[HN Gopher] GPTs: Custom versions of ChatGPT ___________________________________________________________________ GPTs: Custom versions of ChatGPT Author : davidbarker Score : 293 points Date : 2023-11-06 18:18 UTC (2 hours ago) (HTM) web link (openai.com) (TXT) w3m dump (openai.com) | alvis wrote: | I have been utilising GPT to create my own app, and now openAI | wants to be the only app that matters. I'm not sure whether I | should be excited or not :/ | topicseed wrote: | They will allow revenue sharing so then it's a matter of how | many customers they'd be able to offer you for your app; and | whether it makes sense for you to distribute through them or | bypass them and distribute yourself. | elforce002 wrote: | This business model will only serve them in the long run. | Luckily for us, open source llms are getting traction and we | won't depend on "open"AI to implement features on our apps. | mickdarling wrote: | Well, they tried to put a government sponsored moat in the way | of other people building AI companies that would be competing | with them. Thankfully, they mostly seem to have whiffed the | ball on that one. This plan of theirs to monetize the creation | of agents and other tools that take advantage of their | underlying infrastructure is a good secondary kind of moat. | Because, if your tool relies on their underlying | infrastructure, even if you could build something different, | the infrastructure is required. This may be a "less-evil" way | to keep them building things and making tools available without | completely locking out competition. | fatherzine wrote: | Every prompt you put in somebody else's LLM goes into the | training set of the next iteration of said LLM, with the | explicit purpose of replacing you as a cognitively, and | therefore economically, relevant entity. The only dignified | move is not to play, though it's a very difficult choice. It | probably not a winning move, though at this point there are no | obvious winning moves -- you and I and all our loved ones will | be obsoleted and replaced by tech within the next few years. | Concretely, to not play means to stop feeding the machine data, | i.e. disconnecting from the digital world. Given how | digitalized society is becoming, possibly also from the modern | society altogether. Godspeed. | oezi wrote: | I think all technological revolutions have caused similar | transformations which obsolete certain types of activities | and push novel activities to the forefront. | | Not playing is certainly possible but could be a losing | strategy as well. | bbor wrote: | I like to think about it from the perspective of the far | future, looking back on me as a historical actor. I have no | idea what will happen exactly, of course, but I can't imagine | a moral/social crisis of the past where "cross your fingers | and hope it goes away" is a move I'd approve of... | | That said, your worry is one I definitely share. I guess I | just hope more people think of ways they can try to | ride/shape this wave, rather than stop/weather it. | willsmith72 wrote: | > you and I and all our loved ones will be obsoleted and | replaced by tech within the next few years | | What is this? When has this ever proved true, despite being | spouted throughout all history? It's such an easy, throwaway | and meaningless sentence. | | Please explain further. Replaced how? By what? What's going | to happen to the humans in the next few years? | Aerbil313 wrote: | What is your job? Chances are, it's nothing an AGI (based | on LLMs) can't do, and an AGI is possible, today. People | are building these things today, check out GitHub. And if | you don't believe GPT-4 cannot do your job cheaper than | you, just wait for GPT-N, which will be able to. | willsmith72 wrote: | Progress isn't linear. Point me to an AGI on GitHub. Our | definition of work changes based on the greatest possible | technology at any given moment. | zeroCalories wrote: | When your startup is a repackaging of another company's tech I | don't see how you can be surprised when a big player swoops in | to kill you off. | cornholio wrote: | What did you expect? Surely it was just an MVP, and you | expected OpenAI to commoditize its complements? Right? | | On the long run, if your idea or app can be expressed as a | flavor of a general GPT, you will not be able to compete with | the AI gorillas. The space for AI startups is with custom, | highly niched data or capabilities, that cannot be found in a | general corpus, or that you can uniquely generate or control. | ahmedhosssam wrote: | I thought about the same thing, I've seen a lot of apps that | have similar ideas like "ChatGPT chatbot for your data or your | website", I don't know how will they deal with it. | awfulneutral wrote: | The icon for the game explainer one is a die with two 5s on it. I | wonder if they use ChatGPT to write their blog articles as | well... | timdiggerm wrote: | Definitely a very funny example of their own product's | shortcomings | 1970-01-01 wrote: | If it was any good, the "Negotiation" GPT would quickly get you | paying extra for its services. | fudged71 wrote: | Poe has done a great job in this space, quite a large marketplace | of existing bots. I'm excited to see what it can do with the | extra vision, D*ALLE, and Code Interpreter models. | ahmedfromtunis wrote: | Any new tech that has the potential of advancing the human | species I am excited for. And this is one of these. | | The challenge is how to adapt to create new opportunities. | colesantiago wrote: | Awesome, I've been waiting for something like this. | | It looks like we are moving away from apps to web GPTs, this | looks like chatbot interface is here to stay and 'AI' is now the | default interface that is to