[HN Gopher] Salt Taste Is Surprisingly Mysterious
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       Salt Taste Is Surprisingly Mysterious
        
       Author : Tomte
       Score  : 12 points
       Date   : 2023-09-15 19:53 UTC (3 hours ago)
        
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       | r0m4n0 wrote:
       | Also, salt is the only mineral humans consume in raw form!
        
         | badtension wrote:
         | What about iodine?
        
       | hinkley wrote:
       | > But the real number is actually six, because we have two
       | separate salt-taste systems. One of them detects the attractive,
       | relatively low levels of salt that make potato chips taste
       | delicious. The other one registers high levels of salt--enough to
       | make overly salted food offensive and deter overconsumption.
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       | I can imagine a future scenario where, in the interests of public
       | health, someone figures out how to transliterate the 'too much
       | salt' genes to 'too much sugar' genes.
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       | Of the various ways that I could see human augmentation play out
       | for the better rather than the worse, I'd rank that right behind
       | tetrachromacy and hypoxia genes (particularly for Martians and
       | Lunatics)
        
         | satvikpendem wrote:
         | One must be careful when editing the germ line. Imagine that
         | your gene changes were propagated but a disaster befalls the
         | planet such that calories are now scarce as had been dozens of
         | millennia ago. Those who couldn't eat enough food or consume
         | enough sugar-based calories could die out, and if there are
         | enough of those kinds of people among the population, the
         | population size could reduce significantly.
        
         | koolba wrote:
         | > I can imagine a future scenario where, in the interests of
         | public health, someone figures out how to transliterate the
         | 'too much salt' genes to 'too much sugar' genes.
         | 
         | Doing it for the masses "for their own good" is quite
         | dystopian. But doing it for yourself is easy and no gene
         | therapy is required. Just cut out sweet foods and after not too
         | long normal foods like bread will taste sweet, and sweetened
         | foods will taste unnaturally toxic.
        
           | MostlyStable wrote:
           | "simple" and "easy" are very much not the same thing.
        
             | Supermancho wrote:
             | Also making different choices is not the same thing as what
             | the OP suggested.
        
       | freitzkriesler2 wrote:
       | I always wondered if it is the sodium or the chlorine that
       | triggers the flavor. Unfortunately licking raw sodium would
       | explode and elemental chlorine is a gas that burns - \ _ ( tsu )
       | _ / -
        
         | hinkley wrote:
         | Potassium chloride tastes a lot like salt, but not exactly.
         | Which I think means that it's some sort of 80/20 ratio.
         | 
         | Also one of my favorite science thought experiments from the
         | last few years: What ~~does hydrogen~~ do protons taste like?
        
           | stouset wrote:
           | Hydrogen _ions_. More specifically, protons.
           | 
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           | zbyrphyrf juvpu unir serr cbfvgvir ulqebtra vbaf (nxn
           | cebgbaf). Cebgbaf gnfgr fbhe.
        
             | hinkley wrote:
             | I knew there was something wrong with that phrasing, thank
             | you.
             | 
             | Turns out they taste like burning (acid, in particular).
        
           | Traubenfuchs wrote:
           | > Potassium chloride tastes a lot like salt
           | 
           | Not at all, it's disgusting. The idea of replacing NaCl with
           | it is laughable.
        
             | crazygringo wrote:
             | It's not though? I can't really tell the difference at
             | normal food salt levels.
             | 
             | For people with hypertension it's a fantastic replacement.
             | Or even if you're concerned about low potassium.
             | 
             | I mean, Morton sells it as salt replacement in little salt
             | shakers in the grocery store. It's pretty mainstream.
        
         | Traubenfuchs wrote:
         | I don't think that question makes sense. This is like asking
         | whether the H or the O makes water wet: It's the combination.
        
           | MostlyStable wrote:
           | Except that NaCl dissolves into sodium and chloride ions in
           | water. in any context in which you are actually tasting it,
           | you are not tasting NaCl, you are tasting some combination of
           | Na+ and Cl-, at which point, asking which (if either) is the
           | one driving the experience.
        
         | janci wrote:
         | Somebody tried to find out:
         | https://youtu.be/RJh9yTIBY48?si=7YWV6WbZ3mAWE0Si
        
         | Synaesthesia wrote:
         | Ions are very different to the atomic form. For instance copper
         | is the familiar red-brown metal. Cu2+ ions though, are blue and
         | dissolve in water. Clearly they are entirely different species.
        
       | Synaesthesia wrote:
       | Still kinda disturbs me that scientists will routinely do some
       | kind of genetic or other biological modification of say, a mouse,
       | and then when the results are in, simply kill the animal and
       | dispose of it.
        
         | ChatGTP wrote:
         | This is why we worry about robot take over, it's because we're
         | assholes, we worry we'll create bigger, better assholes.
        
           | hinkley wrote:
           | We talk about which scientists we should put in charge of AI
           | and I think that's all wrong. The self-preserving question is
           | which _philosophers_ should we put in charge? And which group
           | of developmental psychologists should be auditing their work?
           | 
           | Teach
           | 
           | your children well
           | 
           | Their father's hell did slowly go by
           | 
           | Feed them on your dreams
           | 
           | The one they pick's the one you'll know by
           | 
           | ...
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           | And know they love you
        
         | satvikpendem wrote:
         | What else can they do with them?
        
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