | 
             | The classic Lego childhood lines (Lego City) still exist
             | and still work just as well for play and creative
             | construction as they ever did - and they don't use a lot of
             | 1x1s. It's just that we've _also_ gained these new lines of
             | large adult sets that never used to exist.
        
               | bluetomcat wrote:
               | Even the vehicles in 5+ City sets are affected by this
               | trend. It takes about 50 parts stacked in intricate ways
               | just to build the base chassis structure of a van, for
               | example.
               | 
               | In the 1990s, Town vehicles were 4-stud wide and didn't
               | focus on the small detailing. The instructions for the
               | original vehicle were just a single sheet of paper with
               | less than 20 steps. You could build the original vehicle
               | by memory after having built it a couple of times with
               | instructions. The back of the box suggested alternative
               | builds, which, although looking "imperfect" were a solid
               | base for imagination.
        
               | Freak_NL wrote:
               | Those complex sets are great for stimulating certain
               | types of spatial reasoning, perseverance, and fine motor
               | skills. My four year old went from 'building a tractor
               | (60287) with dad helping' to 'building 5+ kits all by
               | himself'.
               | 
               | The kits don't stop him from just building his own stuff
               | either. The two forms of play seem complimentary.
        
               | rkangel wrote:
               | There is a good range of "3-in-1" sets that are good at
               | starting kids off building the same bricks into multiple
               | models: https://www.lego.com/en-gb/themes/creator-3-in-1
               | 
               | Once they've got a few sets like that, the rebuilding
               | into unspecified stuff seems to come naturally (at least
               | with the cousins and friends kids I've played with).
        
             | zgluck wrote:
             | Lego nailed it in 1980 with the 8860 Auto Chassis, IMO. It
             | does all of those things in a nice balance with piece count
             | of 662 (for a 57 cm long car) and IMO still ends up looking
             | better than today's 3000 piece models.
             | 
             | http://www.technicopedia.com/8860.html
        
         | thirteenfingers wrote:
         | I personally agree about the whole point of Lego being free
         | form building - and I still have some Lego magazines from the
         | days when that was explicitly encouraged by Lego - but you
         | _need_ kits and instructions to get to the point where you can
         | do free form building. It 's like composing music, you're going
         | to have a very difficult time of it if you don't first study a
         | whole lot of existing, well-constructed music.
        
           | photonerd wrote:
           | I mean... I didn't. At all. So I'd dispute the "need", tho
           | it's of course a learning option I guess.
        
         | nuancebydefault wrote:
         | The fun of building new sets off instructions is the
         | satisfying-ness. You know the instructions are correct, that no
         | pieces are missing and all pieces click together satisfyingly
         | into the result, that looks and feels nice. Each click is
         | satisfying.
         | 
         | It is a whole lot different from tinkering with arduino
         | hats/sw, as frustration can creep in if things don't work as
         | expected.
        
         | lubesGordi wrote:
         | Yeah we never had sets or instructions as a kid (of the 80s).
         | But now doing sets it's pretty relaxing, fun, easy. It's a
         | puzzle. Eventually everything ends up in a heap like other
         | comments mention. I imagine once the heap is big enough we'll
         | go back to creative free form building with the variety of
         | generic and tailored pieces we've accrued.
        
         | germinalphrase wrote:
         | Free building is great, but my experience is that my young son
         | _also_ wants to build his sense of competence - following the
         | steps correctly, fixing mistakes, and making something exactly
         | like the picture. Sure, he plays with it for a minute and then
         | tears it apart to make something original - but, like you said,
         | that's the beauty of Lego.
        
         | xdrosenheim wrote:
         | The whole point of LEGO is to "LEg GOdt" (Play great/good/well,
         | however you want to translate that).
        
         | stinkytaco wrote:
         | I like both. I think Lego sets are in many ways my first
         | experience of technical documentation and I still use those
         | skills. It also helped me learn about how sets went together so
         | I could design my own. Finally, I wanted to play with what was
         | on the box.
        
         | m3kw9 wrote:
         | Why did you buy the specific kit just to build your own stuff?
         | The process of going thru the process and the satisfaction of
         | finishing is rewarding
        
           | photonerd wrote:
           | I didn't. That's my point. Kits were rare (usually just
           | suggestions with a slight subset of blocks) and most "sets"
           | were 100s of pieces & so infinite options to build.
           | 
           | Now that's still available but VERY much tertiary.
        
