[HN Gopher] Space travel via tether between asteroids
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       Space travel via tether between asteroids
        
       Author : osivertsson
       Score  : 38 points
       Date   : 2023-09-01 19:44 UTC (3 hours ago)
        
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       | westurner wrote:
       | Space tether missions:
       | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Space_tether_missions :
       | 
       | > _A number of space tethers have been deployed in space
       | missions.[1] Tether satellites can be used for various purposes
       | including research into tether propulsion, tidal stabilisation
       | and orbital plasma dynamics._
       | 
       | Tether propulsion:
       | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tether_propulsion
       | 
       | How many RPMs/Hz are necessary for DC (or AC) motors?
        
         | westurner wrote:
         | How different are the physics for a [WebGL] simulator for body
         | kinematics and Poi/Glowstringing and a simulator for space
         | tethers in n-body gravity?
         | 
         | Poi (performance art) / _Glowstringinging_
         | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poi_(performance_art)
         | 
         | Poi spinning > Types of poi
         | https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poi_spinning
        
       | bmay wrote:
       | Kurzgesagt has a video on this topic:
       | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dqwpQarrDwk
        
         | chatmasta wrote:
         | I love Kurzgesagt videos. Sometimes I wonder if their Kanban
         | board starts with a team of people writing down all the
         | questions that pop into their head after smoking some loud...
        
       | jauntywundrkind wrote:
       | Fwiw, Neal Stephenson's Seveneves has a strong component of
       | tethered spacecraft.
       | 
       | Started slow but fun trajectory (for an _incredibly_ dark book).
       | Last 1 /3rd is basically a separate book.
        
         | mig39 wrote:
         | Sometimes I think Stephenson is more interested in world
         | building than in actually writing a novel. The novels are good,
         | sure, but the world building is the best part.
        
         | Nifty3929 wrote:
         | Stephenson's books are so much fun - until the end. They all
         | seem like they are all about the journey, but no destination.
         | 
         | I really would love to have a sequel to Seveneves that focuses
         | on the world from the last part of the book (trying to avoid a
         | spoiler here...)
        
           | dharmab wrote:
           | Anathem is one of the exceptions where I think the pace holds
           | up in the final act.
        
           | javajosh wrote:
           | "You either die a hero, or live long enough to see yourself
           | become the villain," or, for stories, "You either end the
           | story well, or you continue telling it until you get GoT
           | season 8."
        
             | causality0 wrote:
             | Or you just get bored and stop writing before resolving
             | anything. Looking at you, John Ringo.
        
         | KineticLensman wrote:
         | Tethers are a foundational technology in Seveneves, used e.g.
         | for linking orbiting pods into larger habitats, ascent from low
         | earth orbit, grabbing robots and many other applications
        
         | AndrewStephens wrote:
         | I have a theory that the first three quarters of that book were
         | supposed to be a 10 page prologue to set the scene but during
         | writing it really got away from the author.
        
       | JumpinJack_Cash wrote:
       | I will never understand those who want to travel to space.
       | Feeling the elements on the skin (air, wind, water, sun,
       | gravity..) is an essential part of adventure.
       | 
       | Billions of dollars and billions of miles after once you arrive
       | you can only observe, you can't feel anything because you have to
       | be in a spacesuit the whole time, no air, no gravity, no wind, no
       | plants, no water, when you can feel some air is artificial.
       | 
       | What's the point of it all? Hubble pics + a serious VR set
       | basically give you the same visual experience which is the only
       | thing that maybe could be worth about going there.
        
         | javajosh wrote:
         | I'll never understand those who don't want to travel to space.
         | It's an enormous universe we live in, and here we are, on one
         | (admittedly awesome) planet. There is a great deal to learn,
         | and many adventures to be had! Note that this same conversation
         | has happened many times in human history; some people are home
         | bodies, some people crave adventure, and ne'er the twain shall
         | meet. It's a deep-seated personality trait, and you can't
         | _reason_ people out of either position.
         | 
         | The other point (which is really why I responded) is to note
         | that space travel isn't just for humans. Robots, especially AI-
         | driven robots, may be able to explore and exploit our solar
         | system far better than bio humans ever could. It would make a
         | nice division of responsibility: we get the Earth and her
         | unique and valuable biosphere, they get the rest of the system
         | and it's vast resources. I believe the relationship could be
         | deeply symbiotic and fruitful for both cultures.
        
