[HN Gopher] Replanting logged forests with diverse seedlings acc...
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       Replanting logged forests with diverse seedlings accelerates
       restoration
        
       Author : myshpa
       Score  : 221 points
       Date   : 2023-09-18 13:44 UTC (9 hours ago)
        
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       | atourgates wrote:
       | I did a quick look to see if this only worked in tropical
       | forests, or if this would be true in, say, Western North American
       | forests.
       | 
       | I didn't really find an answer.
       | 
       | A study[1] in Virgina found that planting multiple varieties of
       | trees was beneficial because it allowed the variety that was most
       | suitable for that location to thrive, and survive problems that
       | might affect other varieties.
       | 
       | A study[2] in Washington State tested a couple varities of common
       | conifers planted in pairs, and found more conventional "trees are
       | affected by competition" result.
       | 
       | This study[3] performed in the inter-mountain West found that
       | some conifers _may_ benefit from being mixed with aspens, but
       | didn't seem nearly as conclusive as the Borneo study.
       | 
       | If anyone can find a more conclusive study about temperate
       | Western forests, I'd love to see it.
       | 
       | [1] https://www.si.edu/newsdesk/releases/tree-species-
       | diversity-...
       | 
       | [2] https://cdnsciencepub.com/doi/10.1139/X09-040
       | 
       | [3]
       | https://besjournals.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1111...
        
         | comboy wrote:
         | Forest is a complex ecosystem and based on some books [1][2] my
         | understanding is that fungi plays a huge role in them. They
         | provide a lot of things that trees need in exchange for what
         | they need, they also create kind of a market which allows trees
         | even from different species exchange their resources. Different
         | trees have different strong sides and can make use of different
         | conditions. Perhaps this, thanks to the huge forestweb
         | underneath allows them to thrive.
         | 
         | Also, trees like to grow slow and solid. Older trees from the
         | same specie will feed small tree hidden in their shadow and
         | provide it necessary resources so that when some bigger tree
         | falls and it can take it place, it can also grow faster. It's
         | possible that when there's competition between species they
         | grow faster because there's a fight for sunlight. The year's
         | growth will be bigger and wood would be less dense (but it is
         | sold by volume).
         | 
         | 1. The Hidden Life of Trees, Peter Wohlleben
         | 
         | 2. Entangled Life, Merlin Sheldrake
        
         | hosh wrote:
         | There's a more thoughtful way of designing this. In the
         | permaculture world, these would be called "guilds". Species are
         | selected with an understanding of canopy layers (so that plants
         | don't compete for sunlight and can still fill in spaces at each
         | canopy layer), and ecological function (such as, nitrogen
         | fixer, dynamic accumulators, pollinator attractors, habitats,
         | etc)
         | 
         | If you randomly mix up species in temperate forests that are
         | all competing in the same canopy layer, I can see more
         | competition. A study done where say, a mix of overstory,
         | understory, and shrub (such as berries), would be more
         | insightful.
        
           | voisin wrote:
           | I'd love to see a resource where someone could select their
           | location and have example guilds like this provided. Every
           | time I've looked it seemed like the only way to find out was
           | to take a permaculture design course which is well beyond the
           | limits of my interest.
        
             | hosh wrote:
             | This is a good video on the specific design principles for
             | guilds, from Canandian Permaculture Legacy at:
             | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XLPUN2wGbwA
             | 
             | And yeah, site analysis is where I would start:
             | 
             | 1. "Where Am I?"
             | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-XNiacRhzuM
             | 
             | 2. "Sectors" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=233GgYhtoGs&li
             | st=PLNdMkGYdEq...
             | 
             | 3. "Zones" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CaUlnvGhnho&list
             | =PLNdMkGYdEq...
             | 
             | 4. "Slope" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=McopD04XP3s&list
             | =PLNdMkGYdEq...
             | 
             | These will inform you of how everything comes together, and
             | it starts with an understand of your place on earth
             | (particularly, the lat/lng and how that affects the sun
             | cycle; then regional forces that is discussed in "Sectors".
             | Then you designs zones on your site based on how much human
             | contact you have.
             | 
             | You can get the rest of the Oregon State University PDC
             | lectures from Andrew Millison from https://www.youtube.com/
             | playlist?list=PLNdMkGYdEqOCvZ7qcgS3e...
             | 
             | Permaculture is very heavy on design, even if the end
             | result doesn't look like it.
             | 
             | And yes, I had thought of creating a mod for an open source
             | CAD that can pull in knowledge bases and databases as a
             | permaculture design assistant. For example, there is a
             | researcher whose lifetime work was to collect nutritional
             | information for plants from all over the world so that
             | people can select a nutritionally complete set of native
             | plants. It's not more widely known because that knowledge
             | base is locked into a desktop dbms from before web apps.
        