be expected. | | I also don't need to spend lots of money on a developer to test | my ideas out, this is great for product validation, I look | forward to playing with GPTs. | | I can see writing, travel and other bots being more enhanced and | more powerful, hopefully existing startups will adapt to this | change. | | Exciting and interesting times! | atleastoptimal wrote: | I wonder how much money I could make making "GPTs" full time. | Barrier to entry is nonexistent so I imagine highest revenue ones | if this becomes a serious thing people use will be advertised | externally or have some proprietary info/access. | siva7 wrote: | I'm not sure i understand? | atleastoptimal wrote: | The GPT's making the most money will be made by larger | companies who advertise use of it and maybe make it a funnel | to their in-app integration, or GPTs which are made effective | by information that is proprietary. | ca_tech wrote: | This makes me think of the Alexa skills ecosystem which is | full of low quality skills. Many of which have poor data | practices abstracted away behind the scenes. How long until | "Chat with your favorite character from [Intellectual | Property]?" which is simply made to promote a new film or | collect data. | | A good paper on the state of the Alexa skills BTW | | SkillVet: Automated Traceability Analysis of Amazon Alexa | Skills https://ieeexplore.ieee.org/document/9619970 | bbor wrote: | Part of the announcement is that they'll open up an app store | w/ revenue sharing of some kind. "In the coming months" or | smtn | stevesearer wrote: | I bet if you combined GPT creation with Zapier integrations you | could help a lot of people and companies. | toomuchtodo wrote: | Thoughts on Zapier trying to become OpenAI faster than | OpenAPI can become Zapier? There will always be a long tail | of APIs that folks want integrating, but the most popular | APIs are perhaps only a few hundred in number (Google | Calendar and Slack, for example). | jimmyl02 wrote: | I feel like history has shown that those who own the | platform end up winning and in this case OpenAI's platform | of models seems much harder to recreate. My guess is this | would lead to Zapier using OpenAI as a platform and | eventually OpenAI would re-create Zapier's integrations | before the other way around. | toomuchtodo wrote: | I think this perspective is fair and historically | accurate wrt platform risk, but I also strongly believe | Zapier has substantial value beyond what historically has | been acting as a conduit between APIs. Customers don't | want a pipe between their services, they want to automate | their mundane work with a robot. | JCharante wrote: | So many zapier integrations are half baked. A lot of them are | good for reacting to events but not for searching for data | (i.e. you can use zapier to react to a jira ticket change but | can't use zapier to query jira for ticket info) | bbor wrote: | I think something could be said for "virality" as well - could | easily see some entertainment or lifehack themed templates | blowing up on TikTok. No one wants to post the output of the | _lame, less popular_ template on their story! | oezi wrote: | How many people made any money from the plugins for ChatGPT? | minimaxir wrote: | Plugins failing was more due to lack of visibility, which a | GPT Store does solve. | manojlds wrote: | Depends on features. How much data can I give it and how | much can I customize it? | singularity2001 wrote: | How does the store solve visibility? In the demo it looked | like there was a select list of Custom Assistants in the | left panel which he manually had to click, so not much | different from plug-ins? | | Right he said something about promoting the best but what | about the discoverability? | avarun wrote: | ChatWithPDF made a TON of money, for one. | euazOn wrote: | Source? | colesantiago wrote: | I agree. | | Anyone with factual data (proprietary or not) is now an input | away to AI / GPTs. | | Data (or a new foundational model) is now the moat. | altdataseller wrote: | What sort of data do you think will be the most valuable to | input to AI? | j7ake wrote: | Data has always been the moat no ? | jatins wrote: | > I wonder how much money ... | | I saw that announcement and my immediate thought was "God yet | another thing passive income youtubers will be shilling soon" | | In general, I was a little confused by this. Sam's demo of | creating a GPT didn't seem particularly exciting as well. | atleastoptimal wrote: | OpenAI in a weird way has mediocre marketing. The examples | they use for Dalle-3 are way worse than the average ones I | see people cooking up on Twitter/Reddit. They only seem to | demo the most vaguely generic implementations of their app. | Even their DevDay logo is just 4 lines of text. | RobertDeNiro wrote: | Just the fact that they decided to stay with what is | essentially a highly technical acronym i.e. GPT, as their | major product line says a lot. | imdsm wrote: | And yet in a way I find this refreshing | falcor84 wrote: | I think that's actually crucial in that they want to | trademark this otherwise generic term | Aerbil313 wrote: | Omg... Thinking about their push for regulation with | this... Are they after something like keeping advanced | generative pretrained transformer LLM model technology to | themselves, prohibiting others, at least in American | economy where regulations can be applied? | andrewmunsell wrote: | To be fair, the name "ChatGPT" has quite a bit of | mindshare and I've found many non-technical folks | referring to _any_ generative AI product as "ChatGPT" or | "GPT". Yet, if you asked any single one of them what | "GPT" stood for, they'd have no clue. | JCharante wrote: | To be fair, I'm a dev who uses