[HN Gopher] A Bit About Byte Magazine
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       A Bit About Byte Magazine
        
       Author : zdw
       Score  : 36 points
       Date   : 2023-09-29 17:19 UTC (1 days ago)
        
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       | fuzztester wrote:
       | PC Magazine was good for a while too, before it became ad-
       | enshittified.
       | 
       | I particularly liked the Utilities series in it.
        
       | tpmx wrote:
       | Living in Europe (but not in the UK), I have similar nostalgic
       | feelings for the UK magazine Personal Computer World (PCW). The
       | library in the tiny town (5k people) where I grew up somehow had
       | a subscription for PCW in the 80s and 90s. Every month there was
       | a new treasure trove to read. I read it _so hard_ from like 1986
       | and onwards. (I kind of learned English by reading PCW.)
       | 
       | It's pretty obvious that PCW was modelled after Byte.
       | 
       | (There's a partial scanned collection here:
       | https://archive.org/details/personalcomputerworld?sort=date)
        
         | dannyobrien wrote:
         | I loved PCW -- I ended up writing for it in the early nineties,
         | and was ridiculously proud that I had that chance.
        
           | jen20 wrote:
           | Likewise for me with PC Plus, which enabled (via their
           | "Super{Disk,CD}") access to professional programming tools
           | and Linux distributions in the days before internet access
           | with sufficient bandwidth to download them was widespread.
           | 
           | Sadly it took a turn towards being consumer-focused in the
           | early 2000s and then died.
        
           | dcminter wrote:
           | Byte and PCW are the two magazines I really miss. I know we
           | have a wealth of information available to us now that we
           | didn't back then so I shouldn't be sad... and yet :'( If
           | someone put out a physical general computing magazine of a
           | similar quality today I'd subscribe in an instant, but I
           | suppose there's just not enough cranks like me to make it
           | viable.
           | 
           | Speaking of quality material, any plans to revive NTK?
        
             | tpmx wrote:
             | The German Heise publishing house continues to publish the
             | Byte/PCW-sort-of-like magazine "c't". Useful for keeping
             | any German language skills alive if you're into that.
             | 
             | Judging from the latest cover it's at a ~00s technical
             | level (on a PCW Magazine scale) - and they are diversifing,
             | now including things like heat pumps and smart thermostats,
             | heh:
             | 
             | https://heise.cloudimg.io/v7/_shop-heise-
             | de_/assets/a/6/0/e/...
        
               | dcminter wrote:
               | Thanks for the tip. I'm sort of background-aware of it,
               | but as I don't read or speak German and online
               | translation lacks a certain flavour, it's not really an
               | option for me. Good to note that there are a few hanging
               | on in other markets - and it certainly had a good
               | reputation.
               | 
               | One that I found that was a "close but no cigar"
               | incidentally was the Pi magazine "The MagPi"1 - but it's
               | a bit thin both physically and in content. I may yet
               | subscribe, though, just in the hope of demonstrating a
               | market exists!
               | 
               | 1 https://magpi.raspberrypi.com/
        
               | tpmx wrote:
               | I agree about the MagPi; it's close. I think it would
               | work great as eh, toilet reading material though. Lots of
               | small stories/projects.
        
               | dcminter wrote:
               | A friend of mine refers to that as "shiterature" :D
        
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           | Angostura wrote:
           | I worked in VNU House during the late 89s on another mag.
           | Always wanted to work on PCW never made it, but at least I
           | got to go to press conferences with Kewney, Tebbut et al.
           | 
           | Are you one of the moving forces behind NTK? If so, thank you
           | for brightening my Fridays for so long.
        
       | joezydeco wrote:
       | Previous discussion/nostalgia for Byte:
       | 
       | https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21772529
        
       | AlbertCory wrote:
       | There's a Facebook group devoted to the old computer magazines:
       | 
       | https://www.facebook.com/groups/521427671543144
        
       | cc101 wrote:
       | I always got a laugh at Byte's motto: "A Small Systems Journal."
       | At about one inch thick, it was anything but small.
        
