[HN Gopher] Zaum
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Zaum
Author : areoform
Score : 81 points
Date : 2023-08-18 16:41 UTC (6 hours ago)
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| riffraff wrote:
| I am surprised zaum, as a Futurism derivation, "cannot contain
| any onomatopoeia". Probably the most famous poem by Marinetti is
| "Zang Tumb Tumb"[0] which is named in pure onomatopoeia :)
|
| [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zang_Tumb_Tumb
| pvg wrote:
| Russian Futurism and Italian Futurism are related but diverged
| in a number of ways. Worthwhile but nigh-infinite clickhole,
| made more impressive by the fact that Russian Futurists weren't
| around for all that long.
| saltdoo wrote:
| Chatgpt + Zaum = ? Let's see...
| [deleted]
| anotheraccount9 wrote:
| Zaliv blik flur, Oomna ziv tragan, Glorb tist eelv, Shlorm
| briglat vrang.
| [deleted]
| cubefox wrote:
| The Wikipedia article is very vague on what Zaum even is. But it
| does compare it to the Dada moveme minus the silliness. Dada was
| mainly about nonsense poetry and breaking literary conventions.
| It originated from Switzerland during the first world war, so
| around the same time as Zaum.
| itisit wrote:
| Reminds me of my favorite piece of gobbledygook, the _Codex
| Seraphinianus_! [0] [1]
|
| Perusing it is a fun way to let your mind untether from the usual
| symbolicism [sic], coherence, and meaning encountered in daily
| life.
|
| [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Codex_Seraphinianus
|
| [1] https://www.wired.com/2013/10/codex-seraphinianus-interview/
| BizarroLand wrote:
| I have both a first edition and the 40th annual edition.
|
| It's a beautiful book that invites so much imagination and
| wonder. Serafini said that creating it was like a daily
| handwritten glossolalia.
| [deleted]
| [deleted]
| booleandilemma wrote:
| It's like the jabberwocky but it takes itself a lot more
| seriously.
| sdkgames wrote:
| Auktyon (a Russian alternative rock band) has an album of songs
| based on poems by Russian futurist Velimir Khlebnikov. [1]
|
| [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YFDBG7sGDRU
| Liquix wrote:
| What clashes here of wills gen wonts, oystrygods gaggin fishy-
| gods!
| ilyagr wrote:
| As Wikipedia points out, Lewis Carroll's
| https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jabberwocky has very similar
| spirit.
| alargemoose wrote:
| Guessing OP is a (Disco
| Eylisem)[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disco_Elysium] fan.
| ljm wrote:
| Disco Elysium has a tragic recent history worthy of a post of
| its own
| HPsquared wrote:
| I also thought this was about ZA/UM, didn't know about the
| recent events... Yes, that would be an interesting post.
| waveBidder wrote:
| people make games have a deep dive on the subject and boy
| howdy is it a mess
|
| https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JGIGA8taN-M
| hammock wrote:
| Surprised there were so many comments here as I have literally no
| idea what the Wikipedia article is talking about even after
| reading it.
|
| I went to ChatGPT to create some examples of zaum for worldwide
| brands, it helped a little. I still don't get it - I have a
| feeling ChatGPT doesn't get it either - it seems to be using
| florid words to evoke a feeling, absent of meaning (or with
| literal meaning taking a back seat to the ambiance). In other
| words, the literary/poetic version of a soundscape. Is that it?
|
| Toyota: Steel dreams meld under mechanical constellations, gears
| and pistons dance in orchestrated harmony, roads unspool like
| cosmic ribbons before tire constellations, the hum of engines
| resonates in the cosmic silence, where the journey's tapestry
| unfurls with each turn of the terrestrial spindle.
|
| McDonalds: Golden arches stand as sentinels of the fast-food
| cosmos, sizzling constellations of patties and fries twirl in a
| symphony of flavors, neon galaxies beckon from drive-thru
| dimensions, a celestial menu unfurls, where taste and nostalgia
| collide in cosmic bites of familiarity and delight.
|
| Edit: tried McDonalds again with made up words-
| Goldever Crispiflame, a sizzle-gleam delight, Twirls in
| FlavoFog, a crispy zephyr's flight. McFizzleGems dance,
| zaum's embrace, anew, Bubbly bounceluxe, in zaum sauce hue.
| Flavorbloom sazzy, twixt bunlace dream, Zaumshakes
| laughter, a dessert supreme. Munchkinzest zorbits, in
| flavorfizz mirth, Zaumagic savorzest, ignites joy's
| rebirth.
| [deleted]
| maximinus_thrax wrote:
| I as well have no idea what this is, but reading more about it,
| I imagine it makes more sense for people in the Russian
| speaking community.