chatgpt on an hourly basis | and I had no idea what GPT stood for until I googled it | just now. I think it's kinda smart to make people | strongly associate GPT with OpenAI | toomuchtodo wrote: | "Generative Pre-trained Transformers" for those who don't | want to leave the page. | singularity2001 wrote: | I've heard all permutations of "GPT" "GPP" "GTP" etc. | block_dagger wrote: | I think it might be the ubiquity of the term "GPT" as it | relates to OpenAI from a public branding perspective. | manojlds wrote: | Better that than do a silly rename ala X. | shawnc wrote: | I don't recall which interviews I saw it stated in, but I | believe Sam said in one or two of his world tour stops, | where he stated they deliberately have gone with a | technical name instead of a human name to help remind | those using it that it's not a person. So I think that | coupled with the mindshare (as others have stated) it | already holds, makes a lot of sense to stick with it. | minimaxir wrote: | Sam's "all our marketing is from word-of-mouth" was | refreshingly honest. | toomuchtodo wrote: | Would be somewhat humorous to plug OpenAI into ad | platforms, give it budget, and say "go market yourself as | effectively as possible." | JackFr wrote: | Need some Boston Dynamics flair. | conradev wrote: | I would pay money for a GPT that was incredible at naming | types in Swift | | I'd pay for one that was good at programming rubber ducking | | There are specific sub-tasks that everyone would pay for to | make their lives easier. This marketplace is trying to make | that efficient | NiagaraThistle wrote: | I find NORMAL ChatGPT a good programming Rubber Duck and | use it often. | bilsbie wrote: | I'm not clear who the market is? Why someone buy one? | imdsm wrote: | Imagine a "GPT" that could generate websites and provide you | with a live deployment as you change it using natural | language. A website builder GPT that is primed to output and | design in a decent way, that has all the prep beforehand to | use particular libraries, and integrations with something | like Render. | | People would pay for that. | | Sh--... I better build it! | user_7832 wrote: | All fun and games until someone sues because the | "hallucinated" product description didn't match the | product... | block_dagger wrote: | One can come up with all sorts of ideas like this, but | building it will be a matter of slow iterations at prompt | engineering in a mixture of natural language and data | structures and will be at the whim of changing APIs, | including the backing ChatGPT model. Sounds messy, hard to | manage, hard to test...or am I missing what the actual | process will be for creating one of these? | mirekrusin wrote: | Worry not, surely there will be GPT for creating GPTs. | CSMastermind wrote: | I'm more confused how the revenue share works. Do they get part | of my ChatGPT subscription fee? Am I paying extra? Per bot? Per | amount of time I consult with the bot? | zwily wrote: | Yeah he didn't explain at all how GPTs would be monetized. | torginus wrote: | And seeing how OpenAI is moving up the value chain, what's the | guarantee they won't come up with an in-house competitor to the | bot that was built on their platform? | Uehreka wrote: | > I wonder how much money I could make making "GPTs" full time | | I don't get why people are thinking along these lines at all. | Like, if you don't own and control the LLM yourself, what makes | you so sure OpenAI will allow you to make money at all? They | could make advertising externally or hosting external | marketplaces against the TOS. They could copy your GPT and put | their "official" version at the top of the store page. Just | because a technology is powerful does not necessarily mean you | can make money off of it. | michaelmior wrote: | > what makes you so sure OpenAI will allow you to make money | at all? | | They might not. But if they do, I'd imagine there are a lot | of people who will try. And as long as you're not dependent | on the income stream they provide, you don't have much to | worry about if it gets shut off. | jes5199 wrote: | ChatGPT is the new iPhone. Dealing with a walled-garden app | store is never a great experience, but we'll do it because | that's where the users are | stale2002 wrote: | The answer is because the bot market is a creator economy | market. | | It takes significant effort to come up with good use cases, | build the prompts, and advertise the bots. | | So a company can get a lot of value by going after this up | and coming type of "content creator". | ren_engineer wrote: | not much based on what OpenAI has been doing lately, using | their own customers as product research and then copying the | best ideas. OpenAI pretty much has to keep a huge lead in model | capabilities or developers are going to stop using them for | this reason | | basically copying the Microsoft strategy of Embrace, Extend, | Extinguish. Makes sense they took so much funding from | Microsoft | ilaksh wrote: | Right now, zero. They didn't say when it was rolling out or | what percentage they would share. It might be something like | 10%. Lol. | atleastoptimal wrote: | I will make a bot that makes GPTs, and a bot that makes other | bots that make GPTs | truakon89 wrote: | But where is the option/link to create a GPT? I can't find it | imdsm wrote: | 1 pm PST -- path /create | bbor wrote: | I think I speak for a few of us AI Doomers here when I say that | this makes me excited and terribly anxious at the same time. | So... well done OpenAI :). Great news, and a great feature! | | I have no doubt that this will immensely increase uptake among | the less technically literate, since it will allow the techy | people in their life (or on the app store) to introduce them