[HN Gopher] Fuchsia F14
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       Fuchsia F14
        
       Author : mbStavola
       Score  : 33 points
       Date   : 2023-11-03 21:38 UTC (1 hours ago)
        
 (HTM) web link (fuchsia.dev)
 (TXT) w3m dump (fuchsia.dev)
        
       | biorach wrote:
       | what's this for again?
        
         | goalieca wrote:
         | So google can inject adware into the kernel itself instead for
         | Android.
        
           | anotherhue wrote:
           | Yeah Google didn't control enough of the stack for their
           | liking.
        
         | rwmj wrote:
         | Is it still being funded by Google? That seemed to be in doubt
         | earlier in the year.
        
           | Grazester wrote:
           | It's an open source project that is developed by Google(not
           | funded by). It's use on their Google hub devices. They had
           | layoff in the department but until they decide to discontinue
           | their smart devices then they will continue active
           | development of this.
        
         | fidotron wrote:
         | In seriousness it is so that Google could update a kernel and
         | any board/platform specific drivers would (in principle) be
         | unaffected, plus all the extra security.
         | 
         | In theory a great idea.
        
         | 0cf8612b2e1e wrote:
         | I also want to know why they did not start with seL4 as the
         | base. A Proven micro kernel foundation with real resources to
         | provide all the missing user space pieces would be a huge win
         | for the industry.
        
           | lugu wrote:
           | They probably started with LK because it had all the drivers
           | from Qualcomm.
           | 
           | https://fuchsia.dev/fuchsia-src/concepts/kernel/zx_and_lk
        
         | jsight wrote:
         | I wonder the same thing. There's enough there that it could
         | replace the basis for Chrome OS, right? I wonder if that could
         | happen in the near-ish future.
         | 
         | Maybe also it could find its place in Google servers, and
         | more... eventually?
        
       | bbkane wrote:
       | Interesting that F13 and F14 (this release) aren't listed on the
       | parent page: https://fuchsia.dev/whats-new/release-notes
       | 
       | Regardless, from a "software tourism" perspective, I'm happy to
       | see Google is still putting work into Fuschia. I read somewhere
       | that the team has been really impacted by layoffs.
       | 
       | I personally think the time is ripe for an OS with more modern
       | security primitives than Linux/Windows.
        
         | birdyrooster wrote:
         | It would be nice if macOS had some competition.
        
           | hotnfresh wrote:
           | No joke, this was my main hope for fuschia. I don't think
           | Linux or the BSDs can compete without a total re-think of
           | their multimedia and GUI stacks (and the needed re-think does
           | not look like Wayland).
           | 
           | I'm no longer too hopeful that Fuscia will be it, with its
           | snail's-pace development and seemingly having been back-
           | burnered on top of that, but it's what I'd hoped to get out
           | of it.
        
             | dontlaugh wrote:
             | Wayland is close to macOS windowing, just like systemd is
             | close to launchd. That's how open source can approach the
             | competence of macOS, or Windows for that matter.
        
       | IntelMiner wrote:
       | The longer this project seems to...drag on? without "replacing
       | android" the more I get a sense it seems like somewhere that
       | Google engineers who aren't "good enough" go to "rest and vest"
       | 
       | As far as I'm aware it runs on exactly one Google product,
       | because they aborted attempts to shoe-horn it into some others?
        
         | harikb wrote:
         | I would give them the benefit of doubt that there are forces
         | outside of the control of those who are really building these
         | things. Frankly, kind of presumptuous to call them inferior
         | engineers. Working on an OS, particularly one that has to out-
         | perform ios and android isn't simple.
        
           | 0cf8612b2e1e wrote:
           | When you see the massive progress being made by say the Redox
           | project (Rust based microkernel), it feels there has to be
           | something internal which is preventing the project from
           | advancing.
        
             | vore wrote:
             | What mass market hardware is Redox being shipped on direct
             | from manufacturers? Fuchsia is shipping on the Nest Hub,
             | where is Redox?
        
         | wiseowise wrote:
         | Android is one of the most successful Google products, why
         | would they announce that this experimental whatever it is is
         | replacing it?
        
           | readams wrote:
           | It's not going to replace Android, but it could replace the
           | Linux part that lives under Android.
        
         | tomcam wrote:
         | Downvoted because while I don't love Google, I really don't
         | like passive aggression like this, especially when it's wrong.
         | 
         | > ... the more I get a sense it seems like somewhere that
         | Google engineers who aren't "good enough" go to "rest and vest"
         | 
         | The rest and vest thing is rare but the exception is usually
         | people in acquihires they don't want to let go of. Usually
         | they're the opposite of what you're imagining--very smart
         | people they just don't want working at other companies.
         | 
         | The ones who aren't good enough are released. This is 2023.
        
       | megiddo wrote:
       | If it was a company you could trust with LTS, it would be
       | interesting.
        
         | Andrex wrote:
         | Seven years of Pixel updates and 10 years of ChromeOS updates
         | aren't _nothing._
        
       | ahmedfromtunis wrote:
       | For people who understand this type of things, how would you
       | describe the internals of this OS compared to Linux? How is this
       | better/worse than Linux from a code standpoint?
        
         | jauntywundrkind wrote:
         | How does HN feel about every tech submission having a quickly
         | topvoted thread that is either an explainer or asking for an
         | explainer?
         | 
         | It's kind of interesting to me to see the various takes. But I
         | also kind of feel like folks should just go search for the
         | thing & find & recommend something, rather than asking what is
         | this for each time (sometimes very rudely! Not here thanks
         | you!). https://hn.algolia.com/?q=fuchsia
        
       | remir wrote:
       | Beside Google, is there other companies contributing to and
       | building products with Fuchsia?
        
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