[HN Gopher] Show HN: I got tired of reading "This posting has be...
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Show HN: I got tired of reading "This posting has been deleted by
its author"
Author : june07
Score : 24 points
Date : 2023-10-12 17:27 UTC (3 hours ago)
(HTM) web link (clippings.june07.com)
(TXT) w3m dump (clippings.june07.com)
| chankstein38 wrote:
| Why though? If a listing has been deleted, I know that it's no
| longer available, which I see as a feature. Is this just for meme
| or funny listings?
| june07 wrote:
| I've personally wanted to reference an ad after purchasing
| something or in other situations and it's gone. Again, think of
| physically clipping a newspaper ad. Pretty much just like
| http://wayback.archive.org/but on a more granular/niche scale.
| codetrotter wrote:
| I can relate to that. I live in a different country but we
| have a similar site site here.
|
| Reasons I personally like to revisit old ads sometimes:
|
| - Seeing prices that people asked for an item at different
| times, and the full text of the ad and pictures so I can
| compare extras included and condition of item
|
| - Something I bought and I don't remember how much I
| originally paid for it
|
| - Things that I did not buy, but I want to remember for the
| future and perhaps buy similar item from someone else in the
| future
|
| - As a substitute for buying the thing. Instead of buying an
| item now I can keep a copy of the ad and over time I can
| think about whether I really need that thing, or if it is not
| as necessary as I impulsively had imagined
|
| - etc
| june07 wrote:
| Exactly these reasons as well! I've had them all too.
| chankstein38 wrote:
| Makes sense! Thank you for the explanation!
| rgovostes wrote:
| A friend of mine was a victim of a false Craigslist listing
| inviting people to come by his home and take "free" items from
| his property. The listing was removed before he got home from
| work and realized what happened. It would have been useful to
| have an archived copy of the listing.
| june07 wrote:
| Yep! Sorry to hear that but it certainly stands as a use case
| for this.
| chankstein38 wrote:
| Oh dang I never even thought of that. That seems like a solid
| use case. Sorry to your friend!
| CharlesW wrote:
| I don't get it.
|
| When I click on the topmost archived ad (https://clippings-
| archive.june07.com/craigslist/7675980380) I get a 404.
|
| Others work, but what is the value of a deleted ad?
| rolph wrote:
| if your really shadey you pick an posting/ad thats getting
| moby-like traction, archive it and as soon as the real deal is
| deleted, you spoof the post, and redirect, to ride its
| momentum, to influence your site visits.
| june07 wrote:
| No 404 anymore by the way, again, it was an issue with the
| Github deployment pipeline.
| june07 wrote:
| Looks like GitHub workflow to rebuild pages errored for some
| reason and that's why the 404 showed up. However, you'll notice
| that if you click on the direct link to the git content,
| everything is there.
|
| https://github.com/june07/clippings-archive/tree/main/craigs...
| CharlesW wrote:
| I just enjoyed the irony :^) and wish you well in fixing it.
|
| I'm still mystified about the purpose, though. Can you explain
| a use case or three?
| june07 wrote:
| Got scammed on CL buying something and want to reference the
| original ad for any "forensic" data. Of course the scammer
| will delete the post as soon as the item(s) are "sold". No
| problem, I'll just reference clippings because it's archived.
| There's one.
| minimaul wrote:
| The swipe ads for digitalocean on this are tremendously obnoxious
| as they break back and forward swiping on Safari on iPhone.
|
| That's not okay, don't do this.
|
| But hey, it's a way to guarantee that you'll annoy people enough
| to not use it.
| june07 wrote:
| Noted. Will address asap! Thanks.
| june07 wrote:
| Removed the ads until I can fix the problem you are
| experiencing. Click on App update available or reload the page
| again, if you'd be so kind.
| KomoD wrote:
| Pasted a listing, did nothing, just forever stuck on "saving"
| june07 wrote:
| Redis is fighting. Please try it again!
| june07 wrote:
| Which listing? I can try on my end as well.