with | much less friction. It'll be like the little examples you can | find on the "New Chat" screen of every chatbot, but 1000x more | engaging | cubefox wrote: | You clearly aren't much of a doomer yet. There is nothing | exciting about a looming catastrophe. | pphysch wrote: | *laughs in Accelerationism* | | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Accelerationism | MeImCounting wrote: | If the catastrophe is mega-corps getting to monopolize a | valuable technology because people saw The Terminator and | thought it was a documentary then any announcement from | OpenAI is bad news. | cubefox wrote: | The catastrophe is humanity going extinct from | superintelligent AI. Like a native species going extinct | after an invasive species arrives. Mentioning Terminator is | like saying the Earth is flat because Hitler said it is | round. | MeImCounting wrote: | This reminds of the Eliezer Yudkowsky tweet saying that | AI was going to hack our DNA and use our bodies to mine | bitcoin or something. Ridiculous fearmongering. | | I have probably read more sci-fi than the average HN user | but the whole "superintelligent AI is going to kill us | all" hysteria is among the more ridiculous ideas I have | ever heard. | | Really though I have entertained all the doomers | propositions and none of them seem any more likely than | the plot of the Matrix. The ideas that prop these fears | up are based on layers of ever more far fetched | hypothesis about things that do not exist. If you have a | novel reason why AI poses an x-risk I am more than | interested in hearing it. | | Here is a really interesting quote that I think might go | against some of the misanthropic tendencies of doomers | and the tech crowd in general but it really is more | relevant than ever: "There was also the Argument of | Increasing Decency, which basically held that cruelty was | linked to stupidity and that the link between | intelligence, imagination, empathy and good-behaviour-as- | it-was-generally-understood - i.e. not being cruel to | others - was as profound as these matters ever got." | cubefox wrote: | A species doesn't automatically get more altruistic | towards other species once it gets smarter. Look at how | many species humanity drove to extinction. | MeImCounting wrote: | True humans have been remarkably ignorant throughout our | short history. Though you might notice though that most | folks dont go around abusing animals or hurting other | people on purpose. Take from that what you will. | | Give this essay a read if youre interested in good faith | arguments about the danger of AI at the current state of | development. https://1a3orn.com/sub/essays-propaganda-or- | science.html | | Maybe together as a species we can avoid hellish | cyberpunk dystopias brought on by regulatory capture of | the most powerful technology created by humans thusfar. I | can only hope. | siva7 wrote: | So i guess the next wave of startups has been killed. I'm not | even sure what kind of startup still makes sense as a gpt thin | wrapper? | ethanbond wrote: | None of them, but here's the thing: they _never_ made any | sense. | RobertDeNiro wrote: | Yeah none of them ever did, and that was always very obvious. | If you can make it by wrapping a few API calls, you have no | moat and anyone can steal your idea/customers. | constantly wrote: | They never made sense long term, of course. But, plenty of | first movers made a bundle of money making chatgpt wrappers | and marketing the hell out of them. In that context, they | probably made sense for a small subset of people for a small | slice of time. | colesantiago wrote: | This meme is getting very old and tired. | | What kinds have been 'killed' I don't see this anywhere. | Tankenstein wrote: | Many startups have started over the past few years, trying to | build infrastructure (shovels) for companies to integrate | LLMs, or specific chat copilots trying to cater to a specific | usecase. Most are dead in the water once OpenAI subsumes | their feature set. | BoorishBears wrote: | ... is what people who don't understand positioning will | parrot time and time again. | | Jasper isn't having a good time, but you'd think the fact | anyone can produce better output than they did after | spending millions of dollars in GPT-3 based pipelines for | $20 a month would mean they're dead dead. | | But instead they went and changed their positioning, | changed who their target market is, adjusted the UX, the | messaging, and the feature set, and now it's a product that | has a place even if OpenAI can give all of your marketers | an internal ChatGPT (unless your plan is to have 100 | different "GPTs" for every marketing task in your company) | | tl;dr: People fail to realize that OpenAI can offer your | startup's core value proposition tomorrow morning, and it | doesn't matter if they don't offer it in a format that | resonates with your target users. | | You could have a cure to cancer and you'd still have to | market it correctly. | sergiotapia wrote: | If your startup is just a thin wrapper for GPT, it's DOA | regardless. Trivial moat is always a trivial moat. | | You must use LLMs as a launching point to something else, some | kind of 10x in a vertical. | | Being able to "chat" is table stakes and worthless to you as a | company by itself. | dragonwriter wrote: | > I'm not even sure what kind of startup still makes sense as a | gpt thin wrapper? | | Startups don't make sense as thin wrappers around another | company's product when that company is aggressively expanding | that product is a core offering that the vendor is aggressively | working to provide as an integrated solution for as many | markets as possible, which very much applies to OpenAI | offerings in