         | CWuestefeld wrote:
         | I'm with you. I remember my childhood experience with Legos. Me
         | and a friend down the road would drag out this big bucket full
         | of random stuff. We'd build forts, and then crazy many-wheeled
         | trucks that would assault them.
         | 
         | The whole thing was about those designs just springing from the
         | imagination, and I really don't get what fun building toward a
         | prescribed design would be, especially since it's so low
         | fidelity.
        
           | photonerd wrote:
           | Right, exactly.
           | 
           | Like I understand the appeal of model building but Lego
           | models aren't very good models & look like ass compared to
           | (often a lot cheaper) model kits.
        
         | lfowles wrote:
         | It gives you a core set of patterns for going off on your own
         | and building. Think of it as lego practice that shows you a
         | neat model at the end you can then scrap :)
        
         | jedberg wrote:
         | The purpose of the instructions is to learn the techniques.
         | First you build with the instructions, then you tear it apart
         | and build what you want.
         | 
         | Not everyone is into the instructions -- my daughter follows
         | them meticulously and will only build with instructions. My son
         | refuses to follow instructions and will only "master build".
         | 
         | When I was a kid I'd build with the instructions, and
         | eventually I destroyed everything and built a whole city from
         | scratch.
         | 
         | Every kid is different.
        
         | roryisok wrote:
         | Growing up, myself and my siblings built sets when we first got
         | them as gifts, but after that they went in the pile. We would
         | build whatever was in our imagination, from the multicolored
         | heap.
         | 
         | Now I have my own kids, and they all want to build sets from
         | instructions. The odd time we'll dive into the pile of orphaned
         | bits and build a house or a boat or something, but mostly they
         | want to recreate what they remember. My wife spends hours
         | finding all the pieces of a set and bagging them up for the
         | kids to build later (so she's gonna love this)
         | 
         | It's tempting to say "kids nowadays" but I think it's just
         | different personality types. In other media, my kids are far
         | more creative and imaginative than I ever was, but with Lego
         | sets they prefer to recreate the perfect image than make a
         | hodge podge thing that never existed.
        
         | epiccoleman wrote:
         | For us growing up, the point of the sets was that you got a
         | cool spaceship or whatever, which you would put your personal
         | Lego guy into, park near your "base", and play with until some
         | other project demanded the parts. Then it would be disassembled
         | mercilessly and consigned to the bin as grist for the
         | constantly evolving construction project laid out on our much-
         | abused air hockey table.
         | 
         | If a set was a particularly cool build, we might disassemble it
         | and then rebuild it - but most of the time, once something got
         | taken apart, no one was ever going to bother trying to
         | reconstruct it from the manual, since doing so would have
         | involved finding all 500 necessary pieces in the mega-bin.
        
         | FireBeyond wrote:
         | Aimed more at adults, but the Architecture Studio was intended
         | to be more free-form:
         | 
         | https://www.lego.com/en-gb/product/studio-21050
         | 
         | There are no 'models' to build, and the "instructions" that
         | come with it are more a discussion of architectural principles,
         | as adapted for Lego as needed.
        
         | onemoresoop wrote:
         | Neither did I till I had a kid. My kid loves following
         | instructions, builds a set a few times, then he goes into
         | creative mode and builds his own way. Instructions helped my
         | kid learn the basics of instruction following which is a good
         | skill to have for a 5 year old.
        
           | photonerd wrote:
           | Yeah I have a 2 yr old & larger blocks. He's all about free
           | building atm.
        
         | mcphage wrote:
         | > The whole point of Lego was creative free form building.
         | Remove that & it's dull as hell.
         | 
         | The point is that Lego can be played with in a bunch of ways.
         | It's parts that you can do whatever with, and it has
         | instructions for one or more models that you can make. Some
         | people like the sheer possibilities of making things up, and
         | some people find that daunting. Lego supports both, and
         | anything in between.
         | 
         | Following the instructions does teach you techniques that you
         | can use on designing your own builds. It's a way to learn from
         | experts.
        
           | photonerd wrote:
           | > The point is that Lego can be played with in a bunch of
           | ways.
           | 
           | Indeed: the exact opposite of a set of instructions &
           | specific, custom produced, build pieces.
        
             | mcphage wrote:
             | > specific, custom produced, build pieces
             | 
             | How they reuse molds in Lego models is crazy. I have a
             | model with a pagoda, that uses bananas for the points on
             | the eaves. My favorite is the orchid model, where the
             | smaller orchid blossoms are demigorgon heads from the
             | Stranger Things sets.
        