| g232089 wrote:
| You can use https://archive.ph to archive webpages instantly and
| (seemingly) forever.
|
| Btw, I've been aching for a browser extension that saves a copy
| of every web site I visit so I can reach for the archived copy in
| my history window. Does anything like that exist?
| june07 wrote:
| Actually, discovered that site after building this! lol It did
| seem to be a good resource. However, there are certainly
| differences between Clippings and it. One big one being that
| Clippings is more narrowly focused on classifieds and not the
| web in general.
|
| Not sure about the browser extension...
| hexfish wrote:
| It's a bit more convoluted than just installing a browser
| extension but you could set something up with -for example-
| Archivebox:
| https://github.com/ArchiveBox/ArchiveBox/wiki/Scheduled-Arch...
| thih9 wrote:
| What about the right to be forgotten and similar laws?
|
| Is it legal to run a service like this when laws exist about
| providing the original author or a person present in a photo with
| a way to remove content or personally identifiable information?
| There are also copyright trolls and GDPR trolls, isn't a service
| like this an opportunity for them?
| generalizations wrote:
| What about my right to remember?
| june07 wrote:
| Love this.
| AlbertCory wrote:
| You have no such "right."
|
| You can always screenshot it.
| thih9 wrote:
| It doesn't prevent you from remembering.
|
| > The right to be forgotten leads to allowing individuals to
| have information, videos, or photographs about themselves
| deleted from certain Internet records so that they cannot be
| found by search engines.
|
| Source: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right_to_be_forgotten
| june07 wrote:
| Unfortunately, when you post ANYTHING online... one must assume
| it's like a tattoo... that is to say permanent. Not saying it's
| right or wrong (because believe me I have my own privacy/trust
| issues), just saying it is reality.
| krapp wrote:
| >Unfortunately, when you post ANYTHING online... one must
| assume it's like a tattoo... that is to say permanent. Not
| saying it's right or wrong (because believe me I have my own
| privacy/trust issues), just saying it is reality.
|
| It isn't reality. Reality is that it's simply data on a
| server. Data on a server isn't permanent, the web was never
| designed or intended to provide an immutable record of
| anything.
|
| Data is only saved when it has value, and only as long as
| that value exceeds the cost of maintaining continuous copies,
| and sometimes (as recently nearly happened with Google code)
| people simply become careless and the one and only copy of
| something vanishes without a trace. Many, many things have
| vanished from the internet without a trace.
| whelp_24 wrote:
| Just like tattoos they can fade.
|
| Assume permanent data when you want something deleted and
| temporary data when you want it saved. If you want it
| deleted it's probably because someone thinks it is worth
| saving. If you want it saved, well it doesn't mean anyone
| does,(or that who ever does will make it accessible) so
| you'll need to ensure it's paid for.
| june07 wrote:
| I appreciate this further use of the tattoo analogy. At
| its core, the data exists on a server, but it's
| intriguing to ponder how many times it has been
| duplicated, cached, and stored. How many individuals and
| devices have contributed to this process? Is there an
| absolute method to ascertain this complex journey?
|
| Undoubtedly, nothing on this planet, whether digital or
| physical, internet-based or in print, is truly
| everlasting. Eventually, everything returns to the earth,
| a poignant reminder of impermanence.
|
| Drawing a parallel to tattoo removal by laser, I'm
| reminded of an old girlfriend's experience. While she
| possessed a remarkable pain threshold, it was an ordeal
| she wouldn't willingly revisit.
|
| So again, I still feel data online is very much LIKE a
| tattoo in its permanent nature, and time only strengthens
| that feeling.
| bee_rider wrote:
| Many things have vanished without a trace from the
| internet, but it is essentially impossible to ever be sure
| that nobody has backed up a bit of data.
| jpc0 wrote:
| When I post anything online there is, in my opinion, an
| agreement in place there, similar to in real life.
|
| If I made an actual article hosted on a site which could be
| equated to news or magazines of old, I would assume it's
| permanent since I would assume the same in reality.