general, and its chat models especially. | | A wrapper that also leverages some exclusive special sauce | data, algorithm, etc., for which you have a real moat as a key | component, that makes some sense. But just a thin wrapper | around GPT? That's just asking to have your market eaten by | OpenAI. | | It might make some sense for products where the vendor is a | stable, steady-state infrastructure supplier for many markets | without any evident interest in entering the same market as the | startup, where the uncertainty across markets that they would | create by specifically targeting your startups market would | hurt them more with their established customers than they would | gain from your niche, but even that is risky because it | requires lots of potentially-erroneous assessments of how the | vendor would expect their other customers to react to them | acting in your market. | api wrote: | Thin wrappers around anything never make much sense. They're | trivially replaceable. | audiala wrote: | Even if they create a great UX/UI? GPT would be like the | motor of the car, there is still all the structure to build | around it. | levmiseri wrote: | Some use cases are still valid I hope. E.g. content generation | on a massive scale. An example of that that I'm tinkering with: | https://meoweler.com | anigbrowl wrote: | Can I ask what the goal is here? It's cool to be able to spin | up a nicely designed website (and it is nicely designed and | has a good aesthetic), but isn't the content going to be | semantically empty? I don't want to be negative but it feels | like cheap plastic imitation of a real thing, and the web is | already full of spammy low quality content. Aren't you in | danger of your products having a very short life cycle and | ending up as digital landfill, so to speak? | levmiseri wrote: | This specific manifestation will likely have the fate of a | digital landfill, but I'm generally excited about the | prospect of mass content generation in some specific domain | use case (as long as it's a field where the quality either | doesn't matter all that much or what GPT4 spits out is | sufficient). | | This particular project is mostly messing around and | learning how to use the API, but even here I was surprised | about the overall quality of the generated content. | tacone wrote: | It's just commoditization, hard things now becoming a lot | easier and value proposition to move up elsewhere. | | It happened with hardware, operative systems, web tools such as | maps etc. | Implicated wrote: | > Your access to custom GPTs isn't ready yet. We're rolling this | feature out over the coming days. Check back soon. | | > Go to ChatGPT | | Sad. Have a real-world use case ready to go and a plus account. | empath-nirvana wrote: | Is this basically them deploying fine tuned models? It wouldn't | be very interesting to just be using custom prompts. | bbor wrote: | I don't know for sure but I'd bet BIG money that these do not | include automatic fine-tuning, though I still understand them | to be a bit more powerful than just "custom prompts" -- think | templates, or sets of custom prompts for specific | (sub-)situations. | | This is the kind of feature that will prove to be a minor | improvement for anyone on this forum, and a complete paradigm | shift for the less technically-inclined. IMO. | dragonwriter wrote: | > Is this basically them deploying fine tuned models? | | From the description of the past outside practice it is | marketed as moving into OpenAI's offering, it sounds more like | its custom _prompts_ , not fine-tuned models. | bearjaws wrote: | More specifically, it seems like a RAG (retrieval augmented | generation) system than fine tuning. | minimaxir wrote: | The GPT Store will prove to be an interesting moderation and | quality control experiment for OpenAI. Apple/Google have spent a | lot of time and money on both of those things and they still have | issues, and that's not even accounting for the fact that AI | growth hackers will be the primary creators of GPTs. And a | revenue sharing agreement will provide even more incentive to do | the traditional App Store marketing shennanigans. | teabee89 wrote: | "Example GPTs are available today for ChatGPT Plus and Enterprise | users to try out including Canva and Zapier AI Actions." and yet | as a paying ChatGPT Plus customer, neither the Canva nor the | Zapier AI Actions link work for me, I get a "GPT inaccessible or | not found" error for Canva or Zapier. | vinni2 wrote: | I have the same issue, my guess is they are still rolling out. | | Edit: here is the message I get: | | Your access to custom GPTs isn't ready yet. We're rolling this | feature out over the coming days. Check back soon. | nomel wrote: | OpenAI is a sane company. They do rollouts for new features. | joshstrange wrote: | No, they just lie in their marketing | | > Example GPTs are available today for ChatGPT Plus | | or | | > Starting today, no more hopping between models; everything | you need is in one place. | | Neither of which are true. I'm a paying user and I have | access to neither. They do this _all the time_. They announce | something "available immediately" and it trickles out a week | or more later. If they want to do gradual rollouts (which is | smart) then they should say as much. | duxup wrote: | Is this just the role and content type data being set as you | might with their dev tools? | gzer0 wrote: | Posting from another comment in a different thread, everything | that is new from OpenAI developer day: - Context | length extended to 128k (~300 pages). - Better memory | retrieveal across a longer span of time - 4 new APIs: | DALLE-3, GPT-4-vision, TTS (speech synthesis), and Whisper V3 | (speech recognition). - GPT-4 Turbo, a