[HN Gopher] Istanbul's blue tile paradise
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       Istanbul's blue tile paradise
        
       Author : keiferski
       Score  : 72 points
       Date   : 2023-07-12 10:39 UTC (12 hours ago)
        
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       | DrJokepu wrote:
       | Interesting thing about these tiles: the earliest ones were
       | trying to imitate tiles from China, but Ottoman artisans didn't
       | have access to the same dyes, which is why they have this
       | distinctive blue color.
        
       | sithadmin wrote:
       | The Rustem Pasha mosque is truly a gem, and much less frequently
       | trafficked than many other tourist-destination mosques. I always
       | advise people visiting Istanbul to stop in, but almost feel bad
       | about it because too much traffic would sort of kill its 'hole in
       | the wall' charm.
        
       | arbuge wrote:
       | Traditional handmade Maltese tiles, believed to be inspired by
       | the Turkish ones, might also be of interest in this context.
       | 
       | Wikipedia doesn't have an entry but Googling gets you some good
       | pictures.
        
       | fatihpense wrote:
       | A bit tangential, but while choosing a logo idea for Rust
       | Istanbul community, I went with something that resembles blue
       | tile tulip motif. As another commenter noted there are so many
       | objects/animals/historical artifacts to choose from...
       | 
       | https://rustistanbul.org/
       | 
       | If you are a Rust developer and planning to visit Istanbul let us
       | know! (We know good kebap/baklava places ;) )
        
       | thriftwy wrote:
       | Saint Petersburg mosque is decorated with blue tiles on its
       | exterior. It is also built in Art Nouveau style. Local Buddhist
       | temple also got built in it, though.
        
       | earino wrote:
       | I was in Istanbul recently, and what surprised me was the
       | absolute depth of the cities attractions. I stayed in the Kadikoy
       | and Sultanahmet districts, and it was so incredible to walk
       | through a society which had been Monkey Patched through
       | millennia. The runtime behavior of the objects, streets,
       | buildings and the city had been adapted time and time again.
       | Roman temples becoming Churches becoming Mosques becoming
       | Museums, sometimes simply with some new tiles or a freshly laid
       | down carpet. Each layer rich in artifacts. My favorite attraction
       | was the Great Palace Mosaics Museum, some of the most detailed
       | and vibrant mosaics I had ever seen. I hope to return soon.
        
         | mkoubaa wrote:
         | "the runtime behavior of the objects" took me from Istanbul
         | right back to my day job which I thought I was taking a break
         | from on HN
        
           | Lacerda69 wrote:
           | You can take a break but you can never leave
        
         | mrtksn wrote:
         | Istanbul is in the same league with London, Paris, Rome and
         | probably nothing else.
         | 
         | Not only the endless layers of multi-millennial history, even
         | the current state of the inhabitants is extremely diverse. It's
         | also surprisingly safe.
         | 
         | IMHO the city got ruined in so many ways during the Turkish
         | economic boom the last 5 decades and yet you can tell that the
         | city "still got it". In your runtime analogy, the current state
         | of the modern istanbul is like everything new being like
         | bloated Electron app.
         | 
         | The current mayor is from the secular Turks with western values
         | and he is doing some great things to reduce the bloatware and
         | re-surface the hidden gems through full rewrites.
         | 
         | But sometimes he encounters unexpected behaviour. Just
         | recently, he converted Feshane(old factory where they used to
         | produce Fez style hats during the Ottoman times) into an art
         | gallery but due to some undocumented API the islamist started
         | protesting him for not respecting their values.
         | 
         | Here is the Feshane after the conversion:
         | https://twitter.com/ekrem_imamoglu/status/167157892814888143...
         | 
         | Here is the protest:
         | https://twitter.com/tcbuyuksehir/status/1678147852453683206
         | 
         | Note: Before the conversion, Feshane was used for food markets
         | and such.
        
           | objektif wrote:
           | You are doing Istanbul and Rome a disservice by putting them
           | in the same league with London and Paris.
        
             | ChainOfFools wrote:
             | Seconding this, these cities have a rich history but it's
             | hardly a footnote compared to the chronology baked in to
             | the stratigraphy of Rome and even more so, Istanbul. The
             | latter city bridges two continents, and it shows it and
             | feels it in every respect.
             | 
             | plus, cats. In what city can you double your entertainment
             | just by carrying a small laser pointer with you everywhere.
        
               | objektif wrote:
               | Istanbul is an incredibly complex city with endless
               | things to do. However, it is just that I have never had
               | this feeling of being in an ancient metropolis in any
               | other city other than Istanbul. It may be the huge
               | mosques on the hills combined with the natural beauty of
               | the Bosphorus strait.
        
           | goodbyesf wrote:
           | > Istanbul is in the same league with London, Paris, Rome
           | 
           | London and Paris do not belong on that list. Rome is on
           | another level. Paris and London are a few levels below
           | somewhere. Heck I'd say istanbul is a level above rome since
           | the turks added onto constantinople and added a richness and
           | extra layer that rome never got. Not to mention that the
           | eastern roman empire was far more impressive that than the
           | western roman empire.
           | 
           | > and probably nothing else.
           | 
           | No, it is in the same league with many of the ancient cities
           | in the region and elsewhere around the world. Cities tend to
           | be built on top of each other not just today but throughout
           | history.
           | 
           | > the islamist started protesting him for not respecting
           | their values.
           | 
           | Good. Considering turkey isn't a western nation, why should
           | their mayor peddle 'western values' as you stated. Last I
           | checked, turkey is a muslim turkic nation and lets hope they
           | hold onto their values.
        
