[HN Gopher] Insurance companies fill their networks with 'ghost'...
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       Insurance companies fill their networks with 'ghost' therapists
        
       Author : apwheele
       Score  : 40 points
       Date   : 2023-10-04 21:59 UTC (1 hours ago)
        
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       | didgeoridoo wrote:
       | My wife is a clinical psychologist who used to take insurance.
       | She got tired of not being paid for months for patients she saw.
       | Legally they have 90 days to pay you, but in practice it's closer
       | to 4-5 months. Every January they claim to have "computer
       | problems related to the new year" and simply lose huge numbers of
       | claims, requiring you to resubmit -- oh that claim is more than
       | 90 days old even though it was their system that "lost" it?
       | Sorry, can't submit! Guess you just worked for free!
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       | She takes cash now. It was an abusive system and I'm not
       | surprised it's falling apart.
        
       | jwie wrote:
       | It's unlikely this is as interesting as the headline suggests.
       | 
       | Maintaining a list of professionals is challenging. There are
       | very simple input problems with this kind of data.
       | 
       | The professional, in this case a therapist, but it really doesn't
       | matter what they do, just isn't going to keep their portal
       | updated on the insurance network aggregator.
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       | The insurance companies can't make the anyone update their
       | listing, and the professionals don't have incentives. They're
       | full up on work so there's no real need for them to do anything
       | to get clients.
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       | This is a bog-standard supply and demand problem.
        
       | neonate wrote:
       | http://web.archive.org/web/20231004220011/https://www.seattl...
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       | https://archive.ph/Nl7gj
        
       | PaulHoule wrote:
       | I wouldn't necessary blame the insurance. My primary care doc
       | gave me 10 referrals to psychiatric nurse practitioners but zero
       | were taking new patients. I asked someone who'd written review
       | articles on my condition to do the same and he said he would but
       | I think he did some looking and came up short and ghosted me.
        
         | chimeracoder wrote:
         | > I wouldn't necessary blame the insurance.
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         | Why not? They're the ones who are gatekeeping the product
         | (their network) at the same time as they're selling access to
         | their network (this is considered one of the "features" on
         | which insurance companies compete and sell their product).
         | 
         | Not to mention that, as mentioned in the article, insurers are
         | _legally required_ to maintain a sufficiently large network to
         | enable their patients to receive care in a timely manner.
         | 
         | If insurance companies want to restrict patients and limit them
         | to seeking care from providers within a preapproved,
         | artificially limited network, then it's totally fair to
         | criticize them for not ensuring that their network is
         | sufficiently large and accessible to be practically usable by
         | patients.
        
         | toomuchtodo wrote:
         | Insurance is collecting premiums for care that can't be
         | provided. I blame them.
        
         | notacoward wrote:
         | Yes. All the time. First you have to find a therapist that
         | actually exists. Then you need to find one who returns a simple
         | email or phone call. Then one who is willing to take you on as
         | a client, and finally one who actually has the tools to help.
         | And each step is _hell_ for someone with any of several
         | conditions that might have been why they were seeking a
         | therapist in the first place. It 's no wonder we have a crisis
         | - if that's even the word for something that has been going on
         | so long.
        
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