[HN Gopher] Up to tenth of Amazon shoppers in GB 'bribed' by sel...
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       Up to tenth of Amazon shoppers in GB 'bribed' by sellers to offer
       good review
        
       Author : PaulHoule
       Score  : 63 points
       Date   : 2023-10-06 21:34 UTC (1 hours ago)
        
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       | oakmad wrote:
       | I've had offers to remove a review. Bought a highly rated kettle
       | that broke in a couple of weeks which I returned. Left a review
       | saying such and started to receive offers to remove the review.
       | Started at PS20 and they kept coming even though I reported them.
       | No, I didn't take the offer.
        
         | soperj wrote:
         | Why not take the money and just not remove the review?
        
       | JohnFen wrote:
       | I'm in the US. Before I stopped buying things from Amazon (this
       | is one of the reasons why I stopped -- a minor one, but one
       | nonetheless) I'd say this happened with about 1//3 of my
       | purchases.
       | 
       | I never left a review, but would report the practice to Amazon.
       | If Amazon cares, they didn't indicate it to me.
        
       | gumballindie wrote:
       | Afters year of not doing so i bought something off of amazon
       | (here in the uk). A lawn mower with a large number of positive
       | reviews. And a heat blower. Both where atrocious when they
       | arrived. Went back to reading the reviews and in depth i noticed
       | that a large number of review images were obviously fake. Left
       | then reviews stating as such and guess what? Amazon rejected the
       | reviews.
       | 
       | This makes me think that all of these issues on amazon are a
       | feature not a bug. Amazon allows this to happen to drive a wide
       | offering. And of course no consumer protection agency taking
       | proactive steps to prevent this. They do issue refunds, but after
       | you've wasted time waiting for and testing the product and then
       | returning or threatening them.
        
       | standardUser wrote:
       | I would love to hear any sites that people still trust and rely
       | on when choosing products to buy (or reviews in general).
        
         | LeoPanthera wrote:
         | I find that Wirecutter is still fine, despite its weird new
         | reputation.
         | 
         | Rtings.com for electronics.
         | 
         | https://www.audiosciencereview.com/forum/index.php?reviews/ for
         | high-end audio products.
        
         | malfist wrote:
         | Consumer reports is still pretty good
        
           | wil421 wrote:
           | Consumer reports is ok but I've found it's better for the I'm
           | lookin for "any" car in x segment type person. If you
           | research your purchases deeper than the average person it's
           | not worth it IMHO.
           | 
           | I agree for average buyers it's better than anything else.
           | Especially for the uniformed.
        
         | albertgoeswoof wrote:
         | What I like to do is just not buy stuff
        
           | koolba wrote:
           | It's like war games, only way to win is not to play.
        
         | PaulHoule wrote:
         | dpreviews for photography stuff
        
       | kstrauser wrote:
       | I'm one of them. I wrote this last week:
       | https://honeypot.net/post/amazon-seller-tried-to-bribe-me/
       | 
       | I reported it to Amazon, and they've done nothing yet but to take
       | down my review that said the seller tried to bribe me.
        
       | terrik wrote:
       | Fakespot is a tool that can help identify products with
       | manipulated reviews.
       | 
       | https://www.fakespot.com/
        
       | dheera wrote:
       | US-based but I've been bribed multiple times to get a gift card
       | in exchange for changing my review to 5 stars. Usually I change
       | the review, take the gift card, and then change it back to fewer
       | stars indicating that seller bribed me.
       | 
       | It's the only way I can think of that actually financially
       | discourages the practice.
        
       | LeoPanthera wrote:
       | This happens to me (here in California) regularly.
       | 
       | When this happens I leave a review saying so, either on the
       | product itself or on the seller's page.
       | 
       | Amazon always deletes these reviews. So, Amazon knows about the
       | practice, and approves of it. Not much you can do at that point.
        
         | slimsag wrote:
         | Yep, I've posted more than a few 'Seller sent me a giftcard to
         | bribe for a good review' - Amazon deletes them.
        