more intelligent | iteration, confirmed as superior to GPT-4. - GPT-4 Turbo | pricing significantly reduced, about 3 times less expensive than | GPT-4. Input and output tokens are respectively 3x and 2x less | expensive than GPT-4. It's available now to all developers in | preview. - Improved JSON handling (via JSON mode) and | function invocation for more sophisticated control. - | Doubled rate limits with the option to request increases in | account settings. - Built-in retrieval-augmented generation | (RAG) and knowledge current as of April 2023. - Whisper V3 | to be open-sourced and added to the API suite. - Copyright | Shield initiative to cover legal fees for copyright-related | issues. - Ability to create your own, custom "GPTs". | - Assistants API and new tools (Retrieval, Code Interpreter) | - 3.5 Turbo 16k now cheaper than old 4k. 0.003c per 1k in / | 0.004c per 1k out. | pvg wrote: | https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&que... | ilaksh wrote: | I can't access the GPTs stuff. I haven't actually got the last | update either with the combined models or anything. | runjake wrote: | https://archive.ph/fEp7m | | For others like me that are getting errors accessing the page. | ilaksh wrote: | https://chat.openai.com/gpts/editor "You do not currently have | access to this feature" | Roritharr wrote: | Probably a staged rollout once again leaving people outside of | the US wait. | ilaksh wrote: | I mean, I am in the US, have been waiting for the last | rollout still.. | judge2020 wrote: | I'm in the US and still don't have it. | ccakes wrote: | Ahh.. is that why I've been on the waitlist since day 1 for | ChatGPT Enterprise? | | C'mon OpenAI, we're /trying/ to give you money here! | chabad360 wrote: | Nah, I'm in the US (with a US based account) and I'm still | getting the message it's rolling out over the next few days | (you have to open a sample to see that message). | littlestymaar wrote: | > The best GPTs will be invented by the community | | > We believe the most incredible GPTs will come from builders in | the community. Whether you're an educator, coach, or just someone | who loves to build helpful tools, you don't need to know coding | to make one and share your expertise. | | "Please work for us for free, while we keep all the product of | your work for ourselves like we did with the content we scraped | on the internet." | | OpenAI really is next level parasitism. | leobg wrote: | Isn't that the game they all play? Amazon Marketplace. Apple | App Store. Let the guinea pigs run. See which one gets the | furthest. Then take away its lunch. | glitchc wrote: | The cynical me thinks the point of calling these GPTs is a ploy | to trademark the term "GPT". | leobg wrote: | Thought the same thing. | heavyshark wrote: | Any word on when the GPTs will be available? | imdsm wrote: | 1 pm PST | Y_Y wrote: | Fuck that, release your models and let the "community" (of unpaid | volunteers) freely use and own what they create | rickcarlino wrote: | I'm very excited about all the new developments but must say that | they really dropped the ball on marketing this one. The feature | name is ambiguous and unsearchable. | bparsons wrote: | Hasn't this been around for a while? | cafxx wrote: | Would be nice also if they fixed the ubiquitous "network errors" | that happen approximately every single time... | mg wrote: | So these "GPTs" are the combination of predefined prompts and | custom API access? Not customly trained LLMs? | | If so, I guess you can make such a "GPT" on your own server and | independent from a specific LLM service by using a prompt like | ...you have available an API "WEATHER_API". If you need the | weather for a given city for a given day, please say | WEATHER_API('berlin', '2022-11-24') and I will give you a | new prompt including the data you asked for... | | Or is there some magic done by OpenAI which goes beyond this? | BoorishBears wrote: | If you want to be independent for academic/personal reasons, | sure you can. | | If you want reasoning capabilities that Open Source hasn't | matched before today, and I'm guessing just got blown out of | the water on again today... there's no reason to bother. | mg wrote: | You don't need to use an open source LLM for the approach I | described. You can still send the prompts to OpenAI's GPT-4 | or any other LLM which is available as a service. | BoorishBears wrote: | What other LLM will compete with GPT-4 Turbo (+ V)? At most | you're hedging that Anthropic releases a "Claude 2 Turbo (+ | V)": is complicating your setup to such a ridiculous degree | vs "zero effort" worth it for that? | | If things change down the line the fact you invested 5 | minutes into writing a prompt isn't going to be such a huge | loss anyways, absolutely no reason to roll your own on | this. | dragonwriter wrote: | > If things change down the line the fact you invested 5 | minutes into writing a prompt isn't going to be such a | huge loss anyways | | If things change down the road such that your tool (or a | major potential downstream market for your tool) is | outside of OpenAI's usage policies, the fact that you | invested even a few developer-weeks into combining the | existing open source tooling to support running your | workload either against OpenAI's models or a toolchain | consisting of one or more open source models (including a | multimodal toolchain tied into image generation models, | if that's your thing) with RAG, etc., is going to be a | win. | | If it doesn't, maybe its a wasted-effort loss, but | there's lots of other ways it could be a win, too. | dragonwriter wrote: | > If you want to be independent for academic/personal | reasons, | | Or OpenAI's usage policy limits reasons (either because of | your