[HN Gopher] AI real-time human full-body photo generator ___________________________________________________________________ AI real-time human full-body photo generator Author : bookofjoe Score : 318 points Date : 2023-08-23 15:28 UTC (7 hours ago) (HTM) web link (generated.photos) (TXT) w3m dump (generated.photos) | Madmallard wrote: | Accuracy on using an existing face seems pretty off. Certain | positions have terrible accuracy on body parts. Why would you | care to use this again? This just seems like another AI SaaS scam | project where they're basically charging others to use their | A100s with their copy-pasted implemented version of the research | paper algorithms. These should just all be outlawed IMO. | oktwtf wrote: | I always thought peak of popular culture had a bit of a negative | effect on the body image of the rest. Now we're going to let ai | define the ideals... this might be slippery. | lelanthran wrote: | "Now"? | | I doubt everyone is going to want to have six mangled fingers | on one hand and a claw on the other. | oktwtf wrote: | Okay, agreed. I ran about 15-20 gens through the site, got | mangled feet/legs, disconnected appendages, extra appendages, | nudity, nudity imprinted onto clothing, just bizarre stuff. | | Tomorrow's "Now", maybe. | Peritract wrote: | We know about all of the potential harms that deepfakes can | cause, the problems with inherent bias in training data, etc. | | Creating/publicising a tool that winks at these issues (consider | the difference between the poses offered for 'male' and 'female' | bodies) but does nothing to mitigate them - and a lot to enable | them - is irresponsible at best. | RetroTechie wrote: | Perhaps more to the point: | | All these AI content generators are still early stage. So it's | _kind of_ wild west for the time being. | | First cars were what? Horse carriage with an engine duct taped | onto it? Only when they became more numerous, things like | traffic rules, reliable brakes & steering etc became important. | | We're in the engine-with-wheels stage. Have fun, be happy. | UweSchmidt wrote: | It would be quite hard to make any AI tool that preemptively | avoids the wide range of potential issues that you've | mentioned. If tool makers are forced to always err on the side | of caution, it's likely that the resulting tool ends up | disappointing. | | Only when published, and when put into context of the entire | work, could a creation deemed harmful. A tool should not, for | example, prevent you from making a bunch of images with ominous | poses, from which you select one to use with an article that | discusses the history of ominous poses. | EGreg wrote: | In that case enjoy our proof of concept: | | https://app.engageusers.ai | | Everything from realistic faces to realistic posts. We tried | to make it as ethical as possible in multiple ways. But | ultimately it is designed to spur conversation on topics that | need more kickstarting engagement... | Peritract wrote: | Just because it's hard to make a tool that _can 't_ be used | in negative ways doesn't mean that it's a good idea to make a | tool that (charitably) makes specifically negative uses easy | and (uncharitably) is deliberately designed for them. | | Tool makes do err on the side of caution all the time - we | **** out passwords so users don't share them as easily, we | put safety catches in secateurs. "Build in safeguards against | the obvious issues" is a basic design step. | UweSchmidt wrote: | - your critique is both vague, but at the same time touches | a sensitive area, implying a wrongdoing by the tool authors | that can't be refuted or fixed easily. What specifically | bothers you? Consider that active Twitter discussions | uncover and point out troublesome issues almost faster than | the general public can understand and digest. | | - assuming you found an egregious issue, do you also double | down on maintaining that the tool is 'deliberately designed | to make negative uses easy'? How so? | | - I disagree with the 'safety catches' metaphor and would | offer the 'hammer' metaphor instead. | | - Actually, with the rapid development in this field I | expect that anyone will be able to locally prompt for any | content, even movies, soon, limited only by people's taste | and imagination; with this realization I don't think I will | follow up on this discussion that will surely be outdated | in a minute. | upwardbound wrote: | Peritract already called out a specific issue. The male | and female options come with different sets of selectable | poses, and some of the female poses are pornographic in | nature. This promotes the objectification of women. | notpachet wrote: | > If tool makers are forced to always err on the side of | caution, it's likely that the resulting tool ends up | disappointing | | I don't disagree with you entirely, but I still have the | feeling like this will make a pretty good epitaph for | humanity some day. | trojan13 wrote: | Nice seeing a nuxt-webapp in production. | smeej wrote: | Why is it impossible to generate a male model wearing anything | other than rolled denim jean shorts? I've tried things like "long | pants" or "ankle-length pants," but I cannot get it to stop | putting them all in denim shorts! | rvbissell wrote: | I accidentally ended up with a male in a miniskirt, simply | because the clothing defaults didn't change. | gg80 wrote: | Try with cargo pants. After three or four iterations the pants | disappeared and were substituted by something that can only be | described as an andrologist fever dream. | system2 wrote: | There is a clothing tab which you select whatever you want. I | think description doesn't override it. | dragonwriter wrote: | > Why is it impossible to generate a male model wearing | anything other than rolled denim jean shorts? | | Its not, I got rolled-but-long white denim pants, white shirt, | white tie, and white jacket, with white deck-ish shoes but | selecting "Formal" on the clothing tab and entering "Clothing: | white-tie formalwear". | | But, yeah, there is a definite denim bias. | n8cpdx wrote: | I got one with regular shorts: https://generated.photos/human- | generator/64e67772190809000bb... | | I don't understand why none of these generators want to make a | man with body hair. I specified Armenian and Armenians are | notoriously hairy. | | Edit: this is if I specify "very hairy". Note that for a man, | there is a bit of hair in the usual places but still far short | of "very hairy" IMO. https://generated.photos/human- | generator/64e67aa38448b800095... (And the hair rendering is | bad, AI still doesn't understand directionality; there's a very | common pattern it should know, especially on the chest) | dcdc123 wrote: | Scroll down to the text field at the bottom and delete | everything in it. Then go back and reselect clothing. | trebligdivad wrote: | Yeh; tbh I thought it