         | hinkley wrote:
         | Suzanne Simard has a bunch of chemical analysis that says yes,
         | and most of her testing was in the PNW and western Canada (BC
         | and... Alberta?)
         | 
         | A lot of the other literature on the complex relationship of
         | soils and trees (and trees and trees via soil life) were
         | instigated by her observations.
         | 
         | She was trying to get NW foresters to stop bathing everything
         | in herbicides before replanting clearcuts. They always
         | struggled more than anticipated.
        
           | voisin wrote:
           | Related: https://stopthespraybc.com/
        
         | swader999 wrote:
         | BC can have three our four species in play on the coast,
         | interior and east typically has pine and spruce. You could
         | argue for balsam but that is crap wood and it grows back on its
         | own typically. I don't know about tropical reforestation, but
         | in Canada the notion that we are replanting with only mono
         | species isn't true. They leave seed trees standing and source
         | cones directly from the logged blocks. It's very well done and
         | highly regulated. Blocks that don't grow back are replanted
         | again until they do.
         | 
         | Canada replants 600 million trees annually, USA about 1
         | billion.
         | 
         | Trees grow so much faster than they did a decade ago. CO2 is to
         | 'blame'. I help maintain ski runs at my favorite ski hill and
         | it's ridiculous how much more work it is now. Alpine areas that
         | never in history had trees are beginning to get overrun.
        
           | [deleted]
        
           | nerpderp82 wrote:
           | The sub-alpine line is rising in elevation due to increased
           | warming.
           | 
           | https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7696691/
        
             | swader999 wrote:
             | Is it T or CO2?
        
           | rcostin2k2 wrote:
           | They grow faster but weaker, with lower density (cf.
           | https://doi.org/10.1016/j.foreco.2018.07.045)
        
           | voisin wrote:
           | Roughly where are you in BC? I am in Cranbrook and haven't
           | seen the seed trees left standing in logged blocks but maybe
           | I've missed them somehow.
           | 
           | Isn't part of the issue that historically there would've been
           | more deciduous trees that acted as natural fire breaks and
           | now loggers only are allowed to replant coniferous?
        
             | swader999 wrote:
             | I've planted all over BC. Seed trees started being a thing
             | early nineties and they don't do it everywhere. Quite often
             | its because there aren't species needed as seed trees that
             | won't already grow back are already slated for nursery
             | production and replanting.
             | 
             | Smaller block sizes act this way too, the boundaries are
             | seeded from the older growth on the perimeter.
             | 
             | Deciduous trees like poplar, Adler, and birch are like
             | weeds and will grow very quickly and compete for a time
             | with replanted trees. Eventually the evergreens tend to
             | choke them out by taking over the canopy and changing the
             | soil with their needles.
        
               | twunde wrote:
               | You may also hear this practice called selective
               | cutting/lumbering. Essentially they leave trees in ones
               | or twos scattered through to reseed the area around it.
        
               | swader999 wrote:
               | Yeah maybe, selective cutting looks different though,
               | like 1-2 hectare pieces and roads everywhere. This seed
               | trees thing has blocks up to about 90 hectares that are
               | rectangles with ten or twenty trees still standing in it.
        