         | quantumsequoia wrote:
         | [flagged]
        
         | quantumsequoia wrote:
         | Reason being those are supposed to be reviews of the _product_.
         | The same reviews will be shown if a different seller is selling
         | the same product. Seller-specific reviews hurt completely
         | independent sellers
         | 
         | Amazon has suspended big sellers like Mpow and Aukey for this
         | practice, so they do take action on these tactics
        
           | LeoPanthera wrote:
           | > Reason being those are supposed to be reviews of the
           | product.
           | 
           | I understand that, so I only leave reviews on the product if
           | it's a single seller, selling their own product. I think
           | "this product comes with a scam offer" is a _valid review of
           | the product_.
           | 
           | I also leave seller reviews, of the seller, on the seller's
           | page. (Many people don't realize you can do this.) These are
           | deleted too.
        
             | jehb wrote:
             | Once you realize the full scope of reviews that Amazon
             | deletes, it's hard to take anything left behind as credible
             | whatsoever.
             | 
             | I went down a long odyssey recently of trying to get a
             | refund for a food item that was four months expired the day
             | it was delivered. Amazon refused. I escalated it. Amazon
             | refused again. I tried to leave a bad review. Amazon
             | deleted it. I reviewed the seller itself. Deleted again.
             | Kept trying over and over again for several days, making
             | ever so slight tweaks to conform to the policy. I came to
             | the conclusion it was simply impossible to leave a negative
             | piece of feedback.
        
           | epistasis wrote:
           | This makes little sense when the product is already filled
           | with tainted reviews related to a seller.
           | 
           | All those fake positive reviews also go along with the new
           | product.
           | 
           | Therefore the only logical thing to do is to associate these
           | reviews of the practice with the original product, as an
           | indication of review quality.
        
         | candiddevmike wrote:
         | Amazon should publish the percentage of buyers who returned the
         | item
        
       | tpmx wrote:
       | Why doesn't Amazon care?
        
         | distract8901 wrote:
         | I'd guess that juicing total review scores for a product
         | results in more sales
        
         | RoyalHenOil wrote:
         | Like many companies, they prioritize short-term profits over
         | their long-term reputation. This is very common with publicly
         | traded companies.
        
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         | PaulHoule wrote:
         | Cause you keep buying. Or rather, because you haven't canceled
         | your Prime yet. Do it now.
        
           | tpmx wrote:
           | I guess I'm happy to live in a country where Amazon showed up
           | too late (Sweden). Their offering for western products seems
           | like a joke in comparison to the online retail landscape
           | here. It's good for cheap noname (weirdname?) Chinese
           | electronics (think e.g. TPA3116D2-based amplifier boards)
           | though.
        
             | PaulHoule wrote:
             | AMZN is actually not that good in much of the U.S.
             | 
             | If you live in a ZIP code full of congressional staffers,
             | sitcom writers or stock market analysts you get 1 day
             | shipping with Prime. If you're not so lucky (say you live
             | in the same ZIP code as the warehouse) it could be 5 days.
             | 
             | I just ordered the lens that I need to shoot Volleyball
             | games, a famous camera store can get it to me one day
             | sooner than AMZN can despite being closed for a Jewish
             | holiday. AMZN would sell me a 'refreshed' lens but the last
             | one of those I bought from them failed in six months.
             | 
             | All the time I see something on the shelf at Target for $45
             | that is $65 on AMZN. The chattering classes who are bought
             | off with 1 day shipping wax about AMZN's logistics network
             | (always seems to use USPS, UPS and FedEx to reach me, maybe
             | they get a better deal because they threaten to leave...)
             | or payments (hmmm... Visa, Mastercard, American Express,
             | ...) but it is gaslighting end-to-end.
             | 
             | Once a store gets one of those membership programs they
             | quit thinking straight (how do I make money off sales?) and
             | wind up thinking crooked (line goes up...)
             | 
             | The only thing harder than canceling your Prime is making
             | an order without being signed up for a "trial" subscription
             | which is one more reason to shop elsewhere.
        
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