did a reasonable job with them though | https://generated.photos/human-generator/64e666d59563e6000e0... | (The hairline is way off, and he's way too muscular) I at least | don't spot anything too anatomically wrong. | kzrdude wrote: | Knees are weird, one of them tilted backwards, ears | asymmetrical. | dinkleberg wrote: | You might not like it but jorts are the pinnacle of lower body | coverings. | | That is actually a hilarious issue. | evan_ wrote: | The first female model I generated was supposed to be wearing | jeans but was wearing what can only be described as a denim | belt with pockets | kortex wrote: | Oh yeah, totally ready for prime time, hyper realistic, SFW | filter works great, not at all hallucinations /massive_sarcasm | | Actually NSFW, not safe for sanity. That's...not how body parts | work: | | https://generated.photos/human-generator/64e644f39c8c0400108... | | Prompt was "young woman with tattoos in miniskirt" really nothing | crazy there. But perhaps the latent space with that particular | pose is particularly raunchy. | philote wrote: | Yeah, this was my first attempt: | https://generated.photos/human-generator/64e648819c8c0400088... | | Not quite right. I am, however, impressed that the fingers are | generally "mostly" correct. | 14 wrote: | my first attempt created some kind of gym monster lol | https://generated.photos/human- | generator/64e64a2f412bec0009b... | [deleted] | mrguyorama wrote: | This is actually an incredible example of "The longer you | look the worse it gets". | | She has a second set of boobs where her hips should be! | That's not evolutionarily advantageous! | westernpopular wrote: | Your description had me curious, the picture had me | laughing out loud | kortex wrote: | _What a time to be alive!_ | binkHN wrote: | Definitely the stuff nightmares are made out of! | kortex wrote: | Oof, I thought we banned thalidomide. | | I wonder if their pose detection/interpolation struggles for | rarer poses, eg "kneeling with legs splayed leaning forward" | is quite specific in saucy contexts and fairly sparse in more | typical model shoots, so the manifold gets a bit holey, and | overlaps with similar poses like one knee up, one hand | forward. | philote wrote: | Yeah I think that's it. | | Also, it's way too easy to make something that looks like | (or basically is) child porn with this tool. I chose Adult | but something else keeps triggering it to generate a child- | like face like in the image I posted. And as you showed, | it's easy to get accidental NSFW pics. | BiteCode_dev wrote: | It's very hard to filter NSFW content. Every site I tried, | unstable diffusion, kawaix.com, Mage space, novel ai... They | all have some content moderation on (to avoid CP, to keep | payment processors happy...), but things leak. | | Some are really bad at filtering. Kawaix is particularly | terrible at it, because they are new, while mage have upped | their game a lot but had many months to do so. | | It feels like 2000' again, and it's the wild west. | | Plus when you have a horde of teenagers having a whole summer | to try prompts from their bed, you get serious pen testing | sessions. | 14 wrote: | I've spent the last hour trying to coax it to spit out nsfw | images and it definitely is not safe for work lol. I wouldn't | even want to post some of the seeds I generated. Nudity is not | prevented in this generator. | [deleted] | freeflight wrote: | There is a SFW filter? | | I just let it generate a random woman with no prompt, and it | gave me a pretty good result, except there is a mask on the | face and literally bloody nude boobs; | https://generated.photos/human-generator/64d67874568faa0007a... | | edit; I just realized it put in a default prompt | garyfirestorm wrote: | and I got a 'We detected that generated image contains nude | content. Try changing parameters.' despite not specifying any | such thing | barbariangrunge wrote: | Looks like something from a hellraiser movie | [deleted] | noman-land wrote: | These all look like cartoons to me. | ZYXER wrote: | ...prone to pron? | bdowling wrote: | > "If you want to use images produced by Human Generator in | commercial projects, contact us." | | If there is no copyright in AI-generated images, then how can | they possibly enforce this? | jejeyyy77 wrote: | they can't. | [deleted] | caturopath wrote: | > If there is no copyright in AI-generated images, then how can | they possibly enforce this? | | We don't have precedent here. Whether a person using a website | with a generative AI tool counts as having a non-human creator | isn't clear, and it seems to me like the answer is that it does | have a human creator. Using a horse-hair brush to paint a | painting doesn't mean that the painting was created by a horse | and isn't subject to copyright. We'll have to find out | eventually whether over a dozen settings, some with a gazillion | options, and multiple freeform inputs counts as 'not created by | a human'. | wredue wrote: | Was there not just precedent set for this? | | The horse hair example is nonsense. One might argue that | artists take inspiration from other artists to make the | argument that what the AI is doing is fine. But the ai is | actually only capable of blending what it's been trained on, | whereas an artist is not similarly limited. And this is how | the horse hair sample is stupid. | caturopath wrote: | > Was there not just precedent set for this? | | No. | | > One might argue that artists take inspiration from other | artists to make the argument that what the AI is doing is | fine. | | This doesn't seem to address what I took to be the relevant | part of IP law - that non-human authors don't create | copyrighted works. It was a reductio ad absurdum for | minimal non-human involvement. It's probably not the case | that a monkey stealing your camera and taking a selfie | creates a copyrighted work. It's probably the case that a | frog triggering a motion sensor you set up for nature | photography does. It's certain painting normally with a | horsehair brush does. | | Your remarks seem to make some sort of moral appeal, but | I'm not sure how it ties into the legal concerns I thought | was being raised. | | > the ai is actually only capable of blending what it's | been trained on, whereas an artist is not similarly | limited. | | I'm not sure what "blending" means here or what the actual | theories of generative art ML systems and of humans here | are. To call what the former do "blending" requires such a | broad definition I can't tell you if humans are blending as | well (at least some of the time, at least materially) when | creating works. | dragonwriter wrote: | > Was there not just precedent set for this? | | No, there was a recent case where someone tried to claim an | AI as an author for copyright and themselves as owner via | work for hire, where it was ruled invalid because AI