[HN Gopher] Google was incorporated 25 years ago on September 4 ...
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       Google was incorporated 25 years ago on September 4 1998
        
       Author : cpymchn
       Score  : 54 points
       Date   : 2023-09-05 21:46 UTC (1 hours ago)
        
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 (TXT) w3m dump (about.google)
        
       | paxys wrote:
       | Without commenting on the direction of the company in recent
       | years and where it is today, I'll be forever grateful to Google
       | for setting the standard for how tech companies need to treat
       | their engineers.
       | 
       | People who have entered the industry in the last decade or two
       | may not realize it, but the sky high salaries, stock grants,
       | benefits, flexible work hours, free gourmet meals, stocked
       | pantries, gym memberships and lots more that you enjoy every day
       | are all thanks to Sergey and Larry in the early 00s wanting to
       | build a Disneyland for nerds. They were so successful at it that
       | the rest of the industry had no option but to emulate them. Being
       | a software engineer was nowhere near as enticing a job pre-
       | Google.
        
         | russ wrote:
         | 100%. My dad was an electrical engineer in the 70s and 80s and
         | ended up transitioning to sales, given that it paid much more.
        
         | paulddraper wrote:
         | I seem to recall that at one point Microsoft guaranteed to
         | match Google's offers, because Google had clearly figured out
         | how to hire the best engineers.
        
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           | VirusNewbie wrote:
           | It certainly doesn't seem that way now, unless there is a
           | massive skew in titles (maybe an L4 at Google is given Senior
           | Engineer 2 at MSFT or something?)
        
         | ghaff wrote:
         | I'm not sure how much of it is Google and how much is just a
         | broader collection of SV companies, but engineering salaries,
         | including software, in general were much more conventional
         | professional salaries until at least the dot-com era. I started
         | with a computer company for about $40K in the mid-80s so a bit
         | over $100K today with nothing special with repect to other
         | benefits.
        
         | drewg123 wrote:
         | Yes, no. They are also a major proponent of open office space,
         | and (at least the group that I worked for was) very intolerant
         | of remote work pre-pandemic. It was very grating to see all
         | these showy spaces (cafes, gyms, theaters, climbing walls, ball
         | pits etc) that were featured in the REWS (Google Real Estate
         | and Workplace Services) newsletters, with absolutely no focus
         | on the overcrowded open office spaces that engineers were
         | forced to work in.
         | 
         | I left Google for Netflix mostly because of my inability to
         | work remotely for Google, and the group I work for in Netflix
         | being remote friendly.
        
         | shortrounddev2 wrote:
         | Google has lost lawsuits for colluding with Apple to suppress
         | the wages of its employees
        
         | psychoslave wrote:
         | Hmm, I still fail to realize that, as except flexible work
         | hours, none of this is matching my experience as a software
         | engineer. I live in Europe though.
         | 
         | It's not that I complain of my situation: I'm healthy, have a
         | loving family, and work with a great team which is full of
         | kindness and which is part of an international group, something
         | that let me exchange with people from all around the world as
         | part of my job in a full remote position.
         | 
         | So this is just to say that not all SE live in this ultra-
         | privileged bubble. :)
        
         | jhp123 wrote:
         | thank you oh benevolent Google, for allowing supply and demand
         | to set labor prices after the DOJ shut down your wage fixing
         | scheme
        
       | frank_bb wrote:
       | [dead]
        
       | mooreds wrote:
       | Interesting podcast which touches on this too:
       | https://www.marketplace.org/shows/marketplace-morning-report...
        
         | paulpauper wrote:
         | Tivo became a verb too but it only a tiny tiny as fraction as
         | big of a company. I think found it convenient to say
        
       | jjoonathan wrote:
       | > The goals of the advertising business model do not always
       | correspond to providing quality search to users.
       | 
       | - Sergey Brin and Lawrence Page, The Anatomy of a Large-Scale
       | Hypertextual Web Search Engine
        
         | crazygringo wrote:
         | But fortunately market competition ensures that a higher-
         | quality search engine is only ever a click away.
         | 
         | So the bar for quality search is always going to remain pretty
         | high, in order not to simply go out of business.
        
           | throw_awy_1 wrote:
           | And here's 20 Billion dollars that disagrees with you. If
           | switching was just a "click away" why would Google pay Apple
           | $20B per year to be the default search for iOS etc.
           | 
           | https://macdailynews.com/2023/02/21/google-pays-
           | apple-20-bil...
        
       | ChatGTP wrote:
       | Thanks for all the rubbish...
        
       | dnw wrote:
       | And their first data center contract on 28/09/1998
       | https://x.com/uhoelzle/status/1442040678167375877
        
         | blamazon wrote:
         | How do I see the rest of this thread? I can only see one tweet.
        
           | therealmarv wrote:
           | https://nitter.net/uhoelzle/status/1442040678167375877
        
             | blamazon wrote:
             | TY! That was interesting and I learned that their first
             | servers can be viewed in various museums. While web
             | searching that, I found this interesting tangent, a Lego
             | cased storage array from 1996:
             | 
             | http://infolab.stanford.edu/pub/voy/museum/pictures/display
             | /...
        
       | ctoth wrote:
       | This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded
       | as a bad move.
        
         | paulddraper wrote:
         | (The creation of the universe, as described by the Hitchhiker's
         | Guide to the Galaxy)
        
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