[HN Gopher] Intel Itanium IA-64 Support Removed with the Linux 6...
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       Intel Itanium IA-64 Support Removed with the Linux 6.7 Kernel
        
       Author : scrlk
       Score  : 60 points
       Date   : 2023-11-02 15:31 UTC (2 days ago)
        
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       | jamiek88 wrote:
       | It's funny thinking back to the hype cycle of Itanium back in the
       | heady days where performance was doubling every year, desktop was
       | king and this was the _future_.
       | 
       | Turns out it was more like IBM's MCA / PS2 rather than the
       | future.
       | 
       | Compatibility and ubiquity wins. As nearly always.
        
         | chx wrote:
         | 2009 summary
         | https://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2339629,00.asp
         | 
         | > The failure of this chip to do anything more than exist as a
         | niche processor sealed the fate of Intel--and perhaps the
         | entire industry, since from 1997 to 2001 everyone waited for
         | the messiah of chips to take us all to the next level.
         | 
         | > It did that all right. It took us to the next level. But we
         | didn't know that the next level was below us, not above. The
         | next level was the basement, in fact. Hopefully Intel won't
         | come up with any more bright ideas like the Itanium. We can't
         | afford to excavate another level down.
        
           | cubefox wrote:
           | This piece sounds like a lot of misrepresentation and
           | exaggeration.
        
             | chx wrote:
             | Whether the DEC Alpha development stopped because of Merced
             | (as it was called then) or because of the 1997 legal mess
             | https://www.wired.com/1997/10/intel-dec-settle-alpha-chip-
             | di... is quite hard to say.
             | 
             | The DEC Alpha architecture was planned for 25 years and it
             | certainly was not technical barriers that killed the Alpha
             | 21464.
        
               | jabl wrote:
               | In the end it was market forces that did it in. Making
               | new chips was (still is!) exponentially more expensive
               | for each generation, and at the same time mass market
               | chips were getting better and better while they could
               | amortize the NRE costs over zillions of chips sold,
               | eating the market from below. And other RISC competitors
               | (and IA-64) were attacking from the sides. DEC just
               | didn't have the customer base or depth of pockets to fund
               | Alpha development. That it was Itanium that ultimately
               | delivered the coup de grace was but the final insult.
        
         | postmodest wrote:
         | As someone working in that space at that time, IA64 was still
         | losing to Sparc64 the entire time. We would do big boxes on
         | Solaris and replace older Sun boxes with ia32 Pentium Pros.
         | There wasn't really ever a point at which we thought "hm, RISC
         | isn't working for us, we need VLIW" ...and we were an HP
         | shop!!!
        
         | brookst wrote:
         | I still get confused whether the real name is _Itanium_ or
         | _Itanic_
        
         | rasz wrote:
         | It was only the future until release date forced it to face the
         | reality.
         | 
         | Linus Torvalds in 2003:
         | https://yarchive.net/comp/linux/x86.html
         | 
         | >Itanium 2 doesn't hold a candle to a P4 on any real-world
         | benchmarks.
        
         | twoodfin wrote:
         | _Compatibility and ubiquity wins. As nearly always._
         | 
         | I'm not particularly confused about Intel's perspective on
         | compatibility: Even at the time, there were several examples of
         | successful platform CPU transitions across architectural "full
         | breaks". Apple going from 68k to PowerPC is the closest analogy
         | for Intel, and if the Itanium performance and software
         | (compiler) story had played out as Intel envisioned they likely
         | would have been fine.
         | 
         | But as for ubiquity, I'm befuddled. As far as I've been able to
         | determine--having lived through it and followed many
         | retrospective threads like this looking for new evidence--Intel
         | had _no plans_ on any useful timeline to turn Itanium into a
         | (non-workstation) desktop or laptop chip. Did they really think
         | the market would stay bifurcated between "big iron"
         | architectures and x86 personal machines for another decade? I
         | can't imagine they would have believed that.
        
       | reidacdc wrote:
       | On the one hand, I am not surprised -- at my workplace, we only
       | ever had one Itanium system, an SGI Altix 3000-series computer.
       | It was kind of niche even when we bought it, and core-for-core,
       | the Itanium CPUs were slower than their competitors. What the SGI
       | was really good at was MPI parallelism. I don't know how much of
       | that was the CPU and how much was the overall system design of
       | the Altix, which featured a pretty amazing interconnection fabric
       | (CrayLink, I think?), and cache-coherency and a sophisticated
       | memory model. But not all problems parallelized well, so the
       | system ended up kind of being this weird outlier that was a good
       | answer to some classes of problems, but you had to remember it
       | existed.
       | 
       | On the other hand, it's a bit of a shame to formally, officially
       | lose another option out of the computing ecosystem.
        
         | cy384 wrote:
         | numalink, 1.6GB/s in 2003!
         | 
         | there's an altix 3000 on ebay that I'm kinda tempted by
         | https://www.ebay.com/itm/174917876903
         | 
         | it only runs like one specific version of suse or red hat
        
       | pixelesque wrote:
       | Previous discussion from a few days ago:
       | 
       | https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38115989
        
       | jl6 wrote:
       | The latest 9700 models from 2017 are still in support until 2025!
        
         | linsomniac wrote:
         | I presume you mean "by Intel", because Linux has other ideas.
         | :-)
        
       | pram wrote:
       | The Itanium sales forecasts never fail to make me laugh. Aged
       | like the finest wine:
       | 
       | https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/88/Itanium_...
        
         | tux3 wrote:
         | Contrast with the notorious IAE solar forecast:
         | https://zenmo.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/01/iea-vs-reality-...
         | 
         | Statistics and modeling are complicated, granted. But when your
         | model diverges from reality 5 years in a row, perhaps you
         | should just extrapolate the current line next time around.
         | 
         | (In the case of the Itanic, that would have been the line at 0.
         | Still a better forecast than what they did!)
        
           | duskwuff wrote:
           | > Contrast with the notorious IAE solar forecast
           | 
           | "There's no way this level of growth can be sustainable."
           | 
           | "Surely we've hit a stable level by now."
           | 
           | "Maybe that last year was a fluke."
           | 
           | Love to see it. :)
        
         | nullc wrote:
         | Easily one of the best illustrations on Wikipedia.
        
       | karmicthreat wrote:
       | I had a manager that loved these things. He would show horn eBay
       | one's into any gambling backend he did. It was terrible,
       | impossible to support and made accomplishing anything a chore.
       | Rust in peace.
        
       | dvaletin wrote:
       | Why it took so long?
        
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