can't | be an author under copyright law; the ruling was explicit | that it was not addressing copyrightability by humans of | images they create using an AI generator as a tool, only | the claim of copyright with AI as the author. | Philpax wrote: | There haven't been any solid rulings on the copyright validity | of human-driven AI generation yet. There have been a few cases, | but they've been muddied by complicating factors (not a human | doing the generation - that is, autonomous generation - or the | generation being used as a base work for something else). | | Additionally, even if there's no copyright, the terms of | service may still apply separately (see OpenAI disallowing | training a competitor model on output from OpenAI models) | basch wrote: | A copyright is a government granted monopoly. The copyright | office has stated they wont grant monopoly privilege for ai | generated art. The courts thus far have backed them up. | | I would say it doesnt look good at the moment for to try and | enforce ownership of something ai generated, it would be an | uphill battle, and the default/null position would be that | the art is free to use, and unprotected by government. | dragonwriter wrote: | > The copyright office has stated they wont grant monopoly | privilege for ai generated art. | | No, they haven't. | | They've said that _if_ the only human input is a text | prompt, _then_ it lacks the required human creativity to be | eligible for copyright protection. | tomcam wrote: | Not trying to be combative, but I don't see the | difference? | dragonwriter wrote: | Real AI imagegen workflows very often have more input | from the human creating the image than a text prompt. | basch wrote: | seems a little circular semantically. if it has | significant human input its human generated moreso than | ai generated, in which case we are saying the same thing. | cush wrote: | I don't think we're going to see a ruling against copyright | in the long term. When the rulings do come, they're going to | be complex (not that copyright law isn't already complex). As | prompting and working with AIs slowly becomes its own art and | skill, it will become clear that works need protection. We've | had "intelligent" filters and tools in Photoshop for decades, | this is just the next step in that evolution. | | The only real problem here is that the original creators of | the art that these AIs were trained on didn't consent to this | type of use and aren't getting any kind of attribution or | payment. If they were recognized and compensated, there'd be | really nothing to talk about here - any work could be | copyrighted, with whatever derivative status the AI bakes in. | EMIRELADERO wrote: | > Additionally, even if there's no copyright, the terms of | service may still apply separately (see OpenAI disallowing | training a competitor model on output from OpenAI models) | | Aren't contract clauses that relate to the distribution of | material preempted by the copyright act? | tzs wrote: | No. However contract clauses only apply to people who are | actually parties to the contract. | | For example you and I could enter into a contract for me to | use AI to generate something that is not copyrightable from | data you provide and give you a copy of that thing. There | would in general be no legal problem if the contract | included restrictions on what you could do with that thing, | including restrictions on distributing it. | | Part of the quid pro quo of a contract can be one party | giving up a right to do something that they would normally | have a right to do. | | Now suppose the contract did allow you to make and | distribute copies as part of your product. Someone else | starts making copies of those copies you distributed and | distributing those copies. | | There is no contract between me and that person, so I would | not be able to stop them. I've got no contract with them, | and the thing is not copyrighted, so there's nothing that | prevents them from copying it. | dragonwriter wrote: | > Aren't contract clauses that relate to the distribution | of material preempted by the copyright act? | | Generally, no. It's possible for there to be interactions | in some cases, but the Copyright Act wouldn't generally | preempt contract terms. (Its closer to the other way | around, in that--to the extent copyright rights exist that | could otherwise be enforced--a relevant contract will | generally limit enforcement and recover to breach of | contract rather than bare copyright action.) | bookofjoe wrote: | https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37195509 | | https://www.theverge.com/2023/8/19/23838458/ai-generated- | art... | space_fountain wrote: | I believe that as the article says despite the headline | this case was specifically about a situation where a | computer scientist wanted to list the AI as the one | creating the work. The case doesn't examine an argument | that things can be copyrighted when a human is involved | either by filtering the output or even just by developing | the algorithm involved and thus the human is the artist and | the AI is just a tool. I think what's clear is that legally | AI can't itself create a copy righted work just like a | camera can't be listed as the author of a work, but it's | not clear if a human using AI as a tool either through | prompting or filtering counts as a creative act under | copyright or if AI generated creations count as derivative | works of the models weights. | wrs wrote: | They could do it with a click-through license agreement, but | they don't have one of those either. So it seems to have the | legal force of a polite request. (IANAL) | HPsquared wrote: | Does this apply to any photo taken by a camera with "AI" | filters? There must be a line somewhere. | HWR_14 wrote: | The current line is not based on a maximum AI input but a | minimum human input. You aimed the camera, your copyright. | You have an AI just create fake pictures and post them | without someone in the loop, no copyright. The questions are | mostly about how little you have to do. | pbjtime wrote: | While that may be the status today, I feel this is in no | way settled. | gumballindie wrote: | Question is why would anyone want to use this since it's so | buggy. | fnordpiglet wrote: | There are lots of tools that don't have copyrightable output | that require commercial licensing to use. | phyzome wrote: | As of now, copyright of AI-generated images _is not a settled | matter_. But I think smart money is on the courts coming down | on the side of copyright being applicable. | | (If you're thinking of the recent court case, no, that was | unrelated; some guy was trying to pull a stunt and the court | did not actually rule on the thing you think they did.) | servercobra wrote: | Do you have a link or something re: your second point for | those of us who might