         | myshpa wrote:
         | > If anyone can find a more conclusive study about temperate
         | Western forests, I'd love to see it.
         | 
         | I didn't. But there's no reason why it shouldn't work there.
         | 
         | https://www.scmp.com/news/china/science/article/2167048/fore...
         | 
         | Forest study in China finds mix of trees can absorb twice as
         | much carbon as areas with one species
         | 
         |  _More than 60 scientists from China, Switzerland and Germany
         | were involved in the research, testing a hypothesis based on
         | observations in the field._
         | 
         |  _"The study shows that forests are not all the same when it
         | comes to climate protection - monocultures achieve not even
         | half of the desired ecosystem service," Schmid said. "The full
         | level of mitigation of global warming can only be achieved with
         | a mix of species. In addition, species-rich forests also
         | contribute towards protecting the world's threatened
         | biodiversity."_
         | 
         |  _Such forests were also less vulnerable to disease and extreme
         | weather events, which are becoming increasingly frequent as a
         | result of climate change, Schmid said._
        
           | rolph wrote:
           | there was a time when logging an area, and subsequent
           | monospecific replanting had a name.
           | 
           | it was called a tree farm
           | 
           | there was a commercialized ignorance of what forest actually
           | was.
        
             | hinkley wrote:
             | There was a scary forest ghost story a few years ago and
             | all of the trailers and the PR shots showed neat, tightly
             | spaced rows of firs.
             | 
             | That's not a forest it's a fucking tree farm.
             | 
             | Now is there a Princess Mononoke style paranormal revenge
             | story out there for destroying the forest? Absolutely. But
             | this ain't it.
        
           | RetroTechie wrote:
           | _" Such forests were also less vulnerable to disease and
           | extreme weather events, which are becoming increasingly
           | frequent as a result of climate change, Schmid said."_
           | 
           | That might well be an underestimated aspect. We _don 't know_
           | how climate will change locally, what pests will spread
           | where, what species will turn out best adapted to future
           | conditions, or what species turn out to be keystones in
           | specific ecosystems. So we should strive for having as
           | diverse a set of flora anywhere. Success factors are varied,
           | complex & interconnected.
           | 
           | Climate changes so fast that past 'performance' of species in
           | an area is of little value. Those trees are going to stand
           | there 20, 50 or 100y from now. What will local climate be
           | then? Take your guess / throw the dice.
        
             | hinkley wrote:
             | Simard proved that deep rooted trees pull up water that
             | ends up in shallow rooted plants, and that evergreens share
             | sugars with deciduous trees in early spring, and then the
             | direction reverses during the height of photosynthesis.
             | Specifically in the case of water, the trees cannot
             | transport enough water to keep up with peak transpiration,
             | so they slowly dry out. But all night long they're still
             | pulling up more water, more than they can use, more than
             | they can store, and some of the excess ends up in their
             | neighbors, through capillary action or the rhizosphere.
             | 
             | There's an implication of intent here, regarding plant-to-
             | plant transport and fairness, that I think is more likely
             | explained by osmotic pressure. Entropy itself is 'fair' in
             | this regard. Fungal hyphae aren't designed to manage huge
             | nutrient or water gradients. In fact they seem to be
             | designed to communicate information at an alarming speed.
             | Which we still do not entirely understand.
        
       | karaterobot wrote:
       | I'm not an expert, but I had thought that observing that
       | monocultures created a weak forest ecosystem was one of the
       | foundational concepts behind modern forestry--a centuries old
       | discipline. This seems like an obvious corollary to that. I would
       | have assumed it yesterday, before reading this article, and I
       | assume most people would have thought the same. Again, I'm not an
       | expert, so I'm likely missing something. And sometimes you just
       | need a study to provide evidence for common sense.
        
         | anon84873628 wrote:
         | Just one of those situations where science needs to get the
         | ducks in a row and ensure incontrovertible proof.
        
