[HN Gopher] Family Echo - Free online family tree maker
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       Family Echo - Free online family tree maker
        
       Author : smusamashah
       Score  : 22 points
       Date   : 2023-10-10 16:54 UTC (6 hours ago)
        
 (HTM) web link (www.familyecho.com)
 (TXT) w3m dump (www.familyecho.com)
        
       | kichik wrote:
       | Can it import GED files?
        
       | CobrastanJorji wrote:
       | I kind of wonder about a really big public version of this.
       | Something like a Wikipedia of family tree history, so people
       | working on their family's genealogy might meet up with others
       | somewhere 5 or 6 generations back and discover some stories going
       | back a couple hundred years. I imagine allowing for people to
       | fill in little biographies and attach photos or references of
       | ancestors.
       | 
       | But such a thing would probably have a bunch of abuse scenarios
       | that would be hard to solve for (it's "what's your mother's
       | maiden name" as a service, for one), and I'm not sure if they're
       | easily solved. But it'd be really cool.
        
         | bmitch2112 wrote:
         | https://www.wikitree.com/ I believe is what you are describing.
         | It's great. If you have any interest in building your family
         | tree this is where I would start.
        
         | xahrepap wrote:
         | https://www.familysearch.org/ does exactly this. Only
         | information of people who are deceased is viewable outside the
         | account of the person who entered the information.
         | 
         | It's run by the LDS Church, so there's a religious tone to
         | their marketing. But you don't have to be a member or religious
         | to use it.
        
           | CobrastanJorji wrote:
           | I'm glad it exists, but I'm not super comfortable encouraging
           | everybody in my extended family to give all of their
           | information directly to the LDS Church, especially with their
           | history of stuff like proxy baptisms of holocaust victims.
           | 
           | But on the other hand, I was just a minute ago wishing that
           | this sort of service existed publicly as a Wikipedia-like
           | free resource, which is a strict superset of the LDS Church
           | having it, so maybe that's unfair.
        
           | WarOnPrivacy wrote:
           | I'd agree. Family Search will eventually be understood as the
           | authoritative tree.
           | 
           | One challenge with an authoritative tree is when a distant or
           | non-relative creates a profile, marks it living and then that
           | creator disappears.
           | 
           | A close relative shows up but the profile is locked to the
           | creator. The actual relative has to jump thru hoops to get
           | access to their own family.
           | 
           | With privacy concerns, I don't know how to handle it better.
           | Only that folks might want to avoid creating living profiles
           | except for close relatives.
        
       | ghostpepper wrote:
       | "Family Echo is provided by Familiality Ltd., a private company
       | founded by Gideon Greenspan and based in Tel Aviv. Other sites
       | include: Web Sudoku, Magic Baby Names and TrainMyAI."
       | 
       | Sorry but if I don't understand how you make money from my data
       | then I'm not putting my data into it
        
         | freitasm wrote:
         | I think the "TrainMyAI" tells a lot about how the data might be
         | used.
         | 
         | Their Data Policy (1) says nothing about how they use data you
         | enter. Only says you can enter as much or as little and who can
         | see th data you share.
         | 
         | Big nope.
         | 
         | (1) https://www.familyecho.com/?page=policies
        
         | LVB wrote:
         | The last item of the FAQ says, "Family Echo is a free service,
         | supported by advertising."
        
       | bradleyjg wrote:
       | I haven't found a good program to create a good looking printable
       | tree with pictures where available. I ended up using Visio and
       | laying out everything by hand but it was a big pain in the neck.
        
         | Isthatablackgsd wrote:
         | If you are still looking, I recommend yEd Graph Editor. They
         | have a family tree layout you can use. I used it in the past
         | and it works great for my needs.
        
