[HN Gopher] Newpipe.net removed from Google search results due t... ___________________________________________________________________ Newpipe.net removed from Google search results due to DMCA take down request Author : the-scrabi Score : 238 points Date : 2023-07-11 15:38 UTC (7 hours ago) (HTM) web link (newpipe.net) (TXT) w3m dump (newpipe.net) | phh wrote: | There is chrome.google.com and www.facebook.com in the list. | That's pretty cool. | | I'm not saying they are wrong, chrome definitely allows you to | decode drm-encombered files, but uh... | cge wrote: | The Lumen Database page lists only domain names of the URLs in | the complaint unless you solve a captcha and enter an email | address. The full complaint lists https://newpipe.net/ itself, | while the chrome.google.com (and addons.mozilla.org, and | store.microsoft.com...) URLs are to browser extension pages, | and the Facebook URL is the URL of a post that has a link to a | Youtube downloader. | | The list generally seems to be a collection of things that | range from the websites of Youtube downloaders and interfaces | to simply mentions of them, including a Wikipedia page about | Youtube downloaders and a Trustpilot page of reviews about a | website for one. | | Item 9, meanwhile, appears to be a completely unrelated | Soundcloud track that isn't even connected to the complaint | description, but appears to have the URL of a Youtube | downloader in the title. | supriyo-biswas wrote: | It's likely to be a link to an extension on the Chrome web | store and perhaps a similar download link on Facebook. | the-scrabi wrote: | Google accepted a DMCA request for the homepage of the Android | streaming app NewPipe. Its homepage newpipe.net has been removed | from Google search results if one searches for "newpipe". NewPipe | is an alternative privacy focused YouTube frontend, but also | supports other services like PeerTube, SoundCloud and Bandcamp. | atherton33 wrote: | The way the DMCA works, to my understanding, Google has to | accept the notice, unless NewPipe submits a counter notice, | which can be done here: | | https://support.google.com/legal/troubleshooter/1114905 | | Proceed as if reporting infringement, and the option will | appear to specify this is a counter report. | | If the reporter chooses to continue, the next step is with the | courts. | skissane wrote: | > Google has to accept the notice, unless NewPipe submits a | counter notice, | | They don't _have_ to accept it-they can choose to ignore or | reject it. However, if they choose to ignore /reject it, and | the notifier then sues them, they may lose one of their legal | defences. | | Obviously they decide that most of the time complying is the | legally less risky path, so most of the time they comply. | However, if they get a DMCA request for a famous website like | nytimes.com, they probably won't action it. | fweimer wrote: | I don't think counter notices apply to circumvention devices. | There is also no liability exemption for service providers. | [deleted] | wtallis wrote: | > I don't think counter notices apply to circumvention | devices. | | Right, because the DMCA takedown notice procedure as a | whole doesn't apply to circumvention devices, only to | content that is itself copyright infringement. | boomboomsubban wrote: | Exactly. The DRM circumvention parts of the DMCA specify | a court order is needed to stop a circumvention device. | dcow wrote: | Why isn't this higher up? This seems like the actual meat | of the discussion: Google is erroneously interpreting | this takedown request as something it's supposed to | comply with, when in fact it's not. Furthermore by | misinterpreting requirements here Google is harming the | public and newpipe. I wonder what newpipe's appeal (to | Google) process looks like... | world2vec wrote: | Any good equivalent to Newpipe for iOS? I'm using Video Lite so I | only get one ad when opening the app. I'd like to have | SponsorBlock like some Newpipe versions have and no ads at all. | r00t4ccess wrote: | I just use the brave browser on ios it blocks ads ootb | waxyalan wrote: | Yattee is worth checking out https://github.com/yattee/yattee | aeyes wrote: | uYouPlus (sideloading required) | | Works without a jailbreak, you just have to refresh the app | every 7 days but thats pretty much automated these days. | fryman wrote: | Safari extensions vinegar and sponsorblock. Youtube in safari | is a little janky compared to the app, but that's the best I've | found. | tohnjitor wrote: | NewPipe is excellent. I was disappointed that it was not | available for desktop until I discovered tartube which will | download video files from almost any website easily | dark-star wrote: | JDownloader, youtube-dl, yt-dlp and many others can also | download YouTube videos (and hundreds of other sites). Yes, the | last two are command line tools, but if you put them on your | desktop you can just drag&drop any YouTube-link on them and it | will download it for you | mrmuagi wrote: | Oh neat, looks like tartube is a GUI frontend for youtube-dl. | kim0 wrote: | Praying they don't touch Brave browser! Most of my YouTube is | thorough it these days. | hunter2_ wrote: | DMCA anti-circumvention provisions are regarding tools that | circumvent effective access controls. | | I realize that broken encryption is considered an effective | access control in this context despite it being broken, but apps | like Newpipe aren't even breaking encryption, right? | | What