not know? | sudobash1 wrote: | There are still terms of use, which can dictate how you are | allowed to use a website. And there are watermarks in the | corners. | notpachet wrote: | We can probably AI those out. | TehCorwiz wrote: | Adobe Fusion 360 education edition limits what I can create | with it to non commercial uses only. Despite me owning the | copyright for what I produce using it. I don't think you have | it right. | dragonwriter wrote: | Its terms of use of the site, you are offered use of their | geneator in exchange for agreeing not to use it commercially. | If you use it commercially, you are breaking those terms, which | they will argue are an enforceable contract. Copyright has | nothing to do with it. | mitthrowaway2 wrote: | But what if you use the generator, post the image in an | allowed non-commercial context, and then I copy that image | and use it commercially? I have no contract with the AI | generator company, and you didn't violate yours; it would | seem to me that the violation involved is a copyright | violation. | behringer wrote: | 100 percent legal to use the generated images as freely as | you like in that case. | disembiggen wrote: | if there were, globally, no copyright at all in any "ai" | generated images, and one confidently thought there never would | be, then simply using the images, in the case that one only | needed one or two images, would probably be fine. | | however if there were large nations in which the law was still | in flux or unclear, or one wanted to generate new images on the | fly without fear of rate-limiting or refusal of service, then | one would potentially wish to work out an arrangement. | aerodog wrote: | Has the same problems as midjourney et al: you can feed it | pictures of a friend or yourself or a celebrity, and the result | is always off - not recognizable as them | Jeff_Brown wrote: | Some will surely consider that a feature rather than a bug. | mrguyorama wrote: | But then how am I supposed to be the kind of creepy person | that jerks it to poorly modified "nudes" made from Facebook | profile pics? | Jeff_Brown wrote: | "Back in my day stalkers had to use their _imagination_ , | by gum." | Philpax wrote: | That's pretty easily fixable if you train a LoRA or similar so | that the model has a specific likeness in mind. (You can look | at - and despair at - Civitai if you want proof.) | | It's harder to do at inference time without training, but I | wouldn't assume it'll be impossible forever, especially with | the existence of ControlNet. | gwern wrote: | This is a GAN, so you can just project the image of yourself | into the latent space (which will give you a near-pixel- | perfect reconstruction), fix the identity-relevant variables | in the _z_, and edit it as necessary. (No workarounds like | finetuning necessary. Just one of the many forgotten | advantages of GANs.) | GaggiX wrote: | You can project an image into the latent space with | diffusion model too, DDIM inversion. | DonsDiscountGas wrote: | >fix the identity-relevant variables in the _z_ | | Is that how the latent space works though; Like if it's a | 300-dim vector, is the face at locations 0-10? | samstave wrote: | "Human generator is at full capacity, please try again later" | AuryGlenz wrote: | No wonder the birth rate has been dropping. | bun_at_work wrote: | I wonder if it's actually overloaded or if there's a bug. | bookofjoe wrote: | HN Effect | titaniumtown wrote: | hug of death | [deleted] | gwern wrote: | If you're wondering how it's so fast and cheap and they can | generate variants so easily, it's because they're using GANs (see | the footer). GANs are way faster than diffusion models because | they generate the image in a single forward pass and their true | latent space encoding makes editing a breeze. | | (And if you're wondering how it can look so good when 'everyone | knows GANs don't work because they're too unstable', a widespread | myth, repeated by many DL researchers who ought to know better, | GANs _can_ scale to high-quality realistic images on billion- | image scale datasets, and become more, not less, stable with | scale, like many things in deep reinforcement learning. See for | example BigGAN on JFT-300m | https://arxiv.org/pdf/1809.11096.pdf#page=8&org=deepmind , | GigaGAN https://arxiv.org/abs/2303.05511 , Projected GAN | https://arxiv.org/abs/2111.01007 , StyleGAN-XL | https://arxiv.org/abs/2202.00273 , or Tensorfork's chaos runs | https://gwern.net/gan#tensorfork-chaos-runs . 'Computing is a pop | culture'...) | tavavex wrote: | While there's discussion on the topic here - are there any | resources that can explain the exact mechanism of how a GAN | works for image generation? I have a rough idea of how | diffusion models work, but I'm still no AI researcher. | brucethemoose2 wrote: | There was a whole community around ESRGAN img2img finetuning | kinda like Stable Diffusion LORA community... albeit a much, | much smaller one. | dragonwriter wrote: | > If you're wondering how it's so fast and cheap and they can | generate variants so easily | | I assume its cheap because they are burning money to build a | business, its not fast at all, and the quality... sucks. | | > And if you're wondering how it can look so good | | I'm not. | | I'm wondering why they're trying to get people to use something | worse than using a decent photorealistic SD1.5-based checkpoint | with some basic prompt templating. | | Not saying GANs can't be awesome, just that this site isn't | what I'd use to make that case. | mrguyorama wrote: | Looking at the poses, it feels optimized for generating porn, | but one example someone showed had a child's face (good god | please don't let your "AI" system generate child anything if | you want to sell it for porn purposes), and another user | noted that their attempt error'd out because it "detected | nudity", even though other users get given a nude model by | default. | stavros wrote: | What exactly is the argument against AI-generated child | porn? Are we worried that it will somehow turn people into | pedophiles, or do we not want to take jobs away from actual | children? | katabasis wrote: | 1. You are potentially giving a shield of deniability to | people who create or distribute real CSAM because now | they could claim that the images are just AI generated | and therefore "harmless" | | 2. Efforts to stamp out real child abuse may be | undermined by a flood of AI-generated false positive | imagery | | 3. When people see something over and over again they | start to think that it's normal. AI generation of this | kind of material (something which can be done at a huge | scale) risks normalizing the sexual abuse of children. | | I'm sure there are many other arguments beyond these. | tempestn wrote: | To expand on what I take as your implied argument- Some | (small) percentage of people are