[HN Gopher] Mega-dose vitamin C in treatment of the common cold ...
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       Mega-dose vitamin C in treatment of the common cold (2001)
        
       Author : jacquesm
       Score  : 53 points
       Date   : 2023-07-15 21:44 UTC (1 hours ago)
        
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       | radicalace wrote:
       | vitamin c is overlooked. its a potent antioxidant. ingesting
       | enough antioxidant is going to have some of of effect
       | biochemically.
        
         | meepmorp wrote:
         | Ingesting enough of any chemical will have an effect on your
         | biochemistry.
        
       | DoreenMichele wrote:
       | Yeah, I don't even know where this "vitamin C for colds" thing
       | even came from. It's never made sense to me.
        
         | mihaitodor wrote:
         | Linus Pauling, AFAIK:
         | https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2013/07/the-vitam...
         | His theory has been debunked over and over...
        
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       | hombre_fatal wrote:
       | Vitamin C is hard to be deficient in, so it's no surprise that
       | nobody needs it. It's why multivitamins look bad in research:
       | it's unethical to craft a study where people are deficient, so
       | you're just comparing cohorts of non deficient people.
        
         | LinuxBender wrote:
         | It probably also does not help that the studies are done using
         | a synthetic ascorbic acid that has the wrong pH levels. So we
         | need a large number of deficient people and to feed them a lot
         | of raw guava or raw sweet red peppers.
         | 
         | I know where to find deficient people but doubt we would be
         | allowed to experiment on them even if it meant free food.
        
       | wswope wrote:
       | To give some context around the history of vitamin C research,
       | the whole idea of megadose vitamin C as an immune system
       | booster/cure for the common cold/cure for cancer was more or less
       | pushed by a single figure: Linus Pauling.
       | 
       | He was an extremely influential and successful 20th-century
       | chemist, who earned both a Nobel Prize in Chemistry and a Nobel
       | Peace Prize. In his late 60s, he became interested in
       | "orthomolecular medicine" (the theory of making people thrive
       | through some imagined perfect balance of vitamins), and became an
       | advocate for megadose vitamin C therapy.
       | 
       | He used his influence to set up some respectable large-scale
       | trials on the subject, but when they failed to find substantial
       | effects, Pauling basically doubled-down in his beliefs, and spent
       | the rest of his life regarded as a minor quack.
        
         | mjklin wrote:
         | Nobel disease!
         | 
         | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nobel_disease
        
           | DoreenMichele wrote:
           | _It has been argued that the effect results, in part, from a
           | tendency for Nobel winners to feel empowered by the award to
           | speak on topics outside their specific area of expertise,
           | although it is unknown whether Nobel Prize winners are more
           | prone to this tendency than other individuals._
           | 
           | I moderated a list for parents of gifted kids at one time.
           | Bright kids tend to have bright parents, so most of these
           | people were used to being the smartest person in the room and
           | most of them defaulted to assuming that if you disagreed with
           | them, you were basically "just stupid."
           | 
           | It was really challenging at first to get people to assume
           | the other person was also smart and likely had good reasons
           | for having drawn different conclusions.
        
       | trillic wrote:
       | After a long pacific crossing with no fruit onboard, I'd highly
       | advise all pirates to megadose Vitamin C.
        
       | worik wrote:
       | Look! There's a duck!!
        
       | binkHN wrote:
       | This is this from 2001.
        
         | foobarbecue wrote:
         | It seems like HN has stopped adding the year to articles
         | lately? Is this a change of policy?
        
           | morelisp wrote:
           | HN moderators too busy manning the new NW quadrasphere
           | Worldcoin booths.
        
           | dang wrote:
           | Not at all! but the years get added manually, either by
           | submitters or moderators.
           | 
           | What submissions did you see that needed a year but didn't
           | get one?
        
         | dang wrote:
         | Added. Thanks!
        
       | NtochkaNzvanova wrote:
       | [flagged]
        
         | gary_0 wrote:
         | /newest is low-traffic enough that plenty of people hang out
         | there, and there are no downvotes.
        
         | DamonHD wrote:
         | I read it. The abstract seemed commendably clear.
         | 
         | A folk rememdy doesn't pass muster, so easy to save money and
         | not bother for my next cold.
        
         | Netcob wrote:
         | I could see it being a pet peeve of many.
        
       | water9 wrote:
       | Next thing you know big Pharma is gonna call it horse medicine
        
         | kadoban wrote:
         | Considering it doesn't do shit for the intended purpose here,
         | seems like a good parallel I guess.
        
       | JumpCrisscross wrote:
       | "Doses of vitamin C in excess of 1 g daily taken shortly after
       | onset of a cold did not reduce the duration or severity of cold
       | symptoms in healthy adult volunteers when compared with a vitamin
       | C dose less than the minimum recommended daily intake."
       | 
       | Double blind, N = 400, and the placebo came out insignificantly
       | ahead.
        
       | halotrope wrote:
       | I'm taking around 100g a week for the last month. Seems to have
       | helped with some things without any adverse effects
        
         | simmerup wrote:
         | Aside from the fact that the study showed no improvement after
         | Vitamin C dosage, you should be careful at that dose in regards
         | to kidney stone formation. Worth staying very hydrated
        
         | dehrmann wrote:
         | It does amazing things for scurvy.
        
         | mistrial9 wrote:
         | it is possible that the human body makes an adjustment to
         | repeated large doses of Vitamin C, and simply excretes more and
         | absorbs less material. If the dose stops abruptly, it would
         | take some days for this simple filtering to reverse itself.
         | IANAD
        
         | tekla wrote:
         | I do the same with mercury. It has been working well
        
           | DoreenMichele wrote:
           | I really, really hope this is sarcasm.
        
         | hombre_fatal wrote:
         | The RDA is 90mg and trivial to hit with fruit. If you're
         | getting 100g a week from supplements I'd start worrying about
         | contaminant/adulteration risk beyond wasting your money.
        
         | CodeBeater wrote:
         | If you don't mind me asking, what things did it help you with?
        
           | dingdingdang wrote:
           | Count me in. Additionally I don't personally approve of
           | commentators being downvoted for doing something that falls
           | outside the predominant opinion expressed within a thread. Go
           | ahead and post juxtapositional stuff, it's healthy!
        
       | pilotInPyjamas wrote:
       | I recommend that people look for a meta analysis instead of
       | individual trials when searching for medical research. Whilst
       | randomized controlled trials are excellent, the sample size is
       | often quite small. A meta analysis avoids this problem by
       | combining the results of many trials together.
       | 
       | For example, this analysis:
       | https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/23440782/ finds that whilst the
       | general population probably finds no benefit to Vit C, people who
       | were "exposed to brief periods of severe physical exercise" did.
       | Note that this meta analysis contains 11,000 participants, far
       | more than the 400 in the original article.
        
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