         | qingcharles wrote:
         | Ugh, I used Visio about 20 years ago to do the same. It seems
         | like a smart idea for about an hour, then it isn't :(
        
         | WarOnPrivacy wrote:
         | Yeah. I have this issue. I have a stupid amount of names and
         | I'd like to print select generations into binders for family.
         | 
         | I don't like any of the options though. It's all non-intuitive
         | and/or irrelevant info and/or lots of wasted space on a page.
        
           | SilasHaslam wrote:
           | I've used Chronoplex MyFamilyTree with good results.
           | https://chronoplexsoftware.com/myfamilytree/
        
       | vkdelta wrote:
       | Is there any open source version of such software ? I always to
       | map our community and families from specific country.
        
         | ellrob88 wrote:
         | 'Gramps' has been recommended to me in the past.
        
           | secabeen wrote:
           | Gramps is good, as is the spinoff web version:
           | https://www.grampsweb.org/
           | 
           | Gramps Web is distributed as a collection of containers, with
           | a provided compose file. It works really well, if you're an
           | HN reader with a place to host some containers and an nginx
           | proxy for SSL.
        
       | tekla wrote:
       | Of course with all Family tree software, I gotta test the thing.
       | I don't think you can make incest babies on this software.
        
       | fjfaase wrote:
       | For genealogical research you need something more than just a
       | tree builder, you need a system to record facts based on
       | documents (like birth certificates) and a mechanism to link those
       | records (I think person A mentioned in birth certificate C the
       | same person as person B mentioned in marriage certificate D). The
       | family tree is the accumulation of these the documents and the
       | assumptions you made. It is possible that when you encounter a
       | new document, you have to drop some of your assumptions, because,
       | for example, it does occasionally happen that a person with a
       | same (or similar) name is born on the same date in the same city.
        
         | WarOnPrivacy wrote:
         | > It is possible that when you encounter a new document, you
         | have to drop some of your assumptions, because, for example, it
         | does occasionally happen that a person with a same (or similar)
         | name is born on the same date in the same city.
         | 
         | Good grief yes. Families with the same surname, with kids born
         | in the same order and in the same years. I had a 3 pack of that
         | in one NJ town.
         | 
         | Man marries 3x, all named Lilly. Siblings Smith marrying
         | Siblings Jones. Second wife adopts first wife's name as their
         | nickname. Siblings swapping spouses (divorcing first). Parents
         | who reuse the name of a dead child, multiple times. Aging dad
         | who remarries daughter-in-law's mom. Women marrying men with
         | same surname (some related, some not).
        
       | LVB wrote:
       | I wish I could find a self-hostable version of a basic family
       | tree like this. The various genealogy apps I've set up have been
       | too complicated and off-putting for my extended family. They just
       | want to easily browse a family tree and see interesting dates,
       | locations, and photos of people. This site looks pretty much at
       | the level I'd like, but I don't feel like shoveling my personal
       | family data to some random company.
        
         | secabeen wrote:
         | https://www.grampsweb.org/
        
         | hooverd wrote:
         | That seems like the perfect use-case for overengineering
         | something with a graph DB.
        
           | spennant wrote:
           | LOL - I started a side project (never finished) that
           | leveraged Neo4J and GraphQL and attempted to mimic the
           | GedcomX spec.
        
         | spennant wrote:
         | https://www.webtrees.net
        
           | LVB wrote:
           | That's what I'm using, but the uptake by others isn't good. I
           | can't really blame them since it is a fairly heavy app with
           | tons of reports and charts.
        
       | sobkas wrote:
       | I might be a bit paranoid, but don't provide some random website
       | on the internet intimate information about your family. Someone
       | might learn about your ancestry at the worst possible moment...
        
         | WarOnPrivacy wrote:
         | Family Search is free to join and it's massive. Living profiles
         | are obfuscated tho.
         | 
         | Frankly, the people likely to harm me with data are those in
         | power - the same people that privacy laws don't apply to.
         | Randos are pretty much at the bottom of the threat stack.
        
       | kmonad wrote:
       | can the generated tree be downloaded in some common format? I
       | could not find any option like that.
        
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