           | JumpinJack_Cash wrote:
           | > > has happened many times in human history
           | 
           | Nope , this is the first time that you won't find water,
           | plants, air when you arrive at destination.
           | 
           | Also the first time that you'll have to live forever in a
           | spacesuit, also the first time you won't be able to feel the
           | elements on your skin, say goodbye to rain, wind, sun on your
           | skin , smell of flowers, smell of rain on the soil etc.
           | 
           | The only thing that maybe is better there than on Earth is
           | the visuals, but that's also a question mark, not every
           | planet has a first row view of the Pillars of Creation. At
           | the same time the view of the Milky Way from Earth spots such
           | as the Atacama Desert is pretty spectacular, and for
           | everything else there is Hubble + VR.
        
           | debesyla wrote:
           | Question rises to me: what good could us offer to this AI?
        
         | bluescrn wrote:
         | Mostly the urge to explore and to learn. Partly a desire to
         | preserve the knowledge and culture that humanity has created in
         | the event of an extinction-level event on Earth.
         | 
         | Messing around in low-earth orbit, or even exploring our
         | nearest neighbours in the solar system is like dipping our toes
         | into a vast ocean. It's a first step on a much bigger
         | adventure, an adventure that won't happen in our lifetimes.
         | 
         | It may seem impossible now, but crossing oceans in sailing
         | ships, let alone aircraft, will have seemed impossible once.
        
           | JumpinJack_Cash wrote:
           | > > much bigger adventure
           | 
           | I believe that without the familiar elements waiting for us
           | at whatever the destination might be, it would be an asylum
           | not an adventure.
           | 
           | If you play a word association game using the word adventure
           | the first thing that realistically come up to mind are:
           | 
           | 1) Hike
           | 
           | 2) Mountain bike trail
           | 
           | 3) Motorcycle trip
           | 
           | 4) Boat trip
           | 
           | Etc. etc.
           | 
           | All the above adventure have the common thing that while you
           | are out and about you feel the elements very strongly on your
           | skin and all your 5 senses are intensely stimulated .
           | 
           | In space you'd be confined and in your spacesuit your whole
           | life and you'd also be confined in the spaceship or
           | artificial spaces. No stimulation at all, maybe only the
           | visuals would be stimulated but you'd be mostly staring at
           | empty space, and the space that is not empty such as clusters
           | and stars might be beautiful to look from afar but they are
           | so big that you can never quite touch them, unlike a flower
           | or a sequoia.
        
       | cwkoss wrote:
       | The Worms video game series has a fun item: ropes.
       | 
       | These ropes are rigid but you can vary the length, so you can do
       | a bunch of interesting pendulum behaviors to accelerate yourself.
       | 
       | If you had a long tether between two objects of different
       | weights, and the whole system is rotating, I feel like you could
       | get some interesting acceleration effects by rapidly shortening
       | the tether (assuming its strong enough to not snap)
        
         | IshKebab wrote:
         | Also Liero and Soldat. Liero was awesome.
        
           | speps wrote:
           | Liero IS awesome: https://www.webliero.com/
        
         | empyrrhicist wrote:
         | Core memory unlocked - my brothers and I got COMPETITIVE
         | playing Worms Armageddon on... I think Dreamcast?
        
       | tempodox wrote:
       | My mother said, "To get things done you'd better not mess with
       | Major Tom."
        
       | sigwinch28 wrote:
       | A rendition of this idea can be seen in the Halo TV adaptation. I
       | can't remember which episode(s) or find a good YouTube link right
       | now. But there's a settlement in an asteroid belt where the
       | people move around on cars attached to rails/tethers between the
       | asteroids.
        
         | thechao wrote:
         | These are rotating tethers used to launch to other
         | asteroids/planets. Not strings connecting rocks.
        
           | sigwinch28 wrote:
           | Oh then I have completely misunderstood the article! Oops.
        
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