         | II2II wrote:
         | I always assumed they the small referred to the systems (i.e.
         | microcomputers) rather than the size of the journal. I doubt
         | the term "personal computer" even existed when Byte was born.
        
           | teh_klev wrote:
           | It's an inside joke. Byte at its peak had some issues that
           | were nearly an inch thick and could easily be used as a
           | murder weapon.
        
           | justin66 wrote:
           | > I always assumed they the small referred to the systems
           | (i.e. microcomputers) rather than the size of the journal.
           | 
           | That is correct.
        
         | slowmovintarget wrote:
         | Well compared to Computer Shopper, Byte was small. I recall
         | walking out of the book store with the oversized Computer
         | Shopper, roughly two inches thick, newsprint contents. It was
         | like walking out with a phone book every month.
         | 
         | I recall when they went to a smaller format. The world had
         | changed. Sigh.
        
         | zabzonk wrote:
         | mostly adverts. but i did like it!
        
         | TMWNN wrote:
         | _BYTE_ came close, but not quite as thick as _PC Magazine_ ,
         | which hit 800 pages in December 1983
         | <https://books.google.com/books?id=05wAGZQlo9QC&pg=PP1>,
         | forcing it to appear every two weeks.
        
       | justinlloyd wrote:
       | I loved Byte. I was a subscriber to the bitter end. I learned C
       | from Byte, which lead me to developing a C compiler (also from a
       | Byte article series) in 6502. Along with a number of data
       | structures and algorithms. If Byte were around today, I would
       | happily buy it. Though I could do without the ad-fest it became
       | in later years.
        
         | fuzztester wrote:
         | >I loved Byte. I was a subscriber to the bitter end. I learned
         | C from Byte, which lead me to developing a C compiler (also
         | from a Byte article series) in _6502_.
         | 
         | I hope you meant the processor, not the year ;)
         | 
         | I loved BYTE too. And congrats on creating a compiler.
        
       | sizzzzlerz wrote:
       | I enjoyed the magazine from its initial issues until the mid 80s
       | when I pretty much stopped reading it. I must say that it did
       | have some of the most interesting and attractive cover art of and
       | technical magazines.
        
       | dang wrote:
       | Related threads about Byte Magazine itself (I've omitted
       | submissions of specific articles/issues since there are so many
       | of those):
       | 
       |  _Byte Magazine - Archived Copies on Internet Archive_ -
       | https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35960210 - May 2023 (2
       | comments)
       | 
       |  _Byte Magazine 1975-1995_ -
       | https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34397245 - Jan 2023 (98
       | comments)
       | 
       |  _Ask HN: Is there a modern equivalent of Byte Magazine?_ -
       | https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32538743 - Aug 2022 (8
       | comments)
       | 
       |  _Vintage Byte Magazine Library_ -
       | https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28684406 - Sept 2021 (94
       | comments)
       | 
       |  _The BYTE magazine covers by Robert Tinney_ -
       | https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28607038 - Sept 2021 (66
       | comments)
       | 
       |  _BYTE Magazine_ - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17683184
       | - Aug 2018 (111 comments)
       | 
       |  _Byte Magazine Covers_ -
       | https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9299544 - March 2015 (1
       | comment)
       | 
       |  _Byte magazine archives_ -
       | https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=6113561 - July 2013 (15
       | comments)
        
       | tibbydudeza wrote:
       | I loved this magazine - could not afford a subscription but our
       | uni had it but you could not take it out - many hours spend
       | reading and making photocopies of the articles.
       | 
       | The NextCube , Transputer and the wacky Linn CPU.
        