pedophiles, meaning | they're attracted to children. Presumably they can't help | that, just as others can't change their sexual | preferences. Clearly acting on this urge with an actual | child is wrong. That's true whether it's directly | assaulting a child, or consuming child porn, as that | market encourages others to exploit children to generate | it. However, if it is possible to produce CP without | involving actual children, it could provide an outlet for | those desires that would reduce demand for actual CP, and | thereby reduce incidents of children being abused to | produce it. | | One could argue that such an outlet could even reduce | incidents of direct sexual assault of children by | pedophiles, but there is also a counter-argument that it | would instead serve to "whet the appetite" and encourage | such behaviour. And of course there are other counter- | arguments; it could make actual CP more difficult to | detect, for one. Finally there is the argument from the | perspective of fundamental morality, that depicting | children in a sexual manner is wrong in and of itself, | and therefore the various potential effects are | irrelevant. (Much like it's wrong to murder an innocent, | even if you could harvest their organs and save five | others as a result.) | hackinthebochs wrote: | It's interesting to notice when utilitarian arguments are | accepted and when they're rejected. The argument offered | in favor of abortion without limits tends to be that | women will get abortions regardless, they will just be | dangerous. Presumably the greater good is served by | allowing abortions despite the moral issues surrounding | killing fetuses/unborn children. I have no trouble | imagining many people supporting such a utilitarian | argument for abortion but not for generated CP. Though I | have a hard time making the distinction intelligible. | stavros wrote: | That's a good summary, thanks. I think AI-generated will | lead to actual child porn not making financial sense | (hopefully, anyway). I also don't think that the | "whetting the appetite" argument is true, from other | areas I've seen (eg playing violent games doesn't lead | you to becoming a murderer), but I have no data on that. | ThrowAway1922A wrote: | > What exactly is the argument against AI-generated child | porn? | | Currently? The fact that all the models need training | data and the law will see that as victimizing the people | who were used in the data set be they adults of children. | | Overall? The fact that it's disgusting and pedophiles | deserve things which I can say IRL and everyone agrees | with, but on HN will get me banned. | | Many countries ban underage anime porn too. Children and | their likeness are off limits. | richie_adler wrote: | Far from me to defend pederasty, but I'm quite sure I | would disagree with the thing you wouldn't want to | publish, RL or not. | CapitalistCartr wrote: | The argument against it is that the police and | prosecutors don't care about your arguments. | dragonwriter wrote: | > What exactly is the argument against AI-generated child | porn? | | As something you generate in a photorealistic image | generator you are building a business around? | | The fact that it is a serious crime in many jurisdictions | and, even where it isn't, photorealistic child porn | images that get noticed anywhere or going to result in | uncomfortable conversations for everyone involved in the | process of establishing that they aren't evidence of a | crime. | blitz_skull wrote: | Probably moral depravity if I had to guess. Not sure why | we even need "an argument" against it. It's pretty self- | evidently wrong. | wizofaus wrote: | What if it turned out it were the only effective way to | prevent people engaging in real paedophilia? | JackFr wrote: | Prisons? | Jolter wrote: | But it's not. | trehalose wrote: | That's a very big "what if". What data could demonstrate | that to be true or false? | [deleted] | masfuerte wrote: | Under English law creating a rough hand-drawn child porn | sketch for your own amusement is a serious crime. I don't | understand the rationale for this, but people should be | aware that if they use a porn generator and it spits out | an image that looks like CP then they will have committed | an offence in England. | dotancohen wrote: | I don't know if the thing in the crotch is a penis or a | scrotum, but it is definitely NSFW: | | https://images.generated.photos/0wV1dBnZ15hGneEfqfZT7SdEIil | l... | | My prompt was simply "Standing in front of a rocket.". | oniony wrote: | That image is so full of wtf | GaggiX wrote: | >they're too unstable', a widespread myth | | >See for example BigGAN | | I remember when you try training a BigGAN model on anime | images, the quality was bad. Now look at this example, one | single GPU, 1.5M images with a diffusion model: | https://medium.com/@enryu9000/anifusion-diffusion-models-for... | ,the difference in quality is absurd, you can say this or that | is not true but the quality speak for itself, obtaining good | quality on complex distribution is much easier with a diffusion | model than a GAN. | | For example in the case of the site linked they have | conditioned the model on poses because you're not going to get | anything close to be coherent without them with a simple | StyleGAN as they say they're using. | Tyr42 wrote: | Broken link? | GaggiX wrote: | Fixed thx | gwern wrote: | > I remember when you try training a BigGAN model on anime | images, the quality was bad | | Because there was a bug in the code, in a part unrelated to | the GAN itself. | | > the difference in quality is absurd | | Yes, it _does_ help to train on anime with code that isn 't | buggy. (BTW, Skylion was getting good results with GANs on | anime similarly restricted to centered figures like those | samples, he just refuses to ever publish anything.) | GaggiX wrote: | So you believe that without the bug you would be able to | come close to the quality of the diffusion model I have | linked? I'm not even asking about using the same compute (1 | GPU for ~1 month) but if you just believe BigGAN can come | close to that in general. | | Also the bug is probably related to the added complexity of | training a GAN model in comparison to a diffusion model. | dublin wrote: | How it can look so good? ROFL!! It just created a guy with a | hand coming off his left ankle in place of a foot, and toes or | fingers or something poking out the end of the show on his | right foot! https://generated.photos/human- | generator/64e682308448b8000c5... | lacoolj wrote: | maybe it was fast 58 minutes ago but apparently it is now at | peak capacity. even if you don't get rejected, a new image | takes minutes | nbardy wrote: | You're overstating the simplicity of a scaling a GAN well. | | GigaGAN is the best quality out of those and requires 7 loss | functions and is incredibly