             | mrtksn wrote:
             | Turkey is not a muslim turkic nation at all, Turkey is an
             | ethnically diverse nation where almost all the population
             | claims to be muslims but they all practice at different
             | levels and the devote muslims are a small minority of the
             | population. The country itself is the legacy of the Ottoman
             | empire which was partly in Europe for centuries, thus was
             | influenced by western values for hundreds of years already.
             | 
             | Also, an old hat factory which was used as a market is not
             | something islamic. The mayor wasn't paddling any western
             | values to islamists, the mayor was elected by the popular
             | vote and he is still very popular. He does what the
             | electorate demands and significant portion of the
             | electorate demands art galleries.
             | 
             | I think you need to update your understanding of Turkey,
             | it's very lacking and almost offensively shallow. Are you
             | taking any red pills by any chance? Anyway, don't form your
             | opinions from James Bond movies.
        
         | cpursley wrote:
         | It was blown away by Istanbul. Highly recommend that city.
        
       | Qahlel wrote:
       | I recently visited Istanbul as well. Too my surprise, I ate the
       | best burger I had in my lifetime. It was a smash burger joint in
       | Emirgan district. Forgot the name. but remember finding it on
       | google maps. Give it a try if you are passing by.
        
         | fsniper wrote:
         | In Istanbul you can possibly find best examples of many if not
         | all of international cousines. It is a city for the all types
         | of foodies.
        
           | objektif wrote:
           | I would definitely disagree with this. Apart from Turkish
           | food you will probably only find good American, French and
           | Italian ( may be few more) food in Turkiye.
           | 
           | But the good news is you really do not need anything other
           | that Turkish food because it is just amazing.
        
             | treesciencebot wrote:
             | Especially true for south / far-east Asian cuisines. Unlike
             | many other major western metropolises, Istanbul simply
             | lacks any authentic chinese, indian, vietnamese or japanese
             | places. I wish (as a resident) we had more exposure to
             | those cultures through better / relaxed immigration
             | policies in the past.
        
             | m00dy wrote:
             | that's right. Turkish food is the best one Ive experienced
             | so far.
        
       | luuurker wrote:
       | You'll find similar tiles in Portugal, usually inside old
       | churches. Probably not exactly the same, but similar style at
       | least.
        
       | pirate787 wrote:
       | The Hagia Sophia "mosque" was a Christian orthodox church that
       | dates from Roman times and was a secular museum from the 1930s
       | until 2020. That decision to reclassify as a mosque is widely
       | condemned by historians and others.
        
         | resolutebat wrote:
         | It was an actual scare quote free mosque from 1453 to 1934, so
         | if anything the secular museum phase was out of character.
        
         | ChainOfFools wrote:
         | They will never fully convert back to a mosque, absolutely no
         | way they want the loss of tourism that will result from making
         | probably the most iconic draw for tourism to the city a place
         | that isn't open to the public in all respects.
         | 
         | Last time I was there a few years ago I recall there's a small
         | section near one of the lower galleries off to the side that
         | has been reopened for use as a sort-of-mosque but it's the size
         | of a couple double wide trailers and not really part of the
         | main structure as people think of it. It might be a test of the
         | waters to see how far they can go but I promise you, money will
         | trump religion in this case no question about it.
        
           | njpwerner wrote:
           | They have changed it since you last visited. It is now
           | primarily used as a mosque instead of a museum. The old
           | floors have been covered by a carpet and it hosts several
           | prayers a day.
           | 
           | https://www.dailysabah.com/turkey/istanbul/istanbuls-
           | reverte...
        
           | twelve40 wrote:
           | the floor is now covered, the upper levels are closed off to
           | visitors. it seems to be working just like any other mosque,
           | which you can also visit (like the one in the article, for
           | example)
        
         | nashashmi wrote:
         | A tidbit info: Today's Hagia Sophia is version three of the
         | original church. The original was made of wood and burned down.
         | The second version was of stone and collapsed in an earthquake.
         | The third version took 20+ years to build.
         | 
         | Another tidbit: Hagia Sophia can be translated to english as
         | Saint Sofia. It is pronounced in Turkish as Aya Sofia. Aya is
         | from an arabic word that means "sign" like sign of god (similar
         | to "aya"-tullah in Iran). The similarity between "Hagia" and
         | "Aya" is so strong as though it follows the concept of changing
         | the "j" sound to "h" or "y" sound. When applying that same rule
         | to "Ayatollah", you could basically translate the word to
         | "Saint of God". Every time I think of this, it gives me the
         | jitters.
        
       | pazimzadeh wrote:
       | > What makes the mosque truly special, however, isn't simply that
       | it's hidden. It is the balance between its understated view from
       | the street and an extravagant, richly adorned interior
       | 
       | This is the exact same feeling you get when visiting Iran. Except
       | for Isfahan, which is also beautiful on the outside
        
       | m00dy wrote:
       | Just got back from Istanbul and let me tell you, the city's
       | attractions blew me away! I stayed in Kadikoy and Sultanahmet,
       | and it was mind-blowing to walk around a place that has seen so
       | many changes throughout history. I mean, we're talking Roman
       | temples turned into churches, then mosques, and now some cool
       | museums. They just keep adding new stuff like tiles and carpets,
       | giving the city a whole new vibe each time. And the best part?
       | The Great Palace Mosaics Museum! Seriously, those mosaics were
       | next level--so detailed and vibrant. I'm already planning my next
       | trip back. Istanbul, you've got me hooked!
        
         | egello wrote:
         | Is this a paraphrased copy of the top comment on the page or am
         | I tripping?
        
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