         | XCSme wrote:
         | It's like assembling Ikea furniture. Some people like it.
        
           | photonerd wrote:
           | I like model building. But Lego models are not very good
           | models
        
         | swayvil wrote:
         | I agree.
         | 
         | It's like painting by numbers. Or drawing from one of those
         | "how to draw a pirate" instructional guides.
         | 
         | It's a completely different thing.
         | 
         | I know a guy who prefers the instructions. He builds them and
         | then keeps them on display, on shelves and such.
        
         | globular-toast wrote:
         | I love following instructions. It's so relaxing for me to just
         | follow without having to figure anything out. Building my own
         | stuff with Lego would be a completely different thing and I
         | never enjoyed that, probably because I'm not very good at it.
        
         | jjkaczor wrote:
         | I am in-between - so, the way I used instructions was for ideas
         | on how things could be put together that were "non-obvious".
         | 
         | I would build it once, then play with that model for a bit,
         | then deconstruct it, put it into my box of loose LEGO and then
         | build whatever I wanted - sometimes it would look similar, but
         | it was never the same way twice.
         | 
         | I fail to understand expensive sets that get built and sit on
         | shelves or in glass enclosures... Might as well break out the
         | Kragle (I think many people failed to see the point of that
         | movie...)
        
         | hugi wrote:
         | I'm in my early forties but I still grew up with instructions
         | and sets. Usually I'd assemble a set and probably learn a thing
         | or two along the way, then I'd tear the sets down and build
         | stuff myself.
         | 
         | As a father of three, that's exactly how I see my kids using
         | the sets today. The sets get built once, then they get torn
         | down and the bricks get reused.
        
       | JNRowe wrote:
       | I sincerely applaud _everything_ ending up on IA. However, if you
       | 're searching for specific instructions brickinstructions is
       | excellent as it is far more navigable. For a random example see
       | Starguider1. I wonder if someone has already scraped that site
       | for IA, beyond simply praying to the Wayback Machine.
       | 
       | 1 https://lego.brickinstructions.com/m/lego_instructions/set/6...
        
         | el_benhameen wrote:
         | Thank you for sharing this. I'm going to show it to my 6 year
         | old and he's going to lose his mind. Great way to make use of
         | my massive box of childhood legos and empty summer hours.
        
           | bombcar wrote:
           | There is/was a website where you could upload all your parts
           | and it would tell you what you could build.
        
             | dunham wrote:
             | There is a app for that too, which works off of a photo of
             | your parts: https://brickit.app/
        
             | tspike wrote:
             | Rebrickable. Very much still alive.
        
         | internetter wrote:
         | Yes, we archived the entire thing in 2020[0] (~100gb). Maybe
         | it's worth running again.
         | 
         | [0]: https://archive.fart.website/archivebot/viewer/job/avlad
         | 
         | Edit: What this means is you can open any* link to
         | lego.brickinstructions.com and see it in the wayback machine
         | (IA ingests these archives)
         | 
         | *maybe not the mobile view you linked, not links after the job
         | ran, not pages that couldn't be found in a crawl
        
           | JNRowe wrote:
           | That is great. I could see a lot it was in the wayback
           | machine, but I have no idea what the pipeline for that is.
           | Poking around from your link was informative, thanks!
        
         | kazinator wrote:
         | When brickinstructions goes belly up, or just messes up its
         | URLs for shits and giggles, you will need to go through
         | archive.org to find out what used to be at that URL.
        
         | FeteCommuniste wrote:
         | Wow, that just gave me a crazy flash of nostalgia. I think I
         | must have had this set, or at least a very similar one.
        
           | kevinob11 wrote:
           | Whoa, WHOA, I could never have named or described this but it
           | suddenly felt like I was 8 hoping for specific christmas
           | gifts again.
        
           | lukebbutton wrote:
           | Same, it hit hard
        
           | fxtentacle wrote:
           | me too :)
        
       | rhplus wrote:
       | I'm surprised there's no copyright notice on these instruction
       | booklets. Has LEGO ever stated that their booklets are freely
       | reproducible or is this a gray area?
       | 
       | Note: I'm talking about the layout and graphics of the booklets
       | themselves, not the logical instructions (i.e. recipe book versus
       | recipes).
        