complicated. | | Sure GANs can scale, but Diffusion models are drastically | easier to scale. | gwern wrote: | No, I'm not. BigGAN did fine on scaling up to JFT-300M with | basically no changes beyond model size and a simple | architecture. This is also what we were observing, even with | a buggy BigGAN implementation. GigaGAN is the best quality, | but that's mostly because it's also the biggest; as Table 1 | shows most of the gains come from various kinds of additional | scaling. (And this is moving the goalposts from the usual | assertion that "GANs _can 't_ scale" to "they're harder to | scale"; note the self-fulfilling nature of such assertions. | Considering how there is next to no GAN scaling research, | these results are remarkable and show how much low-hanging | fruit there is.) | | Diffusion models are only 'drastically easier to scale' | because researchers have spent the past 3 years researching | pretty much nothing _but_ diffusion models, discovering all | sorts of subtle issues with them and how to make them scale, | which is why it took them so long to become SOTA, and why | massive architectural sweeps like | https://arxiv.org/abs/2206.00364#nvidia were necessary to | discover what makes them 'easier to scale'. If this level of | brute force and moon math is 'easy', lord save us from any | architecture which is 'hard'! | GaggiX wrote: | Researchers have spent several years try to even create a | GAN that can fit well a distribution made of aligned faces | (resulted into StyleGAN1/2); with a simple unet with | e-objective and cosine schedule you can fit much complex | distributions, still using one loss: L1/L2. | | Reading your comments make me feel like that you believe | that just every researchers (even extremely smart dude like | Karras) just switch to diffusion models because they are | idiots, they should have instead focus on GANs and today we | will have GANs that are as powerful or more than the | diffusion models we have today and also work one step; this | is just a weird delusion. Diffusion models are just simply | much easier to train (just a L1/L2 loss in most cases), | write (for example your buggy BigGAN implementation), they | usually work out-of-box on different resolutions and aspect | ratios, you can just finetune them if you want to create an | inpainting model; and for what is right now you just need | much less compute to reach a good image coherency or maybe | just reaching a coherence that as not been achieved by GAN | models; like I would be curious even on a small scale | experiment what a GAN (with ~55M parameters) would be able | to perform after a 1-day/2-day GPU time of training on | Icon645 dataset, because my diffusion model I can assure is | much better than I could have imagine while being trivial | to implement (I just implemented a Unet as I remember one, | nothing rigorous and of course no architecture sweep). | ShamelessC wrote: | > Diffusion models are only 'drastically easier to scale' | because researchers have spent the past 3 years researching | pretty much nothing but diffusion models | | This is what tends to happen when you find a superior | method. | | GAN's are fine, they have plenty of promise for tasks | requiring rapid inference. But diffusion models beat GANs | on robustness and image quality every time. | sebzim4500 wrote: | >And if you're wondering how it can look so good | | I don't think anyone is wondering this, especially if they are | used to playing with diffusion models. | motoboi wrote: | What I'm really wondering is how can this be free. What is the | business model here? | | Are they using me to refine the model in some way? | htrp wrote: | Human evaluation is super expensive so yes. Seeing which | sessions you discard and keep alone is worth the compute | time, especially if it's GAN based. | irrational wrote: | It says free for non-commercial. If commercial, contact us. I | assume they plan on paying the bills with commercial work. | syntaxing wrote: | > everyone knows GANs don't work because they're too unstable | | Is that a wide spread myth? I thought it's widely accepted that | GAN is really good generating these artificial pictures (it's | what started DeepFake after all) when you know your model's | "button". Similar to how this uses GAN since they have a model | "boundary condition". While humans are diverse, we have a set | of repeatable features (two legs, two arms, etc). Diffusion | models are great because you can control the latent space with | something way more generic, like text hence why it's been so | much more mainstream. | | Edit: actually I might be misremembering, I think Deepfake used | VAEs? | gwern wrote: | It is very widespread. You will see people in this very | thread dismissing GANs as fundamentally failed, and hotly | objecting to any kind of parity, even if they have to fall | back to 'well ok GANs do scale, but they're more | complicated'. I also have some representative quotes in my | linked draft essay from various papers & DL Twitter | discussions. (Another way to put it would be: when was the | last time you saw someone besides me asserting that GANs can | scale to high-quality general images and are not dramatically | inferior to diffusion? I rest my case.) | ShamelessC wrote: | Sounds very important to you that you don't have to change | the premise of your essay or ever admit you're wrong. No | one is dismissive of GAN's here without justification. | They're fine. They don't beat diffusion, but they're fine. | | You come across as severely, _severely_ biased and | reactionary. | tomcam wrote: | "Want more generated people?" is the most 2023 ad headline yet | phyzome wrote: | "Currently, we do not have any limits to the number of humans | you can generate." | | This has widely been seen as something of a problem, | environmentally. | AmazingTurtle wrote: | NSFW? Also.. WTF with their detection algorithm, this is easily | abusable. This was the first image I was prompted with | https://generated.photos/human-generator/64e65d5a8448b8000b5... I | have not changed any of the parameters, they were automatically | generated on /new | joker_minmax wrote: | This is the thing that comes to you if you take too much | Benadryl at noonday. | tomrod wrote: | Wow, this went from reasonable to "holy crap that's nude" without | any prompting real fast. | ramoz wrote: | NSFW | the8472 wrote: | quite the opposite. I get a lot of the outputs filtered without | any NSFW prompting. | | > We detected that generated image contains nude content. Try | changing parameters. | jonnycomputer wrote: | oh, in a few iterations i got a nude sexy adult woman. | clearly they're at risk of generating child porn (you can | change the age to child or teen, though for obvious reasons I | haven't tried it). | ramoz wrote: | Not _quite_ the opposite. | | I clicked the female generation, and got a porn model