         | kderbyma wrote:
         | it's a blinding glimpse of the obvious
        
       | ccooffee wrote:
       | Someone logged a 500 hectare plot in Borneo. They split this into
       | 125 sections and planted 0, 1, 4, or 16 "tree species that are
       | frequently targeted for logging". After 20 years, satellite
       | imagery shows that the more tree species you planted, the more
       | recovered the land appears to be.
       | 
       | I'm left wondering:
       | 
       | 1. Why did they plant only tree species that are frequently
       | targeted for logging? This makes the whole experiment very
       | suspect. The linked article talks a lot about restoring forests,
       | but why restrict the tree species to those that are profitable to
       | log?
       | 
       | 2. Is the satellite imagery actually representative of on-the-
       | ground truth? A lot of logging land in western America gets
       | replanted with logging-friendly trees in very regular grid
       | patterns. These areas may look like forests from satellites (or
       | to uninformed ground-level visitors), but the regrown tree farms
       | do not behave like forests. The dense growth crowds out the
       | ground-level plants, which in turn makes the entire tree farm a
       | poor habitat for local fauna. If your goal is to grow more trees
       | for lumber, tree farms are great. But I'm not sure the claims
       | about "forest restoration" are honest/true here.
        
         | liotier wrote:
         | Between clear-cut horror and ideal pristine old growth, there
         | is a world of managed forests that fix carbon with an
         | economically sustainable model. Not the best biodiversity but
         | mixing sixteen species makes the initiative top tear already.
        
           | unglaublich wrote:
           | And generally, these forests are subdivided in plots of
           | different 'age'. Every year, they will log 1/20th of the
           | forest or so. The wildlife might be able to move from an
           | affected area to one of the bordering areas.
           | 
           | In fact, this model comes quite close to natural destruction
           | of forests, where old trees would fall over, and wildfires
           | would rage.
           | 
           | The only difference is that the process is not random, but
           | nicely planned and managed to allow _humans_ instead of
           | _wildfires and storms_ to reap the full-grown timber.
        
         | soperj wrote:
         | > 1. Why did they plant only tree species that are frequently
         | targeted for logging? This makes the whole experiment very
         | suspect. The linked article talks a lot about restoring
         | forests, but why restrict the tree species to those that are
         | profitable to log?
         | 
         | Because the whole point of tree planting is forest management.
         | That's why whenever there's a forest fire they spray it with
         | glyphosate so that other trees don't grow, then they plant GMO
         | trees that can live in glyphosate doused soil.
        
           | drone wrote:
           | Glyphosate is not soil active, so there are no "trees that
           | can grow in glyphosate-doused soil."
           | 
           | The primary reason for broad herbicide treatment as part of
           | site prep is to avoid low-value, or ecologically opportunist
           | species that thrive in disturbed soil/land, and prevent
           | either the target species from growing, or create an
           | environment which lacks the diversity necessary for the
           | region. For example, sweetgum, huisache, black locust,
           | chinese tallow (as examples from specific regions in the US),
           | will all take over and completely dominate a deforested
           | section and prevent oaks, pines, etc. and appropriate forb
           | for wildlife without consistent, ongoing burns.
           | 
           | FWIW, there are no "trees which are GMOd to live with
           | glyphosate application" - you're thinking non-tree crops.
           | Nearly every softwood and hardwood tree is susceptible to
           | damage from Glyphosate.
        
             | dudeofea wrote:
             | why not plant other species to out-compete the invasive
             | ones?
             | 
             | why do we need to perform chemotherapy on our forests?
        
               | drone wrote:
               | Only one of the trees I listed was invasive, the others
               | are opportunistic natives to their regions that will
               | outgrow everything else.
               | 
               | The nice "diverse" forest you're thinking of in your mind
               | took a long time to become that way, the normal state of
               | nature is to not create a perfect balance out of the
               | gate, but for constant competition and regularly have to
               | cycle through multiple iterations of configuration which
               | are, by all means, not as productive or valuable for
               | wildlife/nature as their final states. None of that means
               | that using a herbicide is sufficient, but without, you're
               | looking at potentially hundreds of years to get back a
               | usable environment for wildlife that is well-balanced vs
               | 10's of years.
               | 
               | Outside of a few soil-active herbicides, most of what
               | they use is one-and-done and can be applied selectively
               | to only problem plants with minimal unintended
               | consequences.
        
