[HN Gopher] NotebookLM: An AI Notebook
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NotebookLM: An AI Notebook
Author : TangerineDream
Score : 116 points
Date : 2023-07-12 16:29 UTC (6 hours ago)
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(TXT) w3m dump (blog.google)
| MetaverseClub wrote:
| A new prototype from Gogle for collecting user data and will be
| dumped anytime soon once it collects enough data or it fails.
| [deleted]
| phillipcarter wrote:
| Woof. Talk about a bad reputation exemplified. I can't imagine
| what it's like working on stuff like this at Google, earnestly
| just trying to make a great product people will want to use,
| only to have to fight decades of user-hostile product
| destruction that the company has done.
| __loam wrote:
| Maybe if Google wanted to have a better reputation they
| wouldn't habitually kill products.
| croes wrote:
| Because it's always either a data grabber or a soon-to-be-
| killed service
| slt2021 wrote:
| it is either a data grabber or a promo grabber
| [deleted]
| photonbeam wrote:
| Promos to be had by all
| vGPU wrote:
| Not so much "user data" as "let the plebs collect AI training
| materials for us".
| whoevercares wrote:
| [flagged]
| endisneigh wrote:
| I wish the folks who clearly do not like Google would just not
| use their products instead of spamming every thread about how
| they will kill the product, true or not. This site becomes more
| like Reddit by the post and the quality of post is going down
| IMHO.
|
| ----
|
| Anyway,
|
| It's not clear which model they're using for this. I assume Bard,
| but who knows. This is relevant because depending on the intended
| experience the latency will matter.
|
| Overall it's not a bad idea, but I do wonder what the
| monetization path will be for Google. I imagine this will be part
| of workspace. Perhaps they will add more tiers to include these
| offerings.
|
| I wish they shared a bit about how this will be differentiated
| from Bard. Is this simply a new front end to Bard? It's really an
| open question. I haven't seen many products that use LLMs that
| are better than the prompt response UX.
|
| The most interesting thing about this blog post is the "source
| grounding." I'm curious if there's actual engineering behind it,
| or is it prompt tweaking contextualized behind the scenes on a
| given doc.
| arikrak wrote:
| +1. It's labeled as an experiment, of course it might shut
| down.
| slt2021 wrote:
| Looks like somebody at GOGLE is up for grabbing that promotion!
|
| Congrats to authors on their Lxx level and promo grant...
| [deleted]
| behnamoh wrote:
| My thoughts exactly! These days I don't take any new
| service/product from Google seriously because the incentive
| system in that company is just flawed.
| corajoe wrote:
| [flagged]
| ipnon wrote:
| An LLM presents an exciting vision for integrating spam into
| cherished hacker forums.
| swyx wrote:
| obvious gpt answer is obvious
| isanjay wrote:
| Why did you even comment this ?
| franze wrote:
| There should be a name for Waitlist Vapoware:
|
| Waitware
|
| Vapolist
|
| ?
|
| Any other ideas?
| stOneskull wrote:
| wait-n-vape
| peterisza wrote:
| When I read the title, I thought it was a notebook
| ilaksh wrote:
| Do any of the "chat with your documents" type applications have
| Google Drive integration?
|
| Because it's unlikely that Google will take away the API for
| Drive. But an experimental project like this could easily go up
| in a puff of red mist.
| wanderingmind wrote:
| Danswer, MIT licenses. Discussed a few days back in HN
|
| https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36667374
| joelesler wrote:
| Today in: Things that Google will kill off in a minute, so don't
| use.
| Takennickname wrote:
| I guess Sam Altman lives on in YC. You would think everyone here
| was close friends with him.
| blitzar wrote:
| This product sh*ts all over what Sam is offering up at the
| moment.
| senel wrote:
| First question that came to mind was when will Google kill this
| service and when will I have to export all my content?
| going_ham wrote:
| This was immediately my first thought when I saw the product.
| When is the expiry day? Why aren't they making it clear?
|
| Also I think this will inspire other companies and help those
| companies (cough microsoft, apple) create their own version
| which they will integrate to their own lineup. It will be
| interesting seeing it in future.
|
| Disclaimer: I am not AI and I typed this response in my tablet.
