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       Automata: The Extraordinary "Robots" Designed Hundreds of Years Ago
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       Author : jstanley
       Score  : 16 points
       Date   : 2023-11-05 20:51 UTC (2 hours ago)
        
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       | mastazi wrote:
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       | Animats wrote:
       | Great subject, poor video. Too much 'wow' and travel photos, not
       | enough explanation of what's going on in those things.
       | 
       | I've seen the Jaquet-Droz automata[1] in Neuchatel on the one day
       | a month they run them. They're demoed by a watchmaker who
       | understands and maintains them.
       | 
       | The three automata are the Musician, the Artist, and the Writer.
       | These were made between 1764 and 1778. The Musician and the
       | Artist are just playing back pre-recorded motions from a set of
       | cams. To increase the length of the recording up, there's a stack
       | of cams, and after one turn, the stack moves vertically to play
       | the next cams. So there are two clockwork trains taking turns -
       | playout, and cam selection. It's a beautiful piece of work,
       | especially when you realize someone made all those cams by hand,
       | with a file.
       | 
       | The Writer, which writes text with a quill, is programmable.
       | There's the stack of cams that move vertically to switch cams, as
       | with the others. But with the Writer, the cam selection is
       | programmable. There's a programming wheel made of little screw-on
       | sections of different heights, and a supply of cam sections which
       | indicate what letter to print next. It's an encoding with at
       | least 26 different levels, probably more. I'm not sure if letter
       | case is encoded on the main cam.
       | 
       | It's all very compact, fitting inside the bodies of the dolls.
       | There's no huge mechanical box hidden away somewhere. Even today
       | it would be tough to make that mechanism work, although there are
       | still watchmaking companies that could do it.
       | 
       | Better video of the Writer.[2] You can see the cam stack and the
       | programming wheel working.
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       | [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jaquet-Droz_automata
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       | [2] https://youtu.be/ux2KW20nqHU
        
         | dirtyv wrote:
         | The entire time I felt as if the narrator was aggressively
         | disgusted at me
        
         | jstanley wrote:
         | I agree that the video doesn't do a very good job of explaining
         | the workings of the automata, but I don't think that makes it a
         | poor video.
         | 
         | I don't think he is trying to explain how they work, he's just
         | trying to give an overview of the topic, with particular focus
         | on how they influenced the society around them, and I think he
         | did a good job.
        
         | jsenn wrote:
         | There's an episode of BBC In Our Time about Automata:
         | https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b0bk1c4d
        
       | jstanley wrote:
       | A little while ago I was confused about why, given that
       | watchmaking as a field _exists_ , we don't have any other field
       | of endeavour that uses the same techniques. Why is it that we can
       | make tiny systems of springs and gears, and yet the _only_
       | application we can find for these systems is luxury watchmaking?
       | 
       | Well, this documentary answered that question for me: there used
       | to be other applications! And if you imagine how you would
       | recreate some of these automata yourself, you'll work out why we
       | don't use these techniques today: it's not because we are under-
       | utilising a valuable craft; it's because we have software.
       | 
       | It's not that we can't _find_ other applications for tiny gears
       | and springs, it 's that we have better options. The only reason
       | to create things out of gears and springs is if you don't have
       | software and stepper motors. But now we do, and we don't even
       | realise how great it is!
       | 
       | It used to be that if you wanted to do something complicated, you
       | had to painstakingly make it all out of bespoke gears and
       | springs, because there was literally no other way, but nowadays
       | we use simple generic components for the mechanical parts, and we
       | put the bespoke parts in software, and we can get so much further
       | with so much less effort.
       | 
       | There will always be a place for great craftsmanship with tiny
       | mechanical systems, the same way there will always be a place for
       | bushcraft and there will always be a place for retrocomputing.
       | But that the mainstream has moved on from these things is _not_ a
       | step back, it 's for a very good reason.
        
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