aspect of the YouTube servers' behavior can be construed as | an effective access control? Is there even a rudimentary secret, | that never gets served to clients typically but that apps like | Newpipe figured out? | | Unofficial cable TV descramblers are illegal despite simply | reconstructing the missing sync signal, but that's because they | facilitate theft of services that are normally paid. YouTube is | free. | NovemberWhiskey wrote: | Access to YouTube videos is only "authorized" through YouTube's | site and official apps (or yada yada), and YouTube videos are | copyrighted material. YouTube has technological measures to | ensure that you only watch YouTube videos that way. If you | circumvent those technology measures, that's prima facie a DMCA | violation, no? | | The definition of circumvention of a technology measure is | extremely broad including "to avoid, bypass, remove, | deactivate, or impair a technological measure". | | I'm pretty much of the opinion that the DMCA is a piece of crap | as a law, but it doesn't lack for breadth and generality in | those definitions. | AnthonyMouse wrote: | DMCA 1201 isn't just a crap law. It's completely unworkable, | as has been known since before it was passed. | | Suppose Bob is in the business of duplicating public domain | US government works. He downloads videos from the NASA | website, presses them onto DVDs and sells them on eBay. He | can do this without anybody's permission because DVDs are | from the mid-90s and the patents are expired. He uses the | same DVD format as Hollywood so people can watch them on | their existing DVD players, but he also makes a free DVD | player app for Linux so people can watch his DVDs or rip them | or do whatever they want because they're in the public | domain. It can also do the same with any other DVDs, because | it's the exact same format. Is Bob breaking the law? | | Now suppose Bob is a jerk who is doing this with public | domain works without providing anyone a way to exercise their | right to copy them, or doing it to enforce contractually | unlawful license terms or something like that. Is someone who | makes a tool to thwart Bob breaking the law? If so the law | could have (more) First Amendment problems, to say nothing of | the obvious unreasonableness. But if not then it's a | worthless law because anyone could use that as a | justification to break anything. Which it is regardless | because it has never been effective at suppressing the | availability circumvention tools, only at should-be- | impermissible abuses like prohibiting interoperability to | prop up existing monopolies. | | It's also notable that NASA publishes many videos on YouTube. | As in, only on YouTube. | hunter2_ wrote: | Sure, but I'm trying to grok the essence of the technological | measure being used by YouTube. | | I have to imagine that merely offering terms of service | doesn't constitute a technological measure, and nor would | merely slicing up the response in a DASH-like manner [0]. | | [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dynamic_Adaptive_Streaming_ | ove... | gjsman-1000 wrote: | Well... here's the dumb thing. The DASH-like manner (or, | "rolling cipher" as they like to call it) has currently | held up as being an effective protection measure. It comes | up all the time when RIAA in particular sues YouTube | stream-rippers. | | https://torrentfreak.com/deciphering-youtubes-rolling- | cypher... | JohnFen wrote: | > I realize that broken encryption is considered an effective | access control in this context despite it being broken, but | apps like Newpipe aren't even breaking encryption, right? | | Encryption isn't the only access control. "Access control" is a | pretty loose term. I think of it as being similar to what (in | the US) counts as "breaking" in a breaking-and-entering charge: | you've "broken into" a place if you had to move anything in | order to enter. Even a door that is partially ajar and you had | to slightly move it to slip by. | hunter2_ wrote: | I agree. But what is the thing being moved here, in technical | (rather than legal) terms? | JohnFen wrote: | I don't know in this particular piece of software. I'm just | saying that an "effective access control" can be something | very trivial. It doesn't have to be anything as | sophisticated as encryption. | | Just to speculate, it could be something like using the | user's login credentials. | awinter-py wrote: | incredibly useful product. pretty sure 'background play' is a | paid feature on default droid youtube[1]. newpipe does it out of | the box. I don't object to paying for youtube but I _do_ object | to them linking my watch activity to my account. guessing youtube | is constantly trying to kill this, just like ytdl, but for now | amazing work keeping it up | | 1. https://support.google.com/youtube/answer/7437614 | floomk wrote: | > guessing youtube is constantly trying to kill this, just like | ytdl, but for now amazing work keeping it up | | their lawyers are, but the developers certainly aren't. the og | youtube-dl hasn't released in 2 years and still works mostly | fine. | jeroenhd wrote: | All of this because they don't want you to download Guizmo - Dans | ma ruche (https://ssyoutube.com/en691rT/) | | Not the first time they've spammed DMCA takedowns either: | https://lumendatabase.org/faceted_search?sender_name=Because... | | In comically French fashion, their complaints also include the | same message in French just in case