[HN Gopher] US science agencies on track to hit 25-year funding low
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       US science agencies on track to hit 25-year funding low
        
       Author : jedwhite
       Score  : 27 points
       Date   : 2023-10-06 21:53 UTC (1 hours ago)
        
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       | ofslidingfeet wrote:
       | Maybe instead of hiring private contractors to invent new
       | propulsion systems and then conceal them from the public good, we
       | should give some of our ~$600 billion military budget to these
       | agencies.
        
         | oldbbsnickname wrote:
         | The official budget for 2023 was $773 B with ~$350 B going to
         | contractors.
         | 
         | There are multiple elements to issuing grants. It's not simply
         | moving money around from one line item to another. If agencies
         | have been gutted or don't have the budget, then can't write
         | requests for grant proposals or can't offer what they don't
         | have.
        
         | xyzelement wrote:
         | I am curious, let's say we wound down the military and gave all
         | the money to something else... what do you think would
         | immediately happen to us right after?
        
           | RangerScience wrote:
           | (not OP)
           | 
           | Defense contractors would start pulling out the cost-saving
           | technologies, etc that they've been sitting on to win bids,
           | now that there's less money in the pot. Cost-plus contracts
           | are whack, man.
           | 
           | Source: Way back when, worked in industrial augmented
           | reality, and some colleagues came from defense (ship
           | building) because of _exactly_ this issue. Their prior
           | employer had (quietly) pioneered various uses of AR in ship
           | assembly, which drastically reduced costs, but wasn 't
           | actually deploying it because cost-saving actually _reduces_
           | their profits, so they only actually use them when it comes
           | time to win bids.
           | 
           | Pretty sure you're fishing for "we get attacked" tho, which I
           | neither agree with, nor have the background to coherently
           | argue against.
        
           | ofslidingfeet wrote:
           | I wouldn't be in favor of winding down the military. I would
           | be in favor of giving private contractors a choice between
           | subjecting themselves to meaningful oversight or we can
           | reallocate their funding to entities that will.
        
         | rl3 wrote:
         | > _Maybe instead of hiring private contractors to invent new
         | propulsion systems and then conceal them from the public good,
         | ..._
         | 
         | Citation needed.
        
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       | peepeepoopoo43 wrote:
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       | roenxi wrote:
       | By traditional indicators the US is broke. Debt to GDP is at
       | historic crisis levels, debt service is eclipsing the military
       | budget (though I didn't check if that includes the spending for
       | the war in Ukraine) and it is unclear where the oomph to pay for
       | retirees will come from. The main thing optimists seems to be
       | pinning their hope on is that the authorities can print money and
       | it will all turn out OK.
       | 
       | What is the conversation around science funding meant to look
       | like? Spending money on productive investments is a great idea,
       | but the practice of the US government is nowhere near that.
        
         | tonmoy wrote:
         | Debt to GDP has no meaning as one is a balance and the other is
         | a balance over a time. A better indicator will be Debt to GDP
         | until the year infinity. Same goes for military budget, it's
         | for a year.
        
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