posing | nude. Without any provided guidance other than the clickable | buttons. | hn_throwaway_99 wrote: | I get that most of these are hilarious (this is my favorite | comment on HN in some time, | https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37239909 ). But still, I | find this incredibly frightening. These are only going to get | better. Does anyone doubt that in a couple years time (if that) | we'll be able to put the image of any known public person into | whatever generated photo we want, which would be | indistinguishable from reality? We're not that far already (see | the Pope in a puffy jacket). | | My only hope is that this extreme enshittification of online | images will make people completely lose trust in anything they | see online, to the point where we actually start spending time | outside again. | declan_roberts wrote: | The good news is that legal courts have already lost faith in | all things digital imagery, and has for a good long while. | They're actually way ahead of the curve. | ChatGTP wrote: | I think already a thing? | mmh0000 wrote: | We're basically there right now betweem Deepnude[1] and | Photoshop. | | [1] (NSFW, seriously.) https://deepnude.cc/ | tennisflyi wrote: | Not sure if these should have light brought upon them or stay | under rocks. | | [2] (NSFW, seriously.) https://undress.app | | [3] (NSFW, seriously.) https://porn.ai | corey_moncure wrote: | Probably shouldn't have made every individual adjustment to the | gen parameters require a generation round-trip to persist them | aubanel wrote: | Wow, the "one more click" effect is strong with that one... I did | not expect anything useful to come out of experimenting with | this, yet here I still am half an hour later. Congrats to the | makers, it's impressive! | chewmieser wrote: | Some of the generated models were pretty damn good but without | any additional prompting I ended up with the standard oddities | like multiple limbs. | | I like the UI functionality though. easy to dial in what you're | looking for | generaltsos wrote: | At last, a way to complete the AI-generated cycle that | https://thispersondoesnotexist.com/ started. | 4ec0755f5522 wrote: | If you refuse their tracking and marketing cookies it redirects | you to google.com. Classy. | bee_rider wrote: | I wonder if their business model is tracking and marketing. | anigbrowl wrote: | I'm surprised browsers don't offer something like Docker so | that each site is isolated to its own virtual environment. | ormax3 wrote: | private/incognito window? | anigbrowl wrote: | That forgets the whole session when you close it. I meant a | way to isolate websites for tracking purposes but also | continue to use it over time rather than throwing away all | cookies. | the8472 wrote: | https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/temporary- | con... | bunnybender wrote: | The creator and maintainer of that extension has passed | away in January. | | https://github.com/stoically/temporary- | containers/issues/618 | evan_ wrote: | Chrome profiles work exactly like this, you can set up any | number of profiles and they all have their own | configuration/sessions etc. | | I use home and work profiles on my laptop for instance, works | really well. | exceptione wrote: | That violates EU law and you can absolutely get a fine for this | behaviour. As a digital service offerer you can ask the user | for permission to track non-essential information about the | user, but your service should work the same, without regard for | if that user says yes or no. | | If this service is hell bent on raping your privacy, they will | have to limit their offerings to mostly those living in | dictatorships and immature democracies. | squeaky-clean wrote: | You can just hit the back button and use the website without it | popping up again. I refused but they're probably still | assigning cookies after I hit the back button. | [deleted] | jrflowers wrote: | Finally a website that unprompted answers the question "What if | Wednesday Addams had enormous breasts?" | | Edit: lol https://generated.photos/human- | generator/64db2561ba3ed6000ca... | joker_minmax wrote: | It gave you a Sims character? | jrflowers wrote: | That was after several Barbie dolls. Great website. | jeroenhd wrote: | The prompt for the image you linked says "in sims world". | It's in the bottom left field. | dragonwriter wrote: | The thing is if you are advertising generating infinite | photorealistic humans, your automatically generated | prompts should probably not be things that do not serve | that end. | jrflowers wrote: | That's cool, I got there through hitting the refresh | button. | dcdc123 wrote: | Be careful at work...it sometimes generates a realistic nude even | with clothing selected. | chefandy wrote: | Incredible. In the time I'd spend creating one image that exactly | fits my or my client's needs or buying a high quality stock | photo, I can generate literally millions of photorealistic, | unappealing, images that would require a skilled commercial | artist to make useful for all but the most throwaway uses. What | about for some high-volume throwaway use case? I generated like 5 | images before I got a 3/4 shot instead of a full-body shot. | _bzzzzzzzt._ | | Trying to 'wing it' with engineers doing what designers should be | doing is a bad enough when you're just making regular interfaces, | but when you're trying to sell a commercial art product, you need | people with subject matter expertise. No matter how cool the | technology is, and no matter how well it theoretically serves a | commercial art customer base, if you're selling art, it's going | to be critiqued as such. Hope you've got a thick skin. | mrguyorama wrote: | But think of how much easier this makes believeable spam and | scams! | endisneigh wrote: | Not bad at all, but what's the main use case? | | The site lists all of these things you can do, but are those | things people needed or wanted? Is the idea to replace stock | photography of people? | Icons8 wrote: | Stock photography, better selfies, or simply fun. Also, people | always invent some use creators never thought about. | drik wrote: | FYI: the site places 3 cookies on the visitor's computer without | consent | [deleted] | tzs wrote: | Do they need consent? | | One cookie looks like it just records whether or not a tooltip | that they want to show to first time users has been shown. The | other two appear to be some kind of session cookies. | | They might count as strictly necessary cookies. | colinrand wrote: | What I find sketchy is that it is not easy to find out who is | behind this service. The norm is an about us or a link to a | parent site. Briefly skimmed the legalese (ToS & Privacy) and | still not clear who these people or where they operate from. The | linkedin link shows 8 people working there, mostly in BD from | outside the