       | IG_Semmelweiss wrote:
       | This is a great reminder for parents of lego-addicted kids to get
       | their into STEM by entering in FRC. It starts early, with legos!
       | 
       | https://www.firstinspires.org/robotics/fll
        
       | sxp wrote:
       | For modern sets, you can also get a PDF from the official site:
       | https://www.lego.com/en-us/service/buildinginstructions/7622...
       | 
       | One of these days, I want to learn enough computer vision to
       | write an LEGO instruction booklet to LCAD convertor that could be
       | fed old instructions and generate a 3D model of the set. An
       | archive of the instructions is nice, but a virtual archive of
       | sets would be nicer.
        
         | xp84 wrote:
         | Then feed that model into a 3d printer and archive your built
         | sets immutably in meatspace! :D
        
       | bryanmgreen wrote:
       | Over the last several years I've made a habit of downloading PDF
       | manuals for many things I own and saving them in a Google Drive
       | folder for safe-keeping.
       | 
       | You never know when you need one until you do and it's a
       | nightmare if you lost it!
        
         | jordij1 wrote:
         | My manuals are sorted in folders by maker / brand name.
        
       | jonathankoren wrote:
       | Internet Archive is a great resource, but man the interface
       | sucks. Part of it's because there's no good way browse online,
       | and part of it is because the search is broken. Indexing so much
       | data in such diverse formats with questionable or missing
       | metadata is hard. I'd love a better interface, but I also suspect
       | that a crappy interface is what help IA stay alive. There's
       | plenty of legally questionable data hosted there if you know
       | where to look.
        
       | lostlogin wrote:
       | The crowd who like Lego May also enjoy the tv series Lego Masters
       | (and it's versus regional versions). Some of the builds are
       | actually amazing.
        
       | OliveMate wrote:
       | My old man recently got a bunch of boxes from my childhood out of
       | his, including multiple tubs of mixed Lego and a box of
       | incomplete instructions. This will prove to be a valuable
       | resource in the coming months, thank you very much!
       | 
       | I keep staring at all the artwork included on some of the early
       | Bionicle instructions and I love that dark mysterious island
       | aesthetic.
        
       | roryisok wrote:
       | Lego themselves have an archived copy of every instruction set
       | going back to the 80s, available here - https://www.lego.com/en-
       | us/service/buildinginstructions
       | 
       | But for whatever reason, the scans are poor quality and very
       | dark, and it can be hard to make out what piece is which. These
       | ones look much better
        
         | aleph_minus_one wrote:
         | > Lego themselves have an archived copy of every instruction
         | set going back to the 80s, available here -
         | https://www.lego.com/en-us/service/buildinginstructions
         | 
         | Since can't be true: I am _very_ certain that there exist Lego
         | Technic models from before 1996, which is the oldest year that
         | can be selected.
        
       | gleenn wrote:
       | I was sad not to see the original Technic Super Car. It had a
       | working V8, 4 wheel drive with 4 wheel steering and 3 way
       | differential, and even an actual gear box with shifter. You could
       | see the pistons pump when you pushed it around. One of the best
       | birthday presents I ever asked for.
        
         | netsharc wrote:
         | The 8880: https://brickset.com/article/20017/8880-super-car-
         | the-best-e...
        
         | MisterTea wrote:
         | That was a great set - it also featured double wishbone
         | suspension supported by spring struts.
        
         | marceldegraaf wrote:
         | That was an amazing set. The first one I bought from my own
         | hard-saved cash as a kid. Really fun to build and amazing (and
         | informative) to see the working steering, differential,
         | suspension, and gear train assemblies.
         | 
         | I have this set laying around, mostly complete. Should really
         | rebuild it someday!
        
         | xdrosenheim wrote:
         | Do you know the set number? There is a "Super Car" in Technic
         | with set number 8070, available in the archive. Not sure about
         | the steering and differential, but it seems to feature a V8 and
         | a stick shift.
        
       | amelius wrote:
       | It would be nice to have 3D models of these, so I can play with
       | them without shelling out $$$.
        
       | Waterluvian wrote:
       | My kids being 4 and 6 means we're full into Lego. I grew up with
       | two brothers so we have like three hundred pounds of it. But lost
       | most of the instructions.
       | 
       | It's been amazing to go online and find any instruction and re-
       | assemble these kits.
       | 
       | It also made me realize something: half the value of buying a kit
       | these days is that you aren't spending hours finding needles in a
       | 300lb haystack.
        