someone in Mountain View is | more fluent in French than in English. I wonder if this is just a | bunch of amateurs hired by the French label or if they actually | pay legal professionals to spam these. | simlevesque wrote: | Somebody drank too much Ballantine. | donmcronald wrote: | I'm pretty skeptical of stuff like that. To me, it looks like | they proxy the download for you, but that doesn't make sense | because there's no way they have the revenue to support that, | right? | | How does it work? Can someone explain it to me? | Jenk wrote: | > Dear ssyoutube.com User: As you may have heard, our industry | has been under strenuous attacks by certain GB copyright | holders. Because of these attacks, it has become financially | impractical for ssyoutube.com to continue to provide services | in the Great Britain. Accordingly, ssyoutube.com will be | terminating its services in the Great Britain as of November 3, | 2022. We thank you for your past loyalty and patronage and wish | you health and safety during the present health crisis and | beyond. Very truly yours, ssyoutube.com | | Well that's just awesome. | poplet wrote: | Google probably indexes 25% of the content available nowadays.... | I rarely use Google | talldatethrow wrote: | I just installed the app. Thanks Google. | hospitalJail wrote: | I learned about Fdroid because of something like this. | | Then I learned about Bromium(which is obsolete today, but was a | great browser with adblock support) | ransomewhere wrote: | You mean Bromite? | 4ggr0 wrote: | There a version of the NewPipe app which contains the | SponsorBlock plugin. I use it since months and can't watch | YouTube videos without it anymore. | dspillett wrote: | I block ads not because I'm completely anti-advert. I'm anti | being-stalked-through-my-entire-life-and-having-my-details- | sold-like-I'm-a-cheap-peice-of-meat, and unfortunately ATM | blocking that also means blocking most online adverts. | | So I draw the line before sponsorblock. At least the content | creators get a better cut of that than they get from YouTube | monetisation & youtube can't take it away from them as easily | at a whim, and those segments don't track me, and there is an | increased chance that the sponsor is relevant to what I'm | looking at (not what I clicked on days ago). One or two | channels even manage to make the sponsor segments | fractionally entertaining. | | I'm also anti irritating adverts of course, which does | include manually skipping _some_ sponsor segments or avoiding | channels that can be relied upon to be irritating in that | way. | yetanotherloss wrote: | I'm completely anti advert. They declared war on | civilization 20 years ago and don't deserve to be treated | as anything but a parasitic cultural disease. It didn't | have to be this way, but that's where they took us. | robertlagrant wrote: | As long as you avoid things that are paid for by ads, | there's no moral problem. | mcpackieh wrote: | We're under no moral obligation to play by their rules. | Read _Rules for Radicals_. | ktosobcy wrote: | If you use NewPipe then there is virtually no difference if | you view the sponsor part or not? | dcow wrote: | I agree with you in spirit. | | Here's a thought experiment, though: if you manually skip | sponsor segments every single time you watch a video by | dragging the scrubber, is that any different from having a | piece of software do as much for you, in an automated | fashion? | h4x0rr wrote: | Classic Streisand effect | mynameisash wrote: | Oh man, I'd never heard of NewPipe until now. I've literally | had it installed for three minutes, and I am amazed. I was | able to dial up a music video that I frequently listen to | without ads, I could immediately background the app, and even | turn off my screen while still listening. | supriyo-biswas wrote: | URL should refer to the original source, which is | https://lumendatabase.org/notices/34149383 | winterqt wrote: | I think this blog post by the Newpipe team is a fine link to | use to provide context + promote their CTA so people can help | them, no? | 2OEH8eoCRo0 wrote: | Isn't Google forced to comply with DMCA takedown requests | regardless of their legitimacy? | chris37879 wrote: | No, that's just how they've chosen to handle them to keep their | unofficial "safe harbor" status since net neutrality is dead. | 2OEH8eoCRo0 wrote: | Safe harbor is officially part of DMCA though where if you | are notified of infringing content and take it down you | aren't liable right? | | https://www.eff.org/issues/dmca | | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital_Millennium_Copyright_A. | .. | | > DMCA Title II, the Online Copyright Infringement Liability | Limitation Act ("OCILLA"), creates a safe harbor for online | service providers (OSPs, including ISPs) against copyright | infringement liability, provided they meet specific | requirements. | wtallis wrote: | The notice [0] says " _Kind of Work: Unspecified_ " and " | _Original URLs: No copyrighted URLs were submitted_ " so | the safe harbor provisions pertaining to copyright | infringement aren't really applicable here. | | [0] https://lumendatabase.org/notices/34149383 | gumby wrote: | It's still in Duck Duck Go. | kulahan wrote: | It's also still in Google if you search for a specific-enough | phrase. | | `newpipe site` brings it up as the first result | [deleted] ___________________________________________________________________ (page generated 2023-07-11 23:00 UTC)