         | abecedarius wrote:
         | I don't remember the Linn, have a pointer? Search turned this
         | up, which sounds wacky (written in Forth) but it ran on an
         | 8088: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linn_9000
        
           | tibbydudeza wrote:
           | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rekursiv
        
         | slowmovintarget wrote:
         | And a Jerry Pournelle column in every issue.
        
           | tibbydudeza wrote:
           | Also the dude (remember he had quite a hairdo) who built his
           | own hardware - soldering and board level type of stuff.
        
           | tasty_freeze wrote:
           | Oy, how often his column would send me into a rage. He sold
           | himself is just a real user reporting what it was like to use
           | a given machine or bit of software he was reviewing. He was
           | anything but. He'd talk about the frustration with some
           | machine or software and because he was Pournelle, he'd
           | contact the company and the owner or an engineer would drive
           | to Pournelle's house to troubleshoot the problem. Then
           | Pournelle would gush that while things weren't perfect, their
           | support was great.
           | 
           | Or some company would give him their $10,000 top end computer
           | system and he'd state that the fact it was given to him
           | didn't affect his opinions about the system, because he
           | really used the system and that it was he, a power user, who
           | was doing the company a favor by shaking the bugs out of
           | their systems. I didn't buy it for a second.
           | 
           | Perhaps it is like some podcasts where you like it or dislike
           | it more based on the personalities of the hosts more than the
           | content. Because I have never been a reader of science
           | fiction, I saw Pournelle as just a privileged curmudgeon and
           | wasn't tickled that a famous SF author was sharing his
           | personal life with me.
        
             | TMWNN wrote:
             | > Or some company would give him their $10,000 top end
             | computer system and he'd state that the fact it was given
             | to him didn't affect his opinions about the system, because
             | he really used the system and that it was he, a power user,
             | who was doing the company a favor by shaking the bugs out
             | of their systems. I didn't buy it for a second.
             | 
             | Pournelle was never reluctant to criticize. He discussed
             | the Epson QX-10 because he really wanted to like the
             | bundled Valdocs software, but repeatedly excoriated over
             | several versions its horrible performance. Pournelle was
             | always scathing about copy protection, even if he otherwise
             | liked the software. When discussing CP/M transportables,
             | Pournelle preferred the super-expensive Otrona but rightly
             | said that the Osborne and Kaypro were the Volkswagen better
             | suited for most people in terms of price/performance. Etc.,
             | etc.
        
             | Stratoscope wrote:
             | The one time I met Jerry Pournelle was when we peed
             | together.
             | 
             | I was in the men's room at the West Coast Computer Faire,
             | and Jerry walked up to the urinal next to me. We made some
             | small talk (not Smalltalk!) while we did our business, and
             | I quickly realized he was drunk as a skunk.
             | 
             | There was a moment of panic when I thought to myself,
             | "Please, let his aim hold true!"
             | 
             | It did, and we both left unscathed and unsplashed.
        
       | WalterBright wrote:
       | A number of other computer mags have vanished without a trace,
       | like MicroCornucopia and PC Tech Journal.
        
         | amelius wrote:
         | Dr. Dobb's magazine.
        
           | tannhaeuser wrote:
           | Was about to post a link to archived Dr. Dobbs articles [1]
           | (so not without a trace) only to find out that actual content
           | seems to have vanished/nav is broken.
           | 
           | Like Dr. Dobbs until 2015, BYTE continued with online-only
           | content until about 2011. What's worth discussing here is
           | infeasibility to publish quality content on Google's web
           | financed by targetted ads working for Google, and Google
           | alone.
           | 
           | [1]: https://drdobbs.com/
        
       | OldGuyInTheClub wrote:
       | I was a devoted Byte subscriber and reader for years. I even
       | bought a poster or two of covers I liked from Robert Tinney.
       | Steve Ciarcia's "Circuit Cellar" was my first read of any issue.
       | Having embarked on an experimental science career by the mid-80s,
       | I was always impressed by how he could present a new, /working/
       | hardware project every month.
        
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