         | m3kw9 wrote:
         | You need a rule that you cannot mix more than 2000 pieces from
         | different kits. Basically 1/3 of those organizer boxes. A
         | balance between search ability and organization, otherwise you
         | get in these situations where it's not feasible to rebuild a
         | kit that you have, it's like mixing different engine parts and
         | expect to build that same engine
        
         | paulryanrogers wrote:
         | > ...half the value of buying a kit these days is that you
         | aren't spending hours finding needles in a 300lb haystack.
         | 
         | My guess is that is why techies keep inventing their own Lego
         | sorting machines
        
         | omoikane wrote:
         | > you aren't spending hours finding needles in a 300lb
         | haystack.
         | 
         | I guess that's for people who have a specific thing in mind
         | that they wanted to build. I find a lot fun just picking out
         | random pieces and then thinking about where to attach them
         | afterwards.
        
         | cortesoft wrote:
         | My kids never want to build the instruction versions, they only
         | want to make their own designs.
        
         | suddenclarity wrote:
         | > It also made me realize something: half the value of buying a
         | kit these days is that you aren't spending hours finding
         | needles in a 300lb haystack.
         | 
         | It's a bit of work but I found enjoyment in sorting my old
         | childhood Lego. Don't do colors, do categories (bricks, slopes,
         | plates, etc). Once done, I could complete my old childhood
         | models even faster than the unsorted ones you buy new. It also
         | lowers the threshold to break it down and build something else
         | since it's so easy to find the parts. On the downside, it takes
         | more space than a single bin.
        
           | pbronez wrote:
           | Absolutely categories are better than colors. It doesn't LOOK
           | as pretty but it's way more functional.
        
         | samstave wrote:
         | >>* _half the value of buying a kit these days is that you
         | aren't spending hours finding needles in a 300lb haystack.*_
         | 
         | Are you NUTS?
         | 
         | Are you trying to shame my 1980s values with LEGO?
         | 
         | "I KNOW that FN piece is in here!!!! I JUST SAW IT!!!!"
         | 
         | You're robbing your kids of a life lesson. and better image
         | recognition, memory, sorting processing thoughts, etc.
         | 
         | There are so many lessons embedded in working with LEGO that
         | can only be learnt through the frustration of a F-ton of brix
         | in a bin and your looking for that specific 1x2 -- or worse
         | yet, 1x1 smooth piece.
         | 
         | I used to buy things in bulk from LEGO at the mall in San Jose
         | and just have bins of smooth pieces and other were parts...
        
           | usefulcat wrote:
           | I get what you're saying, but in a large pile, finding the
           | right piece is easily 10x harder now because the number of
           | unique LEGO parts is much, much higher than when you and I
           | were kids.
        
             | samstave wrote:
             | Ah, I mis-interpreted that.. and I agree. I hate the
             | custom/uniques that lego builds with some lame co-branding
             | like a movie with DC/Marvel....
             | 
             | Lego is by default the foundationaly builing block.
             | 
             | I HATE custom pieces to a lego set.
        
         | kroltan wrote:
         | > It also made me realize something: half the value of buying a
         | kit these days is that you aren't spending hours finding
         | needles in a 300lb haystack.
         | 
         | What! That is the best part!
         | 
         | Wading through a mound of Lego has to be one of the most
         | satisfying sounds I know, the clatter of a bajillion pieces of
         | precision plastic, each with their different cavities and
         | sonority, moving around each handful you scrape off to the
         | side... Good times.
         | 
         | In the rare occasion I get a Lego set nowadays (no kids yet),
         | the first thing I do is open every bag of pieces into a tray so
         | I can do it on a smaller scale.
        
           | mirkules wrote:
           | > no kids yet
           | 
           | You will know no fury as when your kids intentionally mix up
           | all the pieces for fun. We have hundreds of LEGO people, and
           | my kids intentionally dismembered them into their individual
           | pieces (including HANDS!). But how can you get angry at kids
           | playing??? _twitch_
        
             | jmmv wrote:
             | It sounds like you should watch The Lego Movie (:
        
               | BanazirGalbasi wrote:
               | I think having sets that you like to keep together and
               | you don't want to mix up is fine. Too many people saw the
               | Lego Movie and took it to mean that keeping sets as sets
               | is bad. Note that the person you responded to isn't
               | stopping their kids even as they cause more destruction
               | than the Lego Movie showed, they're simply complaining
               | about it here because what _they_ had is gone.
               | 
               | Yes, let kids mix and match and play. But also
               | acknowledge that we all play differently, and for some
               | people having a model of something that they built is
               | where the fun lies. People who like organization can
               | still have fun, let's not shame them for their
               | preferences.
        