|
| If I post something in a discussion forum, I cannot be sure
| nobody there is recording it and keeping a copy of it
| indefinitely.
|
| I am however allowed to be upset and possibly persue legal
| action if the person who did happen to record it now sells it
| to anyone with enough money or trains an LLM on dictated
| versions of it.
|
| For the former I believe there is actual legal grounds with
| damages, for the latter I feel I can choose to never interact
| with that person again and disparage them publically for what
| they have done.
| xwdv wrote:
| Reddit is especially bad about this. I'm tired of seeing deleted
| posts leaving tattered conversations where you can hardly tell
| what someone is talking about. Content you post online should be
| as immutable as possible.
| AlbertCory wrote:
| Wrong. If the post is accumulating negative points, author
| should be able to delete it.
| whelp_24 wrote:
| why?
| bee_rider wrote:
| It destroys the conversation.
|
| It would be nice to be able to disown a comment, instead.
|
| Comments that accidentally reveal personal information, that
| would be a nice use-case for deletion. But on the other hand,
| nothing can be deleted from the internet, so having the
| button there could add a false sense of security.
| notesinthefield wrote:
| Are there not multiple ways to view deleted reddit posts or did
| they all get killed in the api deprecation?
| chankstein38 wrote:
| Especially the people whose history gets wholesale deleted on a
| regular schedule. I understand privacy but there are so many
| conversations on reddit that could be useful if not for the
| giant gaps caused by these kinds of things.
| june07 wrote:
| I hate getting a push notification for a Reddit post and then
| clicking on it only to find... "This posting has been deleted
| by its author." (the Reddit version of that)
| june07 wrote:
| We are headed to Black Mirror episode
| https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Entire_History_of_You, just
| saying. Particularly with smart glasses seemingly (for real
| this time) on the horizon. So, tools like this will pale in
| comparison to what's to come.
| jpc0 wrote:
| This here is at the forefront of the entire reason for the
| massive backlash at tge Reddit API changes.
|
| I created that content, I can decide what is done with it. If I
| dislike the direction reddit is going I should be able to
| remove said content and prevent reddit from generating income
| for it.
|
| Reddit didn't pay me to provide the information I did, neither
| did you. Neither of you are entitled to it remaining there
| indefinitely.
|
| I actually like OPs tool though, I don't have an issue with
| what it does, however I would if it stored that data on OPs
| servers and then trained an LLM on it or sold the information
| to an ad company.
|
| Suffice to say I think LLMs are going to degrade the general
| internet due to people not wanting what they said in an LLM. I
| personally post for other humans to benefit, not for a
| corporation to train an LLM on and make a ton of income. I'm
| fine however with a platform using tasteful ads to fund it's
| own operations.
|
| Insert random ideas about posts made online being equated to a
| public speech and where that falls in the copyright laws that
| currently exist for the future LLM that parses this stuff.
| xwdv wrote:
| Sorry to tell you, but once you post it on Reddit, the
| content is no longer yours.
|
| Not your content, not your choice.
| jpc0 wrote:
| I am still an individual in this world with rights no
| matter how much "the internet" feels that isn't true.
|
| Reference the current legislation being put in place around
| the world regarding privacy as proof that I am not in the
| minority here.
|
| Also it did work exactly like that since reddit allowed me
| to delete said content and and chose to stop posting or
| interacting with reddit.
|
| Could there be a copy my reddit history out there
| somewhere? Sure.
|
| Do I have an issue with that? Nope.
|
| Would I have an issue with that if that copy was held by
| reddit and they still trained LLMs or sold it to ad
| companies? Yes and I'm sure I also have legal standing on
| that backed by my government.
| throwaway14356 wrote:
| is anyone archiving advertisements for historical purposes?
|
| I tried looking for banners one time, squares skyscrapers etc.
| (Just to populate a rotation script.) but couldn't find anything.
| rekabis wrote:
| What's wrong with a screenshot? Greenshot is my choice of Windows
| app for capturing just limited clips of the screen and either
| saving them directly to the drive or dumping into the clipboard
| for elsewhere paste.
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