               | anon84873628 wrote:
               | To elaborate on this great answer, the technical term is
               | "ecological succession", defined on Wikipedia as "the
               | process of change in the species that make up an
               | ecological community over time."
               | 
               | Plants do not just fill their niche, they alter the
               | environment over time, which in aggregate alters the
               | ecosystem as a whole. Animals and microbes also play a
               | role in this process. E.g. the way rodents and birds
               | disperse seeds, or how pests can destroy a species, or
               | even how elephants can uproot whole trees.
        
         | joshvm wrote:
         | Re satellite. At Sentinel resolution (10-20m) not much, maybe
         | enough to distinguish plantation from natural forest
         | spectrally. At Planet (3m) and below you can start to see large
         | individual trees.
         | 
         | It's very difficult to accurately measure biodiversity from
         | space. Drone imagery might get you species visually but until
         | we have widespread hyperspectral (see ESA CHIME) 12-13 bands is
         | what most people work with.
        
         | mschuster91 wrote:
         | > Why did they plant only tree species that are frequently
         | targeted for logging? This makes the whole experiment very
         | suspect. The linked article talks a lot about restoring
         | forests, but why restrict the tree species to those that are
         | profitable to log?
         | 
         | Because that is what private land owners will do, they'll want
         | to plant primarily what they can sell. This research likely
         | intended to reduce the immediate damage from logging.
        
           | kmeisthax wrote:
           | Interestingly enough, this is also part of the reason for
           | Canada's horrible wildfires a few months back:
           | https://pluralistic.net/2023/09/16/murder-offsets/#pulped-
           | an...
        
         | llbeansandrice wrote:
         | > Why did they plant only tree species that are frequently
         | targeted for logging?
         | 
         | Because the main purpose of replanting trees to is be able to
         | harvest them again in the next few decades. Private land owners
         | generally aren't interested in creating old-growth forests,
         | they're trying to make money.
         | 
         | It's not exactly ideal, but ending up with more biodiversity is
         | likely a good thing even if it will be logged again later.
         | 
         | If you want more old-growth forests there's going to have to be
         | a _lot_ more subsidies to private owners to literally pay them
         | to not log their land.
        
           | voisin wrote:
           | > Private land owners generally aren't interested in creating
           | old-growth forests, they're trying to make money.
           | 
           | In Canada the vast majority of logging is on crown land.
        
             | [deleted]
        
           | rootusrootus wrote:
           | > Private land owners generally aren't interested in creating
           | old-growth forests, they're trying to make money.
           | 
           | To be clear, in the western US this is by design. Large
           | swaths of private land are zoned for forest. Aside from a few
           | niche instances of grandfathering, you cannot build on them.
           | They're useful for recreation and logging, and that's all
           | that's allowed.
           | 
           | The gov't wants them to be logged regularly. If they really
           | wanted old growth forests they'd make it public land (it's
           | not especially expensive land, either, right after a patch
           | gets logged it's not uncommon for the owner to put it on the
           | market fairly cheap).
        
         | harywilke wrote:
         | This is an aside. This [0] is what an attempt at balancing
         | logging, locals, and forest conservation ~150 years ago looked
         | like. The checkerboard effect [1] is pretty striking. This
         | strategy ended up being a disaster for some animals, famously
         | the Northern Spotted Owl.
         | 
         | [0]
         | https://www.google.com/maps/@43.4146826,-123.52657,129879m/d...
         | [1] https://osupress.oregonstate.edu/blog/checkerboard-effect
         | [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northern_spotted_owl
        
         | toast0 wrote:
         | > Why did they plant only tree species that are frequently
         | targeted for logging? This makes the whole experiment very
         | suspect. The linked article talks a lot about restoring
         | forests, but why restrict the tree species to those that are
         | profitable to log?
         | 
         | Logging companies typically log a parcel and replant for
         | logging again in the future. They might be convinced to do
         | things differently, especially if the outcome is better for
         | them, but it would be hard to convince them to plant trees that
         | won't be commercially viable when they come back to log again.
         | 
         | If diversity is good for the environment and the loggers, that
         | seems ideal. If diversity is good for the environment and about
         | the same for the loggers, they might be convinced.
         | 
         | Not all the parcels will end up being relogged, but that
         | decision is unlikely to be made at the time of replanting.
        