             | nimajneb wrote:
             | My daughter will be getting her own Lego and possibly a
             | selection of mine. I organized mine for the first time in
             | my life last year. Some of the sets I've had since the very
             | late 80s and early 90s. Those aren't getting lost :P
             | 
             | She can play with them supervised, but she'll have her own.
             | This is all assuming she's even interested, she's only 2 so
             | who knows yet.
        
               | Tade0 wrote:
               | Mine is also two and really into Duplo, so Lego will be a
               | natural progression, especially considering that the
               | blocks are compatible, so I wholeheartedly recommend it.
               | 
               | Also some the ones she's playing with are currently over
               | 30 years old and still going.
        
           | davely wrote:
           | > Wading through a mound of Lego has to be one of the most
           | satisfying sounds I know
           | 
           | My friend, let me introduce you to this Spotify playlist:
           | LEGO White Noise [1]
           | 
           | [1] https://open.spotify.com/album/6qZUya0mkucuxvoIp4akVT?si=
           | RgH...
        
             | fluxinflex wrote:
             | That made my day! That's soooo incredibly unbelievably
             | mindnumbingly stupid that I love it :+1:
        
           | gertlex wrote:
           | I recently had the realization... I've carried this enjoyment
           | onwards into how I store parts for hobbies. While I use
           | compartmentalized containers for things, compartments are
           | still a mix of parts. I can search for quite a while without
           | getting frustrated, just knowing, "those servo mounting
           | brackets are in one of these two containers in the garage..."
           | 
           | I don't buy or aspire to own new Lego as an adult, but I'm
           | still basically doing the same thing I did as a kid: every
           | time I decide to do a hardware project is me digging through
           | my bins of assorted parts instead Lego parts.
           | 
           | Oh and of course, my desk is perpetually just as messy as the
           | floor was as a kid, and I'm often fidgeting seeing how random
           | things do/don't fit together.
           | 
           | (also, also... building the set? nah, building my own things
           | without instructions, and similarly writing my own code...)
        
           | pbronez wrote:
           | Agree! My partner disagrees though. She wants the LEGO
           | organized by color or set. I find this blasphemous. It's
           | legit harder for me to find pieces when they're sorted like
           | this. My brain is tuned with specialized LEGO bin stirring
           | techniques that reliably turn up what I need... but that
           | doesn't work at all when the piece has been squirreled away
           | where it "belongs"!
        
           | lcnPylGDnU4H9OF wrote:
           | There's someone who's really into knolling
           | (https://knolling.org/what-is-knolling) and hates this
           | comment.
        
             | semi-extrinsic wrote:
             | Always Be Knolling.
        
           | lostlogin wrote:
           | > Wading through a mound of Lego has to be one of the most
           | satisfying sounds I know
           | 
           | There are two sounds I associate with Lego. The one you
           | describe and the other.
           | 
           | The words you can find and the tone you utter them with when
           | you unexpectedly stand on a piece, or even better, when you
           | kneel on a bit when trying to find the tv remote.
        
           | jjkaczor wrote:
           | The sound of swishing through a mound/box/bin of LEGO has to
           | be the most relaxing thing for me ever...
        
             | bombcar wrote:
             | The word 'Gruschteling' is a German word used by German
             | Lego fans. It is used to describe the distinctive sound
             | made when you sift through a large bucket of Lego, trying
             | to find the right piece.
        
               | lukebbutton wrote:
               | My grandfather used to say that whenever we played lego
               | as kids
        
             | Waterluvian wrote:
             | I looooove that sound. But with young kids there's no point
             | trying to sort. And without sorting, every piece takes a
             | while to find.
        
               | epiccoleman wrote:
               | One of my "core memories" wrt Lego is meticulously
               | spending days sorting small parts into some of those
               | Sterilite multi-drawer things and then knocking it over,
               | spilling all my hard work onto the floor and undoing it.
               | 
               | I was probably 8 or 9. From that point on, fuck it, they
               | all go in one big box. My brothers and I would compete to
               | see who could find the most valuable pieces. Mostly
               | treasure chest coins, little gems, and basically anything
               | translucent qualified - transparent single stud pieces,
               | cone pieces, and lightsaber beams were very high value,
               | since one could not build a respectable Lego sci-fi
               | arsenal without all of them.
        