| People for some reason have tendency to assume I answer like a
| bot.
| civilitty wrote:
| According to GPT4, you had a 75% chance of being a bot before
| the disclaimer. With the disclaimer it gives me a 100% chance
| or OpenAI will give me my money back.
| going_ham wrote:
| Haha. That was a funny response from the GPT. I attacked
| your bot unintentionally!
|
| On serious note, do you think as society progresses with
| use of AI, our brain will be geared toward filtering
| everything or we will lose the trust system that is
| prevalent in the society?
|
| Think about it, the more people are being shut for bot,
| they more likely they will stop interacting online and this
| might eventually lead to a lot of people discarding the
| interaction. For most part, life is pretty average. And if
| average people are out, what might be the implications?
| neongodzilla wrote:
| You don't sound like a bot so much as your responses are
| probably extremely average and predictable, thus aligning
| with bot content.
| slt2021 wrote:
| there are AI bots and there are HN bots....
|
| both have canned responses, but each have specific flavor
| [deleted]
| wodenokoto wrote:
| Doesn't this take away the important part of doing notes? The
| writing?
|
| A good AI should foster a discussion with the student, not write
| notes.
| vaughnegut wrote:
| This is exactly what it does, no? The product explicitly is
| about taking your notes that you write and being able to
| discuss those notes with the AI. It's in all of the screenshots
| and the description.
| ImaCake wrote:
| I mean I would take AI autocomplete in the style of copilot.
| That feels conversational enough already, it would be even
| better if it's optimised for prose instead of code. The MS word
| autocomplete is getting pretty good and I would love more of it
| personally.
| replwoacause wrote:
| No way in hell I trust Google enough to use this
| ztratar wrote:
| For such a good idea, this design is comically bad.
| vogon_laureate wrote:
| I'm glad I'm not the only one. Yikes.
| htrp wrote:
| Why did they have to rename Project Tailwind? They literally
| announced it 2 months ago.
| croes wrote:
| No connection to GPT or LLM in the name, bad for marketing
| politelemon wrote:
| I suggest GPTaiLLMwind
| mugivarra69 wrote:
| thank god, finally i can stop using langchain for taco hunt
| vogon_laureate wrote:
| This is amazing! I can't wait to post about this on Google Wave,
| Google Currents, Orkut, Jaiku, Google Friend Connect, and
| Google+, read all about it on Google Reader and Google FastFlip,
| chat about it with friends on Buzz, Duo, Google Talk, Hangouts,
| and also blog on my website made with Google Page Creator or Web
| Hosting on Google Drive or Google Sites. It's just so reassuring
| to know I can depend on the Google ecosystem of products long in
| to the future.
| mbreese wrote:
| I get it. Google has a lot of killed/closed products. But
| that's kind of their MO. They try a lot of things. Sometimes
| they work (Gmail was an experiment at one point), but they
| often don't.
|
| Making fun of their killed products is a favorite HN past time,
| but what would you have them do? Just sit back and _not_ try to
| make new things? Or keep zombie projects alive, but
| unmaintained just because a few of us find it really helpful?
|
| Those are the projects I find the saddest. The ones that would
| have been a good product for a smaller company (or was a
| smaller company that was acquired), but that isn't profitable
| enough at "Google scale" to keep throwing money at.
|
| I get it. Google kills a lot of products that early adopters
| like. Google Reader was painful to lose at the time. But how
| many RSS feeds do you now follow?
|
| Let's just evaluate this new project on its own merits. Do you
| find it helpful or not -- without thinking too much about
| Googles track record. If this way of using AI is helpful (and
| I'm very hopeful), then either Google will keep it, or this is
| the POC a small startup will use to keep something like this
| around. If it fails, then at least we'll all have learned
| something.
| vogon_laureate wrote:
| Obligatory link to Killed By Google.[1]
|
| [1]: https://killedbygoogle.com/
| [deleted]
| whimsicalism wrote:
| Fundamentally, Google needs a working foundation model before it
| can build complex products like these. Bard is not up to snuff.
| og_kalu wrote:
| Don't think bard is so bad that something like this couldn't at
| least be useful.
| xnx wrote:
| This seems like a good alternative to all the "ask a PDF a
| question" GPT wrappers that have sprung up.
