[HN Gopher] For BSD Unix, It's Sayonara (1992) ___________________________________________________________________ For BSD Unix, It's Sayonara (1992) Author : operator-name Score : 77 points Date : 2023-07-21 18:22 UTC (4 hours ago) (HTM) web link (www.tech-insider.org) (TXT) w3m dump (www.tech-insider.org) | stan1234 wrote: | [dead] | CodeCompost wrote: | I don't know what it is about the BSD's. I just keep getting | drawn to them, and I don't even use them personally or | professionally. | | I think it's because they are complete operating systems with | their own user-land and complete documentation. Plus the fact | that BSD users get excited about little things like when an extra | command line switch or a new filesystem flag. All this meticulous | attention to detail... | LeFantome wrote: | Try Chimera | parlortricks wrote: | This is me as well, im excited to know there is a whole | solution in one. Ive run them here and there to experiment, but | for my needs i still use Debian. I feel Debian gives me some of | the BSD vibe, but i still enjoy reading about all the new | features the BSDs bring each release. Hope one day they catch | up to what my linux box does, so i can enjoy it more. | drewg123 wrote: | Not according to the computer I'm typing this on, 31 years later | :) | | FWIW, Klara has a good series on the history of FreeBSD: | | https://klarasystems.com/articles/history-of-freebsd-unix-an... | | https://klarasystems.com/articles/history-of-freebsd-part-2-... | | https://klarasystems.com/articles/history-of-freebsd-part-3-... | | https://klarasystems.com/articles/history-of-freebsd-part-4-... | 9front wrote: | The article is about BSD Unix which had a final release in June | of 1995. So BSD is sayonara! | | Long live FreeBSD, OpenBSD and NetBSD, the stepchild(s) of BSD. | voytec wrote: | Nevertheless, it shows an interesting crossroads moment in | the BSD history and uncertainty of it's future. | | > There are still options to secure BSD code, with one | company, Berkeley Software Design (Falls Church, Va.), a | company employing former Berkeley programmer Mike Karels, | planning to offer a commercial version of Unix for SPARC | systems based on the 4.4BSD code but free of AT&T source | licensing requirements. It currently offers BSD/386, a | version of Unix for 386 machines based on the Berkeley NET2 | release. | | (commented from a laptop running FreeBSD 14.0-CURRENT;) | DonHopkins wrote: | Does it still have that classic Berkeley smell? | | "It was a matter of their taking it in and peeing on it | until it smelled like Berkeley." | inferiorhuman wrote: | Ah, I was looking at the history of BSDi (nee Berkeley | Software Design). Turns out BSD/OS was killed off by Wind | River in 2003? I didn't realize it had lasted so long. Nor | did I realize BSD/OS had such strong market share in '95. | | (commented from a laptop building an osx -> dragonfly cross | compiler) | Paul-Craft wrote: | Don't forget Darwin, the step-grandchild of BSD. It might not | be as free as FreeBSD, OpenBSD, and NetBSD, but it'd be hard | to argue it's not as important. | slavapestov wrote: | "The Design and Implementation of the 4.4BSD Operating System" is | a classic: https://www.amazon.com/Implementation-Operating- | paperback-Ad... | assimpleaspossi wrote: | Don't forget the newer, updated versions, the last release just | a few years ago. | shon wrote: | Ahem... Darwin. Because of Darwin (iOS) and its derivatives, BSD | probably powers 10-20% or more of all daily user hours logged on | the planet. | yuhong wrote: | [dead] | InTheArena wrote: | It's neat to start reading and immediately run into professor Evi | Nemeth being quoted. I TA"d for her a few year later, and it was | axiomatic in her labs that BSD Unix was the only true Unix, that | slowaris was a abomination and ATM was the worst network protocol | ever devised. | | We eventually got her onto this new Linux thing.. | rootbear wrote: | I always attended her talks at Usenix. I'm still sad about her | loss. | kazinator wrote: | I recognize her as one of the authors of the _Unix System | Adminstrator 's Handbook_. | | Re: ATM: https://books.google.ca/books?id=uAblPu1lpqIC&pg=PA130 | gwright wrote: | > ATM was the worst network protocol ever devised | | Having 53 byte payloads is something only a committee could | love. | matthiasl wrote: | ATM cells have 48 byte payloads. | | Supposedly that was because different groups involved in the | standardisation process wanted either 32 or 64 byte payloads. | marcus0x62 wrote: | Supposedly it was the largest size the French contingent to | the standards committee would accept. They wanted a very | small sample size to reduce the need for echo cancellation | in their network. | chungy wrote: | That's definitely a "split the baby down the middle" kind | of solution. | Paul-Craft wrote: | More like a "fuck all you guys, I'm going home" kind of | solution, if you ask me. | p_l wrote: | Still better than 193 bit frames | marcus0x62 wrote: | I assume that's a T1 dig? It worked quite well for the | intended purpose - carrying voice traffic. | InTheArena wrote: | yeah. 53 bytes was the total packet size, not the payload | size. But oh hey! lets pick a large prime number for the | number of bytes that a payload could be transmitted in. Lets | also pick a small prime number of bytes so we can't do byte | boundaries. | | Needless to say, I am glad that TCP/IP won. Moving on. | [deleted] | Paul-Craft wrote: | Funny. This reminded me of the old saying "Two of the most famous | products to come out of Berkeley are BSD and LSD." Turns out, as | a tech person, I'm (very) tangentially involved with BSD and my | landlord was pretty deeply involved with LSD decades ago. ;) | bitwize wrote: | It's not over till Netcraft confirms it. | tiffanyh wrote: | Whatever happened to the old Netcraft site where I type in a | url and it'd tell you what OS, webhost, webserver, etc it ran. | | Netcraft seems all corporate now. | toast0 wrote: | Security checklists. | Sylamore wrote: | Throwback to my slashdot sig: To misquote Churchill, never has | an operating system (FreeBSD) used by so many been administered | by so few. - NetCraft | baz00 wrote: | So basically it's an anti-Kubernetes? | kstrauser wrote: | Clap. Clap. Clap. | jakedata wrote: | So it goes. | kstrauser wrote: | Eh. _I_ thought it was funny, anyway! | bitwize wrote: | Good, that's still working. | kstrauser wrote: | I, for one, welcome our Slashdot-era meme overlords. | vondur wrote: | Wow forgot about that, How many times did the Slashdot trolls | have the "BSD Is Dying" posts over the years? | kstrauser wrote: | I bet that continues, but I don't want to be the one to | investigate. | zitterbewegung wrote: | Yea it's strange that right now we have four direct derivatives | (OpenBSD, FreeBSD ,NetBSD and DragonflyBSD) and an combination of | OSF Mach 4 and FreeBSD which has Billions of users (macOS ,iOS) | declan_roberts wrote: | Given Apple's market share, BSD is actually extremely popular! | [deleted] ___________________________________________________________________ (page generated 2023-07-21 23:00 UTC)