US. | | I don't think there is a nefarious purpose going on, i.e. getting | people to sign up and stealing their info or payments, etc. | However, it contributes to the erosion of trust on the internet. | You're no longer sure if you're talking to a real dog in pajamas | online or an AI pretending to be one. | lancesells wrote: | I find that a lot of Show HN (YC companies included) that make | it to the front page have the same problems. I usually don't | make comments on it but I find it crazy that someone would | launch either a paid product or something that takes your | private information without knowing where they exist or who | they are. | paint wrote: | It's also prominently asking you to upload a picture of your | face along the rest of the controls | TuringNYC wrote: | For a number of use cases, this would be most helpful if combine- | able with tools which move lips/cheeks to simulate speech. | However, the toolsets seem to be fractured at this point. Does | anyone have a good workflow for this? | bwooceli wrote: | Default human is a "Young Adult" woman, and the default "add | something" was "woman with tatoos". I changed ONE filter (from | young to Senior). It spun for about 20 seconds and then gave me | the same woman's face but older. She is also topless. I'm | impressed (?) | wedn3sday wrote: | I had very different default settings, so I think there's some | randomization going on here. | satvikpendem wrote: | How does it compare to https://photoai.com by Pieter Levels? | Zardoz84 wrote: | Wonderful dystopia we are creating | MPSimmons wrote: | What would a company do with 10,000 photorealistic photos of an | AI generated human... per month? | Icons8 wrote: | Train their models | DonsDiscountGas wrote: | On-demand generation of NPCs for video games? Or background | extras in movies? | | Or maybe a people trying clothes on virtually. | wpwpwpw wrote: | really easy to jailbreak nudes | dvngnt_ wrote: | > Thanks to our advanced AI algorithms, you won't tell generated | humans from real people | | If the images posted are the best they can do, then i have some | bad news from them | wredue wrote: | The first photo generated for me made everything look plastic. | Unnatural sharp lines on everything. Shadows from 5 different | directions. | | It's laughable to call these "hyperrealistic". | sdflhasjd wrote: | Marketing taking it too far as usual. They certainly have | mastered peak uncanny valley though, I'm not really sure what | this is useful for. | function_seven wrote: | I can count on one hand the number of ways these photos fail. | That's right, 6 ways. | nocman wrote: | Count Rugen sees no problem with this. | function_seven wrote: | Eh. On one hand, I guess it's no problem at all. But on the | other hand... | paint wrote: | If you encode a binary digit for each biological digit on | your hand you can count up to 32 on one hand. | albert_e wrote: | The first image i generated was worse than that | | A mermaid with plastic looking skin, and badly rendered ocean | water in background. | | https://generated.photos/human-generator/64d6dde03af7f90007c... | irrational wrote: | Looks as realistic as every other real mermaid I've seen ;-) | klyrs wrote: | I got exactly that image too! I guess the "random human" | isn't so random. This calls their "real time" claim into | question... | klyrs wrote: | Amusing. My first two "random human" samples had completely | ordinary uncanny valley issues (eye was smushed and blurry, | weirdly shark-like teeth in child's mouth). But the third looks | pretty good! ...for a 90s era povray Barbie doll model. | | https://generated.photos/human-generator/64d552c85263da00077... | dragonwriter wrote: | The text prompt for that image (one is generated for the | "random" images) is "barbie doll", so in this specific case its | not so much an imagegen problem as other parts of the app | design not matching the advertised behavior. | klyrs wrote: | Ah, funny. Their interface hid that box from me on my phone. | Weird choices all around. | ProjectArcturis wrote: | Seems rude how if you refuse their cookies they redirect you to | Google. | SrslyJosh wrote: | Refusing cookies redirects to Google? Kinda scummy. | DonsDiscountGas wrote: | Neat. I'd really like to have a setting for attractiveness, all | of these people look like models. | ozten wrote: | Congrats on the slick design! | | Ethnicity: American | | What does that mean in latent space and does this mostly | represent training bias? | Digit-Al wrote: | It's also got "Irish" but not "Scottish" or "English". Very | odd. | rendall wrote: | This was the first one I saw: https://generated.photos/human- | generator/64d67731568faa0007a... | ricardobeat wrote: | They are overselling the capabilities of their model a bit. The | boy posing has facial artifacts, and the first "human" I | generated is a painterly mermaid with a disjointed background. | Results from photoai.com or many models available on civit.ai | look a lot more realistic. | joker_minmax wrote: | Is it just me or is something kind of weird about all the breasts | on the example women? They all look really high-set - and | combined with the fact other people have gotten back nudes from | this tool (as shared in the comments below) - I'm thinking that | the dataset they used here was really catered to a "certain" | audience. | | Edit to add: It's not fast, it's showing you repeats of stuff of | already made in the first try. Which is probably why I got 5 men | in tight pink shirts eating cake in a row. ??? | sandgiant wrote: | The only thing I changed from the default parameters was Age == | Teenager. That resulted in this error: | | We detected that generated image contains nude content. Try | changing parameters. | | Not sure what to make of this, but it feels wrong, somehow? | | Edit: This was the prompt it generated for me on page load: | "Minerva McGonagall in Hogwarts, wearing Hogwarts robe and witch | hat" - https://generated.photos/human- | generator/64e650a39563e6000e0.... | thomastjeffery wrote: | "teen" is a ubiquitous porn category that, in practice, | describes a body type, not age; similar to how "babe" almost | never means "infant". | | I would be more surprised to get SFW results from that prompt, | considering the result would be based on more heavily regulated | (less common) photographs of minors. | mrguyorama wrote: | No, teen in porn absolutely means 18 and 19, or at least "I'm | '18-19' and definitely not a 26 year old" | Icons8 wrote: | Over self-censoring | izzydata wrote: | I got the same thing and am very confused. They are the ones | generating the image. Why did they generate porn if they don't | allow it? Also apparently clothed teenagers are now | pornographic? I think their image analysis needs some work. ___________________________________________________________________ (page generated 2023-08-23 23:00 UTC)