direct use, or because of the potential scope of use you | want to support for downstream users of your GPT, etc.) Yes, | OpenAI's model is the most powerful around. Yes, it would be | foolish not to take advantage of it, if you can, in your | custom tools that depend on _some_ LLM. Depending on your | use, it may not make sense to be fully and exclusively | _dependent_ on OpenAI, though. | burningion wrote: | That's the thing, we don't know. | | The lack of transparency for how the product works behind the | scenes will most likely make it difficult to build something | effectively. | jatins wrote: | Yeah I don't _think_ there is a lot "magic" in custom GPT. | | However creating something like this previously required a | Jupyter notebook but now just...asking for it. Makes it | accessible to 10x more people | ChrisArchitect wrote: | [dupe] | | More discussion over here: | https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38166420 | minimaxir wrote: | HN generally allows multiple related announcements for keynotes | such as this. | tracerbulletx wrote: | Can anyone explain what "extra knowledge" means specifically? Is | that like fine tuning? How much data can I give it to learn? How | much can it retain? Can it be updated over time? | minimaxir wrote: | The keynote used a .txt file of a lecture that the user | uploaded as a data source the model can select from. From a | technical perspective, it's anoher data source for retrieval- | augmented generation (RAG) doing a vector search in the | background: | https://platform.openai.com/docs/assistants/tools/knowledge-... | tracerbulletx wrote: | Ah ok, thank you. | singularity2001 wrote: | "optimizes for quality by adding all relevant content to the | context of model calls." So for their own profits they | maximize recall and let GPT handle precision. | Racing0461 wrote: | I doublt it's fine tuning (actually changing the model | weights). It's more like "im going to paste a text blob then in | the following chats i will ask questions about it) type inner | prompt. | singularity2001 wrote: | For longer documents it uses vector embeddings | ankit219 wrote: | They showed a demo where you could upload a file while creating | an agent. As others have answered. I think it's about | configuring an agent in a way that you give it material on some | specific topic (one file, multiple files) and it uses Retrieval | to augment the answer based on the source material. | | Google launched Notebook LM[1] a while back which does a | similar thing conceptually. It allows you to import a Google | drive folder with docs of the stuff you would want to | understand and then just chat with it. It's a good product but | restrictive in the sense that it only allowed Google docs. | | [1] https://blog.google/technology/ai/notebooklm-google-ai/ | vunderba wrote: | The demo just showed a file dialog box where they could upload | a set of static files. What I'd really like to see is the | ability to sync a source integration (for example into a GitHub | repo or a notion account), and it would always pull relevant | information using a RAG architecture. | dang wrote: | Related ongoing threads: | | _New models and developer products_ - | https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38166420 | | _OpenAI DevDay, Opening Keynote Livestream [video]_ - | https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38165090 | Racing0461 wrote: | Barrier to entry for commercial or useful GPTs/Plugins/"Agents" | is almost non-existant since its just a str.concat(hiddenprompt, | user_prompt), the secret sauce (ie the weights, chat timeout and | context length) are already generated/limited by OpenAI and they | already have the content moderation/"hr dept" baked in at the | weights level. So even if one was to create a "story writer | helper" GPT, i don't see how it would be of any value generating | new, unique and interesting content other than the prompt recipes | we already have on reddit/r/chatgpt (heres 1000 prompts for every | use case) that creates netflix like plots (inclusively diverse | casting across ethnicities and orientations, socially conscious | storylines, modern jargon-filled dialogue, themes of empowerment, | progressive characters, and non-traditional relationship | dynamics). | | This will most likely be like the google play store with a 99% of | GPTs being a repackaged public prompt. | ofermend wrote: | Excited about GPT4-Turbo and longer sequence lengths. Looking | forward very much for faster inference. We just released | Vectara's "Hallucination Evaluation Model" (aka HEM) today | https://huggingface.co/vectara/hallucination_evaluation_mode..., | with a leaderboard: https://github.com/vectara/hallucination- | leaderboard GPT-4 was already in the lead. | | Looking forward to seeing GPT4-Turbo there soon. | rco8786 wrote: | Does anyone know if this is just a "native" RAG implementation? | Or if it's actually fine tuned models? | minimaxir wrote: | Native RAG, with likely some secret sauce to align the models a | bit better: | https://platform.openai.com/docs/assistants/tools/knowledge-... | | > Retrieval augments the Assistant with knowledge from outside | its model, such as proprietary product information or documents | provided by your users. Once a file is uploaded and passed to | the Assistant, OpenAI will automatically chunk your documents, | index and store the embeddings, and implement vector search to | retrieve relevant content to answer user queries. | hospitalJail wrote: | This is sooo nice. What is everyone using for theirs? Here is | mine | | "Be brief, give 10 answers, give probabilities that each answer | is the best/most correct" | Vfiorx wrote: | Make and train your own LLM and you can literally duplicate