         | greenie_beans wrote:
         | > 1. Why did they plant only tree species that are frequently
         | targeted for logging? This makes the whole experiment very
         | suspect. The linked article talks a lot about restoring
         | forests, but why restrict the tree species to those that are
         | profitable to log?
         | 
         | Because forest management is for logging. They will log those
         | trees once they mature to the best value when considering DBH,
         | the market, and opportunity cost.
        
       | AnimalMuppet wrote:
       | Or, to say it in reverse: Replanting logged forests with a
       | monoculture _hinders_ restoration.
       | 
       | Putting it this way emphasizes what "normal" is.
        
       | bluerooibos wrote:
       | Who would have thought that replicating nature would yield the
       | best results...
       | 
       | The Miyawaki method is probably relevant to this discussion -
       | https://www.creatingtomorrowsforests.co.uk/blog/the-miyawaki...
        
         | nxobject wrote:
         | Another text I really love as well that focuses on teaching
         | "applied ecology" is "Garden Revolution" by Weaner and
         | Christopher. Since I've never taken biology of any sort, it was
         | a good primer on things like ecological succession (in
         | temperate climates), parameters of plants that might
         | completement each other, etc. The authors have worked on large-
         | scale restoration and sustainable landscaping projects, and it
         | shows.
        
         | [deleted]
        
       | CatWChainsaw wrote:
       | If you own property with a lawn, do what you can as well with
       | native plants for native pollinators.
        
       | darklycan51 wrote:
       | I don't understand why loggers clear entire sections of forests
       | instead of leaving every hectare x amount of old "mother" trees
        
       | WalterBright wrote:
       | This is not surprising in the least. Also, genetic variety within
       | a particular species should help a lot.
        
         | [deleted]
        
       | jvm___ wrote:
       | The Curiosity Daily podcast had a related topic this past week.
       | There are plans to plant 1 billion (or 1 Trillion) trees at
       | various levels of government (WEF is the 1Trillion number). So
       | researchers went out to try to find saplings from local nurseries
       | that could supply the diversity of trees that would be needed.
       | They found that less than half the nurseries could supply
       | saplings - and very few were 'climate change friendly' saplings,
       | most were decorative or other non-climate-friendly trees.
       | 
       | "Plans to plant billions of trees threatened by massive
       | undersupply of seedlings." by Joshua Brown. 2023.
       | https://www.uvm.edu/news/story/plans-plant-billions-trees-th...
       | 
       | "A lack of ecological diversity in forest nurseries limits the
       | achievement of tree-planting objectives in response to global
       | change." by Peter W. Clark, et al. 2023.
       | https://academic.oup.com/bioscience/advance-article-abstract...
       | 
       | "Trees Help Fight Climate Change." Arbor Day Foundation. N.d.
       | "Benefits of Planting Trees." Tree Advisory Board. N.D.
       | https://www.bgky.org/tree/benefits
        
         | mym1990 wrote:
         | Can you expand on the difference between climate change
         | friendly and non climate change friendly trees, for the noobs
         | like me?
        
           | developer93 wrote:
           | If a plant isn't native, the insects and animals that eat or
           | use it aren't around, those that are can't use it, and it's
           | of limited use to the ecosystem. Not to mention it's
           | interactions with other plants.
        