               | kroltan wrote:
               | Ha! That was a common competition between me and my
               | friend around that age too.
               | 
               | He is very fortunate to be part of a reasonably affluent
               | family, so he had like 6 60-liter boxes full of assorted
               | Lego.
               | 
               | We would spill a couple at a time (who am I kidding we
               | spilled all of them) on the floor, when the flow of
               | pieces stopped, the game was on! So many arguments about
               | the nature of the simple shapes, like "oh no this isn't a
               | blue lightsaber, it is a cylinder of _pure diamond_! "
        
             | dsr_ wrote:
             | My wife says that sound means that I'm happy and relaxed.
        
             | kevmarsden wrote:
             | I'm totally the opposite. That sound is grating to me. But
             | I'm sensitive to other sounds too, so it's not just LEGO.
        
         | celticninja wrote:
         | Get the brickit app, saves some time
        
           | Waterluvian wrote:
           | I'll have to check it out again. Last time it looked like it
           | wanted a subscription.
           | 
           | I would just like to pay once for an app that 100% offline
           | scans for blocks. Let me pick an instruction book and begin
           | pointing out pieces to me that belong in the set.
           | 
           | Fingers crossed.
        
           | marak830 wrote:
           | I disagree. A whole bunch about Lego is the search. I was
           | recently reintroduced by my son (5) and the fun of searching
           | for what we want to try to complete a build - and
           | occasionally redesigning due to what we find - is amazing.
           | 
           | Also helps him learn to adjust on the fly, which is a great
           | thing to learn at a young age.
        
             | LeifCarrotson wrote:
             | I have been building with my 6yo, and he has the
             | traditional giant bin where all the sets of Creator pack of
             | assorted bricks, plus the sets from Ninjago and Spider Man
             | and Minecraft and various cars and so on all get
             | disassembled after about 3 days for him to dig through.
             | 
             | More recently, I also got out my old boxes of Knex, which
             | I'd put away a decade ago by sorting the parts by color
             | into about a dozen quart-size ziploc bags (there are far
             | fewer variants of Knex than of Lego, even ignoring the
             | myriad custom tiles and stickers). He was THRILLED to have
             | them all sorted, and for more than a month now - probably a
             | dozen sessions of use - has put them back in the right
             | bags. It's like pulling teeth to get him to keep his art
             | supplies organized, those can just be piled in a heap, it
             | can take two hours for him to do his laundry, typical
             | playtime with friends is an explosion of toys from bins,
             | but it is critical that the Knex go in the right bag even
             | during use.
             | 
             | After seeing that, I got a compartmentalized organizer that
             | used to hold fishing tackle, dumped all the tackle in the
             | big tackle box, and washed it, and he has been keeping "the
             | good Legos" in that. If you're curious, it turns out that
             | the good Lego are the wheels, propellers, blocks with pins
             | to connect to those wheels and propellers, the Technik
             | couplers, the Ninjago transparent flames, especially the
             | Ninjago spring-loaded bolt gun thing, and the Minecraft
             | character heads Not the character bodies, not the Iron Man
             | head, not even the ones that look like him and Mom and Dad,
             | just Minecraft heads - everything else can go in the bin. I
             | think he made a good selection, builds just seem to go
             | together faster when those parts are available. In
             | particular he used to need help on occasion to find the
             | right wheels - everything seems to need wheels - and now he
             | has them.
             | 
             | God I hope he's more organized and tidy than me.
        
       | chias wrote:
       | Oh man, this sent me down a trip to memory lane. I had a lot of
       | the Spyrius set as a little kid, and I loved them to bits. I just
       | looked up how much they'd cost to buy them again, and they're
       | like $1000 a pop :o
        
         | endemic wrote:
         | nostalgia is a helluva drug
        
         | aeneasmackenzie wrote:
         | You may be able to (entirely legally) part out the sets on
         | bricklink, buy the generic bricks from webrick, and buy the
         | specific bricks from bricklink sellers. This will be
         | substantially cheaper and it's an onboard into non-Lego
         | building bricks which have gotten really good in the last few
         | years. The glut of vendors selling copied Lego sets has given
         | the field a bad name, but the brick design is out of patent and
         | there are many sellers designing their own sets as well as
         | selling MOCs.
        
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