[HN Gopher] Fuchsia F14 ___________________________________________________________________ Fuchsia F14 Author : mbStavola Score : 33 points Date : 2023-11-03 21:38 UTC (1 hours ago) (HTM) web link (fuchsia.dev) (TXT) w3m dump (fuchsia.dev) | biorach wrote: | what's this for again? | goalieca wrote: | So google can inject adware into the kernel itself instead for | Android. | anotherhue wrote: | Yeah Google didn't control enough of the stack for their | liking. | rwmj wrote: | Is it still being funded by Google? That seemed to be in doubt | earlier in the year. | Grazester wrote: | It's an open source project that is developed by Google(not | funded by). It's use on their Google hub devices. They had | layoff in the department but until they decide to discontinue | their smart devices then they will continue active | development of this. | fidotron wrote: | In seriousness it is so that Google could update a kernel and | any board/platform specific drivers would (in principle) be | unaffected, plus all the extra security. | | In theory a great idea. | 0cf8612b2e1e wrote: | I also want to know why they did not start with seL4 as the | base. A Proven micro kernel foundation with real resources to | provide all the missing user space pieces would be a huge win | for the industry. | lugu wrote: | They probably started with LK because it had all the drivers | from Qualcomm. | | https://fuchsia.dev/fuchsia-src/concepts/kernel/zx_and_lk | jsight wrote: | I wonder the same thing. There's enough there that it could | replace the basis for Chrome OS, right? I wonder if that could | happen in the near-ish future. | | Maybe also it could find its place in Google servers, and | more... eventually? | bbkane wrote: | Interesting that F13 and F14 (this release) aren't listed on the | parent page: https://fuchsia.dev/whats-new/release-notes | | Regardless, from a "software tourism" perspective, I'm happy to | see Google is still putting work into Fuschia. I read somewhere | that the team has been really impacted by layoffs. | | I personally think the time is ripe for an OS with more modern | security primitives than Linux/Windows. | birdyrooster wrote: | It would be nice if macOS had some competition. | hotnfresh wrote: | No joke, this was my main hope for fuschia. I don't think | Linux or the BSDs can compete without a total re-think of | their multimedia and GUI stacks (and the needed re-think does | not look like Wayland). | | I'm no longer too hopeful that Fuscia will be it, with its | snail's-pace development and seemingly having been back- | burnered on top of that, but it's what I'd hoped to get out | of it. | dontlaugh wrote: | Wayland is close to macOS windowing, just like systemd is | close to launchd. That's how open source can approach the | competence of macOS, or Windows for that matter. | IntelMiner wrote: | The longer this project seems to...drag on? without "replacing | android" the more I get a sense it seems like somewhere that | Google engineers who aren't "good enough" go to "rest and vest" | | As far as I'm aware it runs on exactly one Google product, | because they aborted attempts to shoe-horn it into some others? | harikb wrote: | I would give them the benefit of doubt that there are forces | outside of the control of those who are really building these | things. Frankly, kind of presumptuous to call them inferior | engineers. Working on an OS, particularly one that has to out- | perform ios and android isn't simple. | 0cf8612b2e1e wrote: | When you see the massive progress being made by say the Redox | project (Rust based microkernel), it feels there has to be | something internal which is preventing the project from | advancing. | vore wrote: | What mass market hardware is Redox being shipped on direct | from manufacturers? Fuchsia is shipping on the Nest Hub, | where is Redox? | wiseowise wrote: | Android is one of the most successful Google products, why | would they announce that this experimental whatever it is is | replacing it? | readams wrote: | It's not going to replace Android, but it could replace the | Linux part that lives under Android. | tomcam wrote: | Downvoted because while I don't love Google, I really don't | like passive aggression like this, especially when it's wrong. | | > ... the more I get a sense it seems like somewhere that | Google engineers who aren't "good enough" go to "rest and vest" | | The rest and vest thing is rare but the exception is usually | people in acquihires they don't want to let go of. Usually | they're the opposite of what you're imagining--very smart | people they just don't want working at other companies. | | The ones who aren't good enough are released. This is 2023. | megiddo wrote: | If it was a company you could trust with LTS, it would be | interesting. | Andrex wrote: | Seven years of Pixel updates and 10 years of ChromeOS updates | aren't _nothing._ | ahmedfromtunis wrote: | For people who understand this type of things, how would you | describe the internals of this OS compared to Linux? How is this | better/worse than Linux from a code standpoint? | jauntywundrkind wrote: | How does HN feel about every tech submission having a quickly | topvoted thread that is either an explainer or asking for an | explainer? | | It's kind of interesting to me to see the various takes. But I | also kind of feel like folks should just go search for the | thing & find & recommend something, rather than asking what is | this for each time (sometimes very rudely! Not here thanks | you!). https://hn.algolia.com/?q=fuchsia | remir wrote: | Beside Google, is there other companies contributing to and | building products with Fuchsia? ___________________________________________________________________ (page generated 2023-11-03 23:00 UTC)