           | jvm___ wrote:
           | The money is in growing saplings of white-pine, the ones
           | commercial re-planters will buy - because they grow fast and
           | can be turned into toilet paper in 25(?) years. Growing
           | saplings of local 'slow' growing, non-harvestable species
           | doesn't make you $$$.
           | 
           | "In essence, forest nurseries tended to maintain a limited
           | inventory of a select few species, electing to prioritize
           | those valued for commercial timber production over species
           | required for conservation, ecological restoration, or climate
           | adaptation."
           | 
           | "Yet, in their 20-state survey, the team only found two tree
           | nurseries that had inventory of red spruce, a species from
           | which many millions of seedlings are needed to meet
           | restoration goals. "Remarkably, only 800 red spruce seedlings
           | were commercially available for purchase in 2022," the team
           | reports in their new Bioscience study, "--enough to reforest
           | less than one hectare."
        
             | myshpa wrote:
             | Maybe we should plant seeds, same as nature does. Dozens of
             | different seeds per m2, nature would choose what'd survive
             | and flourish.
             | 
             | An example of a forest farm planted with the same approach:
             | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ST9NyHf09M
        
               | freedude wrote:
               | The same problem exists at the seed level. Who is
               | collecting the 2 trillion seeds (50% germination rate)?
        
               | myshpa wrote:
               | It's a similar problem but on a smaller scale (it's
               | easier/cheaper to collect & spread seeds than grow &
               | plant the seedlings).
        
               | mvdtnz wrote:
               | If you want to prioritise speedy regeneration then this
               | is not the best approach. Nature is incredibly effective
               | in the slow and steady mode of operation but to maximise
               | efficiency you need to be more deliberate.
        
               | myshpa wrote:
               | This is called "close planting" or "high-density
               | planting". It's often used in regeneration projects (the
               | Green Great Wall in China is one such example), it's used
               | by syntropic agriculture (see the video I've posted) or
               | in Miyawaki forests.
               | 
               | Japanese botanist Akira Miyawaki developed this method,
               | which involves planting a variety of native species in
               | close proximity. The idea is that the trees compete for
               | sunlight, growing upwards more than outwards, leading to
               | a fast-establishing and diverse forest.
               | 
               | https://www.sugiproject.com/blog/the-miyawaki-method-for-
               | cre...
               | 
               | Another example would be Mark Shephard's farm where he's
               | using his Sheer Utter Total Neglect (STUN) method.
               | 
               | He describes in his video that the goal is to find a
               | combination of plants that is so resilient, that you
               | can't kill those trees even if you try.
               | 
               | https://www.youtube.com/watch?app=desktop&v=RePJ3rJa1Wg
               | 
               | Sure, it's essential to ensure that the selected species
               | are suitable for the specific soil, climate, and
               | conditions of the site. Additionally, as the forest
               | grows, some form of management, like thinning or
               | selective removal of species, may be required to ensure
               | the forest remains healthy and achieves the desired
               | goals.
        
               | RetroTechie wrote:
               | I recall some initiative (in Africa, iirc) where locals
               | would collect seeds of random herbs, shrubs, trees etc,
               | mix those up & pack into seed bombs.
               | 
               | Then others who travel around for their work, would toss
               | those in random places. From bicycle thrown some distance
               | from roadside, or a bush pilot dropping some during
               | flight, etc.
               | 
               | Basically as many different seeds in as many different
               | places as possible. Then let nature do its thing.
               | 
               | Note this was still mostly local. So not introducing
               | invasive species from other side of the globe. Just
               | helping native species to spread a bit further & faster.
        
               | myshpa wrote:
               | Yes, that's a very effective method. Such initiatives are
               | all over the world.
               | 
               | It's based on ancient method of seedballs, promoted by
               | Fukuoka.
               | 
               | https://www.permaculturenews.org/2014/06/18/making-
               | seedballs...
               | 
               | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OqYTz6-zGcg
        
         | destron wrote:
         | ... of course the nurseries don't have seedlings to plant one
         | trillion trees. Growing seedlings of the appropriate species
         | would have to be part of that effort.
        
       | erikhopf wrote:
       | There are companies like Terraformation that have been doing this
       | for a while. Beyond the biodiversity angle, seed banking seems to
       | be very important to the long term success of regrowth projects.
        
