[HN Gopher] Open Letter to Tim O'Reilly to Free the Perl Camel
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Open Letter to Tim O'Reilly to Free the Perl Camel
Dear Tim, I've been thinking about this letter for a while now.
There was a time (an eternity in IT age) where you did a lot for
Perl and I thank you so much for this But time passed and Perl has
lost its value to your eyes. Thanks to you Perl inherited a logo:
the camel But because of you, Perl actually never had a logo at all
Over the years, you never ever made the Perl camel open enough for
us (Perl community) to freely use or modify. Consequently, we are
in a very uncomfortable position. Let's just use a new logo,
what's the point? No, it's not that simple and we were never able
to achieve this. As of today, we are torn between: - Your camel
that we are not allowed to use - A shadowed camel derived from
your camel, still problematic even if it's de facto used everywhere
- An onion that is not Perl but foundation logo (and not even free
to use/modify) - A raptor that some people don't like or don't
recognize well the association - Various other attempts It's a
long standing problem with numerous discussions, attempts and
continuous frustrations for us. Now, the thing is, only YOU can
fix this And it's time. So I'm asking solemnly, free the Perl
camel! And do it with a nice and clear license. #FreeThePerlCamel
Please. Thibault Notes: it was sent to permissions@oreilly.com, I
don't have an answer yet
Author : reeeese
Score : 65 points
Date : 2023-07-08 21:27 UTC (1 hours ago)
| grahamlee wrote:
| Context for people who weren't there: Perl was created by Larry
| Wall, who became an O'Reilly employee. The camel was the
| unofficial logo because it was the picture (presumably from the
| Dover pictorial gallery) used for the book Programming Perl co-
| authored by Wall and published by O'Reilly.
| jrflowers wrote:
| > Perl actually never had a logo at all
|
| doesn't really line up with
|
| >A shadowed camel derived from your camel, still problematic even
| if it's de facto used everywhere
| oalders wrote:
| I think it should read like Perl never really had one official
| logo. There are a few different logos floating around in
| various formats, but as for an official logo, that doesn't
| really exist.
| oalders wrote:
| This looks to be a partial version of
| https://dev.to/thibaultduponchelle/open-letter-to-tim-oreill...
|
| See also https://neilb.org/2020/12/04/perl-and-camels.html and
| https://dev.to/thibaultduponchelle/the-perl-complex-topic-of...
|
| The logo situation is a mess and I don't think it's actually
| anyone's fault. However, if O'Reilly could clearly assign rights
| to the camel for use as an official Perl logo, I think this would
| solve a real branding problem and make things a lot less
| confusing.
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