[HN Gopher] Volkswagen cuts jobs as demand for EVs plunges
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       Volkswagen cuts jobs as demand for EVs plunges
        
       Author : Fervicus
       Score  : 23 points
       Date   : 2023-09-24 22:19 UTC (40 minutes ago)
        
 (HTM) web link (fortune.com)
 (TXT) w3m dump (fortune.com)
        
       | GenerWork wrote:
       | Key part of the article: "But orders from corporate clients --
       | which account for around 70% of the IDs built at the plant --
       | have been plummeting since a federal subsidy for battery-powered
       | company vehicles expired this month, one of the people said."
        
       | cs702 wrote:
       | Correction: ...as demand for _non-Tesla EVs_ plunges.
       | 
       | Demand for _Tesla EVs_ is... booming. Tesla sold 83% more cars in
       | the most recent quarter than in the same quarter a year ago.[a]
       | 
       | [a] https://digitalassets.tesla.com/tesla-
       | contents/image/upload/...
        
         | bradly wrote:
         | The actual article has the following title for me: VW is
         | cutting jobs at its German EV factory because demand is
         | plunging
         | 
         | The HN title is: Volkswagen cuts jobs as demand for EVs plunges
         | 
         | Not sure why the difference but the article cites Tesla demand
         | of one of the key reasons the demand "is plunging"
        
           | userbinator wrote:
           | Perhaps "as demand for *its EVs plunges" would be more
           | appropriate, if it fits within the title length limit.
        
         | DoesntMatter22 wrote:
         | Competition is coming for tesla _rolls eyes_
        
         | bearjaws wrote:
         | They just cut the price on the model x and s.
         | 
         | They have thousands of model ys with discounts on their website
         | as they are waiting to be sold at a dealership.
         | 
         | That not even including all the huge promotions on the model 3.
         | 
         | I wouldn't say Tesla isn't at least slowing down based on their
         | nearly 3 month old earnings report.
        
       | ggm wrote:
       | I wish there was a law to expose for all products the rate of
       | profit, and the implicit and explicit subsidies. It's impossible
       | to know how EV margins compare to e.g. a minivan or a golf
       | classic ICE.
        
       | panick21_ wrote:
       | Its funny how the EU is now 'investigating subsidies' in China.
       | 
       | China has been building this sector for like 30 years.
       | 
       | While Europeans were so proud of their diesel vehicles and how
       | clean they were and the Germany companies endlessly talking about
       | hydrogen and green fuels. While Europe has basically no resource
       | extraction related to batteries or much of any battery refinement
       | for most of that period.
       | 
       | But now that this bears fruit for China the EU is like 'what what
       | what, I though our brilliant hydrogen plan was gone work'.
        
       | rj45jackattack wrote:
       | I'm sure current interest rates have nothing to do with it :/
        
       | petee wrote:
       | Is there really any surprise no one wants to pay $45000 for a
       | compact car? What is the profit margin on EVs that its cheaper to
       | not sell cars versus making them affordable and within reach of
       | more customers?
       | 
       | Edit: actually I can't tell if thats their cheapest car, VWs
       | website sucks on mobile so I gave up. You'd think it'd be easy to
       | just show the prices
        
         | AniseAbyss wrote:
         | Volkswagen got big (it's in the name) with building affordable
         | cars like the Beetle and the Golf. Compact fuel efficient cars
         | that a nurse or teacher could afford.
        
         | fbdab103 wrote:
         | VW's site sucks on desktop as well. Ultra-wide monitor and I
         | have to use a hamburger menu to see the navigation bar.
         | 
         | Using the VW filters, the only electric that I see is the ID.4
         | SUV starting at $39k.
         | 
         | Edit: Just went to Honda and the cheapest electric options are
         | a CR-V hybrid at $29.5k or the Accord Hybrid at $32k.
        
       | version_five wrote:
       | Canada has given them an 11 figure subsidy to build EVs here... I
       | wonder how that will play out if there is not the demand.
        
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