         | greenie_beans wrote:
         | i invested in their republic.co fundraising:
         | https://republic.com/terraformation
         | 
         | but then did more research, because i've been interested in
         | forestry for a while and was geniunely curious and wanted to
         | understand my investment more.
         | 
         | i pulled my investment once i learned that these sort of
         | projects don't actually work. terraformation targets land in
         | areas that aren't meant to be forests. also decided to pull it
         | because i don't completely understand the space. (sure,
         | "planting trees will solve climate change" seems easy enough
         | and makes me feel good because "i'm planting trees!" but nah,
         | not really, let's maybe rethink this...this is coming from
         | somebody who spends a lot of time in the woods and finds trees
         | to be an important part of my life.)
         | 
         | this person researches this space:
         | https://scholar.google.com/citations?user=DbjysqUAAAAJ&hl=en
         | 
         | this is one of the bigger studies:
         | https://scholar.google.com/citations?view_op=view_citation&h...
        
       | salynchnew wrote:
       | Shouldn't be surprising.
       | 
       | The Miyawaki method shows success when a few principles are
       | followed: -Planting naturally-occurring communities of plants,
       | not monocultures (bonus points for including microfauna and soil
       | microbes) -Planting locations are semi-randomized, with room for
       | plants to expand and reseed. -Stands of trees are
       | protected/watered for first 3-5 years. -Local communities are
       | engaged and have a vested interest in protecting/maintaining
       | stands of trees for the first few years.
       | 
       | https://www.jstor.org/stable/24577389?mag=the-miyawaki-metho...
        
       | swader999 wrote:
       | The other way to do this is to leave seed trees on the block in
       | addition to replanting with 3-4 other species. They do this in
       | British Columbia now.
       | 
       | When a block is logged, cones from that block are taken to regrow
       | seedlings to plant there. It doesn't work as well if you try to
       | seed from different elevations or far away areas.
        
       | atoav wrote:
       | My brothers MA thesis was about comparing the multiple model
       | forests that have been planted throughout the EUs different
       | climate zones (I didn't even know such a thing existed, bur it
       | makes sense).
       | 
       | His focus was looking at resilience against weather, insects etc.
       | and mixed forests fared significantly better throughout all
       | climate zones.
       | 
       | As someone from the alps, a thing that should not be forgotten is
       | how important a diverse tree structure can be for stabilizing
       | soil, especially in mountain areas. And those areas can expect
       | more extreme wheater conditions due to climate change, especially
       | in the form of rain. Mudslides can become a real economic factor
       | in such regions.
       | 
       | Mixed forests are also better at stabilizing the soil because the
       | root structures are less uniform.
       | 
       | So the best moment to plant mixed forests is 20 years ago, the
       | next best is now.
       | 
       | Edit: For non-wood people, the reason why there aren't more mixed
       | woods is that harvesting is easier in non-mixed environments
       | (although that also has changed with newer methods and tech).
        
       | rgrieselhuber wrote:
       | Eventually people will figure out that monoculture was a horrible
       | and anti-nature idea.
        
         | hasmanean wrote:
         | I've heard monoculture forests are worse for forest fires too.
         | 
         | Having dead decaying logs on the forest floor probably helps
         | because fungi are naturally fire resistant.
        
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         | grlass wrote:
         | The issues from the Great Green Wall [1] are worth looking at
         | 
         | [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Green_Wall_(China)
        
       | hanniabu wrote:
       | This seems pretty obvious, I'm amazed this is coming as a
       | surprise
        
         | sp332 wrote:
         | No one said it was a surprise. It's a demonstration.
        
         | bradly wrote:
         | It isn't mentioned in this article but one example of this is
         | deforestation of the a Eastern White Pine. They quickly
         | realized the problems deforestation at that scale and attempted
         | to build pack the forests quickly by use a very similar, but
         | much faster growing pine. Turns out that was a really bad idea.
        
       | iamcasen wrote:
       | How is this not a complete and obvious no-brainer? As advanced as
       | our culture is in some ways, it is clearly quite idiotic in many
       | other ways.
        
         | wredue wrote:
         | It always helps having raw experimentation on your side.
        
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