|
| Edit:
|
| > Toyota: Steel dreams meld under mechanical constellations,
| gears and pistons dance in orchestrated harmony, roads unspool
| like cosmic ribbons before tire constellations, the hum of
| engines resonates in the cosmic silence, where the journey's
| tapestry unfurls with each turn of the terrestrial spindle.
|
| That's exactly how I feel when I drive my '99 Corolla, lol
| ChrisArchitect wrote:
| More interesting than last time?
| https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35748484
| [deleted]
| NotYourLawyer wrote:
| 3 points, 3 months ago, 0 comments. Nobody saw it last time.
| weinzierl wrote:
| A similar movement happened in Germany a tad later (ca.
| 1920-1930) with Kurt Schwitters and his _Ursonate_ one of the
| most prominent examples.
|
| Here is a recital of the poem by the author himself from 1932
| [1]. Don't worry if you don't know German, you wouldn't
| understand more if you did anyway.
|
| [1]
| https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=1qLKu3R8no4&pp=ygUPS3VydCBTY2h...
| confd wrote:
| [dead]
| vsviridov wrote:
| My favorite poet of the Zaum is Daniil Kharms... But not sure how
| much of his works were (or even can be meaningully) translated
| into English...
|
| I guess he was technically founder of OBERUI (collaboration of
| real art) which was an off-shoot of Zaum.
|
| He was making a living publishing children's literature, which is
| ironic, because he hated children. But he couldn't publish his
| Futurist works, because they were deemed to be anti-soviet.
| varjag wrote:
| In a special twist he was arrested for his children's works and
| not for his avant-garde writings.
| contingencies wrote:
| He probably hated children even more after that.
| vsviridov wrote:
| His life story is very tragic, as it was for most people in
| the post-revolutionary times. His diaries were published
| and they are quite a harrowing read at times.
| avodonosov wrote:
| Of Kharms' works, I can not stop thinking for the last 10
| years of the Knight (Rytsar') story.
|
| Written in soviet 1930-ies, reads horrifyingly similar to
| the todays reality.
| dhosek wrote:
| Karms is definitely available in English. One of my MFA
| classmates did his graduation seminar on Karms.
| vsviridov wrote:
| Would be interesting to read and see how well it stacks up to
| the original.
|
| I remember being quite surprised and somewhat disappointed
| after reading some of my favorite sci-fi in english, after
| many years.
|
| Translators to Russian did a great job at adapting it and in
| some cases the translation was better than the original...
| Less dry..
| gregsadetsky wrote:
| The most famous translation into English is probably "Today I
| Wrote Nothing: The Selected Writings of Daniil Kharms" by
| Matvei Yankelevich. You can find it on Amazon and elsewhere.
|
| Ian Frazier, a well known author and contributor to the New
| Yorker, also published "It Happened Like This" which has great
| original translations of stories and poems.
|
| Finally, last year, my partner and I translated 8 of Kharms'
| short pieces and recorded them as a spoken jazz album. If
| you're into Kharms and/or Ken Nordine-like absurd vocal jazz,
| you might like it -> https://thedaniilkharms.bandcamp.com (and
| on Spotify, etc.) You can also read the album's translations by
| hovering over the song titles and clicking "Lyrics"
|
| I assume you speak Russian -- you might be interested in this
| article about the album/translation process:
| https://www22.zvuki.ru/R/P/82795/
| aeontech wrote:
| Thanks, great interview!
|
| Loved Kharms forever, will definitely check out your album
| (and all the other excellent references linked from the
| interview)
|
| For anyone else interested, though Gregory streaming links
| for the album here:
| https://songwhip.com/thedaniilkharms/postgogol-world
| gregsadetsky wrote:
| Thank you! I also forgot to link to a music video that a
| close friend made:
|
| https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Aoc2lAXP9s
|
| It's a stop motion linocut... Each animated frame took him
| hours to make. A gem!
| avodonosov wrote:
| A Russian joke that comes to mind:
|
| A monkey enters a restaurant and orders a short of vodka and a
| large bowl of sour cream. They serve. The monkey drinks the vodka
| and puts the bowl of sour cream over on his head.
|
| - What are you doing? - I'm so mysterious.
| BizarroLand wrote:
| This has strong Penguin of Doom!!1! energy _Holds up spork_
| bigdict wrote:
| The version I know ends "I get real crazy when I'm fucked up".
|
| To deconstruct the joke: the punchline is absurd because the
| monkey ordered the sour cream when it was completely sober,
| thus setting itself up for the craziness in the first place.
| 082349872349872 wrote:
| cf https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abstract_comics for a visual
| equivalent?
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