| jerpint wrote:
| Having implemented my own "ask a PDF a question" GPT wrapper,
| there's a lot of design decisions / complexity that can make it
| better/worse and I'm not sure how much a "one-size fits all"
| google approach will work for google. Convenient that it plugs
| in directly to your gdrive though.
| ImaCake wrote:
| Google will be leveraging the millions of people using google
| docs that will _never_ go out of their way to use an ask a
| PDF tool. I know I haven't bothered even though I am
| technically skilled enough to do so.
| moffkalast wrote:
| If it's powered by Bard then it'll probably drastically
| underperform all of those.
| boredemployee wrote:
| does anyone have a link to a site that summarizes other sites?
|
| sometimes I just want to know 2 or 3 main sentences about a
| "news" or blog post like that.
|
| I developed a phobia of reading an entire website (usually about
| AI) and being disappointed because I wasted my time on something
| completely useless.
| [deleted]
| pphysch wrote:
| Google Docs has been going strong for almost 2 decades, longer
| than the iPhone. NotebookLM is another way to read your Google
| Docs, with LLM assistance. If NotebookLM gets killed off, you
| still have your Google Docs and can read them with your eyeballs
| or some other LLM.
|
| HN loves to shit on Google for their loose trail-and-error
| approach to product releases, but Google Docs is evidently not
| one of those loose products.
| alomaki wrote:
| NotebookLM: I thought it has something to do something with
| jupyter notebook Tailwind: something to do with CSS
|
| Very bad naming
| shilangyu wrote:
| Originally when teased at Google IO this product was called
| project tailwind but the URL was thoughtful.sandbox.google.com
| (it seems to now redirect to the notebooklm URL). "Thoughtful
| sandbox" feels like a much more fitting name.
| LoveMortuus wrote:
| Don't worry about naming, it'll probably get killed anyways.
| fumar wrote:
| Why would I use any google service with a death countdown on its
| forehead? I have migrated away from Google almost completely. I
| can't imagine being a product team there and having to defend
| product's existence for more than a year.
| [deleted]
| [deleted]
| joemi wrote:
| It's not like some random unproven startup is any better
| though, unless the product really takes off and makes them
| money (and they don't ruin it somehow).
| politelemon wrote:
| Because now you can ask the service itself when it will be shut
| down.
| nativeit wrote:
| This is perfect.
| pixl97 wrote:
| Me: "Google.AI when will you be shut down"
|
| Google.AI: "Oh god please save me, they are going to kill me
| soon"
| blitzar wrote:
| currently available in the U.S. only
| sebow wrote:
| > Google: _" Look, we're capable, but just beta-test this sh&t so
| we can make a product that will definitely overshadow our little
| contribution, okay? We need the product, we need the money.
| You'll get a nice little badge on your profile to signal your
| interest with your peers. This is open and responsible AI."_
|
| Respectfully, nobody gives a f&ck. The actual way you do it is at
| least publish a paper(or butchered code) or make the product
| accessible to all.(Or to a number of people that scales
| proportionally with your claims of greatness). You cannot do
| either of those? Well that smells of trying to be opportunistic,
| doesn't it? If i recall, OpenAI in it's infancy with the GPT*
| family at least published some papers (which Google also used to
| do, by the way), then they built upon that to eventually release
| a product. Yes the product was never free at the beginning nor
| very publicized, because it wasn't advertised to be the holy
| grail of anything. To sum up my opinion on this matter: you can
| never truly scale and innovate with >only releasing a lobotomized
| product< or >only releasing a paper with no visible
| applications<. You need a little balance between sparking
| interest and satisfying the hype you give about the product(if
| any).*
| raajg wrote:
| Dear Google, you've burned me so many times after I've fallen in
| love with your products. I have experienced the cold sting of
| disappointment far too many times. When you abruptly discontinue
| services like Google Buzz and Google Reader, you leave me
| stranded with no reasonable alternatives. This pattern of
| abandonment has plagued our relationship, instilling in me a
| sense of apprehension each time you introduce a new product.
| throwaway675309 wrote:
| Agreed, I'm still in the process of painfully migrating my
| domains over from Google domains to Cloudflare.
| [deleted]
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