[HN Gopher] Layoffs.fyi
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       Layoffs.fyi
        
       Author : hammock
       Score  : 85 points
       Date   : 2023-09-16 20:28 UTC (2 hours ago)
        
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       | iwonthecase wrote:
       | The time series chart shows a pretty strong decrease in the
       | number of layoffs the last month, which is something I've noticed
       | on the opposite side, where I'm getting a lot more interviews
       | recently. Might just be my imagination though.
       | 
       | Also I did some analysis on this dataset a few months ago, and it
       | seems like layoffs tend to happen near the beginning of the
       | month, but I'm not sure why that would be.
       | 
       | Also, as an aside, this doesn't cover all places and I'd guess
       | smaller startups would be less likely to show up. My last place
       | went from about 45 to 10 employees over the last year (layoffs,
       | RTO bs, terminations for "performance," etc.) and isn't on this
       | list, for example.
        
       | tempsy wrote:
       | I'm mostly interested in forced resignations due to not wanting
       | to RTO.
       | 
       | The flip side is impact to "zoom towns" that were booming with
       | remote workers and whether a bunch of new listings from RTO
       | workers will drag certain housing markets lower
        
       | cle wrote:
       | It would be interesting to count people who were likely forced
       | out due to return-to-office mandates.
        
         | cebert wrote:
         | I'm a huge proponent of RTO, but that's a personal decision not
         | a layoff.
        
           | paxys wrote:
           | It's not a personal decision when the job was advertised as
           | fully remote, you were hired in city A with the expectation
           | that you would continue to live there, and then a few months
           | later the company said "move your family 2000 miles to city B
           | or resign".
           | 
           | If the company changes the terms of employment and you don't
           | accept the new terms, that's not on you. The company is the
           | one deciding to fire you, plain and simple.
        
             | paulcole wrote:
             | If the company can change the terms of employment and you
             | somehow believed that your job was fully remote forever
             | that's on you.
        
           | finikytou wrote:
           | its not a decision when it is forced...
        
             | halfjoking wrote:
             | Tell that to the vaccine mandate crowd.
             | 
             | Potentially harmful, forced gene therapy injections weren't
             | in my original employment contract, just like in-office
             | work wasn't in fully remote workers contract.
        
             | cebert wrote:
             | The employee chose not to return to the office though.
        
               | toomuchtodo wrote:
               | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constructive_dismissal
        
               | tnel77 wrote:
               | Hard to argue with that logic.
        
               | gusgus01 wrote:
               | There's definitely still a discussion around the concept
               | of constructive dismissal that could be had. Although a
               | lot of that has to do with the exact parameters of the
               | RTO, so it would be company to company.
        
               | toomuchtodo wrote:
               | I have provided guidance to several folks over the last
               | few years with regards to taking a remote role. I have
               | told all of them to require in their offer letter that
               | the role be defined as remote without an in office
               | component (it helps if you don't take a role at an org
               | that has an office within 50 miles of your home address).
               | I have also provided them with contact information for an
               | employment attorney who will provide a letter to their
               | employer with regards to their employment arrangement
               | being remote. In no cases has the employer successfully
               | required the employee return to office, and only once was
               | the attorney necessary to push the issue.
               | 
               | n=1. If you're taking a remote role, have it codified in
               | your offer letter. Retain that as an artifact in the
               | event you need to engage legally. Always be prepared for
               | your job to end at any time due to the state of US
               | employment, but also set yourself up for success whenever
               | possible.
               | 
               | And if you're not organizing and unionizing to secure
               | remote work as a right at your org, you should consider
               | it. Very favorable environment at the moment to do so.
        
               | lmeyerov wrote:
               | ACT 1
               | 
               | "We're hiring remote, being in NYC or London or Peru is
               | totally fine, geographic diversity of talent is a
               | strength! Own your schedule!"
               | 
               | ACT 2
               | 
               | "Sorry folks, we just had a downround, can't control the
               | market.
               | 
               | BTW in totally unrelated news, RTO next week. Folks in
               | NYC & London & Peru, you can keep your job, just move to
               | SF HQ. We will not pay for movers, higher SF
               | compensation, etc. Also, it's starting on Monday, no
               | excuses: We can't wait for your kids to finish the school
               | year, your wife to get a new medical specialist, nor help
               | you find a preschool for your youngest. I know it's
               | annoying, it took me a year to get through a waitlist for
               | ours, haha SF. Totally not a layoff... though HR does
               | tell us to expect 10-20% attrition..."
        
               | arrowsmith wrote:
               | Is this legal?
        
       | exgl wrote:
       | Notable that the latest layoff there (and a pretty large one, at
       | that) is Airtable, which is the system the site relies heavily
       | upon.
        
         | tibbon wrote:
         | Is this dog fooding the app?
        
       | syndicatedjelly wrote:
       | Why is it okay to list the specific employees who were laid off?
       | What if they don't want that information to be publicized to the
       | internet?
        
         | yreg wrote:
         | Those lists shouldn't contain people who haven't submitted
         | their names themselves.
        
           | JoRyGu wrote:
           | Shouldn't as in they might contain names against people's
           | consent and that's bad, or shouldn't as in there is some
           | process in place for people to submit their names and they
           | derive the data from that process?
        
           | Bluecobra wrote:
           | If you go to the "Lists of Employees Laid Off" there's a link
           | to a Google spreadsheet. It seems to be gleaned/scraped from
           | LinkedIn, so I guess if you keep your profile up to date you
           | will show up in this list...
        
             | mkmk wrote:
             | Typically these lists are created by one of the laid off
             | employees or the HR team that laid them off, and are opt-
             | in. They are circulated to help those who were laid off
             | find new jobs.
        
             | syndicatedjelly wrote:
             | That's not cool at all
        
               | ssnistfajen wrote:
               | Why? LinkedIn is public info. These people willingly
               | posted on LinkedIn about changes in their job statuses.
               | 
               | The amount of details contained in these spreadsheets
               | (previous job title, YoE, location, work preferences,
               | contact info, etc.) are pretty clearly meant to match
               | with potential employers
        
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       | shrikant wrote:
       | Is this crowd sourced, or is there an element of curation? My ex-
       | employer is on there twice as Kape and Kape Technologies.
        
         | toomuchtodo wrote:
         | It is crowdsourced but also curated by an individual.
        
       | dcoleyoung1 wrote:
       | true aficionados of tech booms remember
       | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fucked_Company
        
         | garrickvanburen wrote:
         | Legend
        
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