[HN Gopher] America's advanced manufacturing problem and how to ...
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       America's advanced manufacturing problem and how to fix it
        
       Author : mjn
       Score  : 13 points
       Date   : 2023-09-16 21:32 UTC (1 hours ago)
        
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       | peepeepoopoo36 wrote:
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       | mensetmanusman wrote:
       | I work in one of the last remaining large industrial
       | manufacturing labs in the US. Some of my colleagues worked at
       | Bell before that was shuttered.
       | 
       | My sense from talking to the previous generation is that
       | financialization of the US has started (finally) failing the
       | American people.
       | 
       | The previous generation cashed in on major profits by off shoring
       | (Kodak), but we overdid it.
       | 
       | In a round about way our company is run by pension funds, and I
       | work on projects that would get 8-9 figure investments if we were
       | doing this in APEC, but we would rather have stock buybacks, so
       | we end up getting 6 figures and puttering along.
       | 
       | Meanwhile the higher ups wonder 'what happened to R&D?!'
        
         | version_five wrote:
         | I work on projects that would get 8-9 figure investments if we
         | were doing this in APEC
         | 
         | Are the apac equivalents of those projects generating returns
         | commensurate with the extra investment? Or is it a strategic
         | choice that they typically focus more on advanced manufacturing
         | while the US focuses more on software? I'm just wondering what
         | the right way to think about this is.
        
       | lemonwaterlime wrote:
       | The key topics missing from this article are management and
       | culture. Manufacturing companies by and large are stubborn with
       | outdated practices that haven't kept up with the times. The
       | number of mechanical engineers who switched to web development,
       | for instance, because of poor pay and improper management is
       | insane. And during the pandemic, even more either fled or were
       | pushed out from lack of opportunity. It's easy to blame these
       | policies and say that industries aren't connected, but when these
       | firms are refusing to embrace new technologies and take
       | calculated risks, they do this to themselves all by themselves.
       | 
       | They commonly keep employees using the simplest heuristics that
       | someone at some point in the past developed which worked then, so
       | why break it? And they push this mediocrity throughout the entire
       | organization and industry. Then they swap out one failed CEO for
       | the same person with a different name like a pair of gloves,
       | wondering what ever happened as there was nothing more that could
       | be done. Meanwhile their ageist management policies block out the
       | insights of the young, all but ensuring that no new ideas are
       | brought into the mix--all until it's time for another bailout.
        
       | mdorazio wrote:
       | Here are the key points the article suggests (it spends quite a
       | long time explaining how we got here):
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       | 1) Improve the [government sponsored] Manufacturing Institutes
       | 
       | 2) [federally] Back R&D for manufacturing technologies
       | 
       | 3) Provide scale-up financing [by the government]
       | 
       | 4) Use government procurement power to promote new manufacturing
       | technologies
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       | 5) Direct production support [to sectors deemed critical]
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       | 6) Provide both "top-down" [gov picks a tech and supports
       | development of it] and "bottom-up" [broad incentives like IRA]
       | support
       | 
       | 7) Build a manufacturing focus into existing industrial policy
       | programs
       | 
       | 8) Map and fill gaps in supply chains
       | 
       | 9) Fix workforce education [by refocusing on legitimate
       | vocational tracks]
       | 
       | 10) Put someone in charge [of coordinating agencies, budgets, and
       | efforts]
       | 
       | This is all effectively trying to copy large segments of the
       | China playbook, but in my opinion it misses some rather important
       | points. Namely, protectionism and implicit incentives. On the
       | first point, you can't really compete with China when it is
       | actively hostile to foreign companies and de facto encourages
       | outright theft of knowledge and expertise in exchange for access
       | to its market. As long as we have a significant portion of people
       | yelling about "trade wars don't solve anything" any time someone
       | proposes leveling the playing field, competition is a nonstarter.
       | 
       | On the second point, the elephant in the room is that smart
       | people in the US can make 2-3X as much in software or finance as
       | they can in manufacturing, so what do you think they're going to
       | pick? Which company is private investment going to fund - the
       | SaaS co. with 40% margins and rapid growth or the manufacturing
       | co. scraping 10% margins and 5% CAGR? It's hard to see where the
       | skilled labor and private investment side of the equation is
       | supposed to come from when the incentives are so mismatched - you
       | almost have to find a way to decrease incentives in the currently
       | lucrative pools first.
        
         | mschuster91 wrote:
         | > On the second point, the elephant in the room is that smart
         | people in the US can make 2-3X as much in software or finance
         | as they can in manufacturing, so what do you think they're
         | going to pick?
         | 
         | Make unions stronger and kill off all of Wall Street finance
         | shenanigans that's purely devoted to creating money out of thin
         | air or skimming (especially HFT). That house of cards is going
         | to crash hard anyway, so best tear it down in a controlled
         | fashion than risk _yet another_ 2008-style uncontrolled
         | implosion.
        
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