your | brain power and productivity. For almost free. Where's everyone's | digital doubles? | Vfiorx wrote: | I don't understand why more people aren't creating digital | doubles of their brain..? You train your own LLM for practically | free and have your own digital double to maximize any and all | productivity. Why is there not more of this? | bluecrab wrote: | Startup funeral. | nojvek wrote: | Googles: Custom versions of Google. | | Anyone can easily build their own Google. No coding is required. | You can make them for yourself, just for your company's internal | use, or for everyone. Creating one is as easy as starting a | conversation, giving it instructions and extra knowledge, and | picking what it can do, like searching the web, making images or | analyzing data. | | The whole point of ChatGPT was go to one single place for all | your knowledge needs. | | The whole point of Amazon is the largest collections of things | you can buy and have it delivered to your doorsteps in a few | days. | | I don't want many GPTs. I want one GPT that can reliably digest | all information available on the internet, understand it, | organize it and allow me to do useful things with it. | | It's the same enshittifaction on Whatsapp that Meta is doing with | Celebrities AI like SnoopDog AI that are gimmicks. | | Please don't build gimmicky features. Leave that to the community | via integrations. | jes5199 wrote: | for a while, adding a custom google search to your website was | considered a great feature | BoorishBears wrote: | https://search.brave.com/goggles/create | | https://developers.google.com/custom-search/v1/overview | | https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/bing/search-apis/bing-cust... | vunderba wrote: | They still have that - it's just regular GPT-4. One immediate | application about this one is that it makes it trivial to | create a fine tuned version of GPT based on your data, where | you can upload a series of documents that can basically act | like a set of embeddings that augment the regular GPT trained | data. | nomel wrote: | > create a fine tuned version of GPT | | No. It's unclear fine-tuning is happening. Many are guessing | it's RAG. | gustavopch wrote: | Being able to have multiple personae could be very useful. | | One persona may not give you the answer you're looking for, but | another one may. I think maybe they should require the GPTs to | have human names though so people intuitively understand that. | | Like, Paul can't help me with this task, so let me ask Monica | instead. | | They could even interact. | nomel wrote: | A good example is creative/idea work vs fact work. You don't | want creative facts, and you don't want fact bounded | creativity. You either have a prompt ready to paste, to prime | the conversation/context, or you can use a personality. | | One "uber" AI is great, but it requires guidance into the | context you're interested in, including yourself. For | example, the default ChatGPT will assume you're uneducated | about any topic you ask about. | | I think this all fits perfectly into what Sam Altman talked | about in the Lex Friedman podcast: people want an AI that | fits their own worldview/context. Custom instructions, and | "about yourself" are good starts, but sometimes you want to | talk to a chef, and sometimes a scientist. | gfodor wrote: | > The whole point of ChatGPT was go to one single place for all | your knowledge needs. | | That's just your own perception. OpenAI is trying to build AGI. | You entered into the storyline at a specific junction and | jumped to conclusions based on the limits of your own | imagination, or something. | nojvek wrote: | Right. All I'm sayin is I want the God level AGI, the king of | kings of AGI. | | Allowing me to customize ChatGPT is the same itty bitty | intelligence, like putting a new mask on ChatGPT. | | OpenAI changed their values to 'AGI Focus'. This seems like | OpenAI losing focus. | jes5199 wrote: | they mentioned revenue sharing in the keynote, and I'm eager to | find out how that is going to work. There isn't much money in the | $20/month subscription to go around to very many other developers | ilaksh wrote: | What I was thinking for my own agent hub thing was to sell | universal credits and charge per use or token. Then agent | developers could specify what they want to charge. | jes5199 wrote: | that's kinda interesting but I'm not sure it maps well to the | value added by a GPT app. Like, I'm imagining that I'll do | old fashioned API work and GPT will the UI layer - sure, the | tokens are the most expensive part, but the value for the | customer comes from easy access to whatever is on the backend | Dowwie wrote: | Does this summarize to Pre defined custom instructions and | workflows? What categories of fine tuning are associated with | this work? | dongobread wrote: | I don't think the target market for this is people looking for | extremely knowledgeable LLMs that can handle deep technical | tasks, given that you can't even finetune these models. | | I'd guess this is more of an attempt to poach the market of | companies like character.ai. The market for models with a | distinct character/personality is absolutely massive right now | (see: app store rankings) and users are willing to spend insane | amounts of money on it (in part because of the "digital | girlfriend" appeal). | crooked-v wrote: | > digital girlfriend | | The ban on "adult themes" is part of the reason people use | services other than OpenAI for that kind of thing in the first | place. | JCharante wrote: | > ChatGPT Plus now includes fresh information up to April 2023 | | I'm so happy; I can finally ask questions about expo and trpc and | get fresh answers. I confirmed this by asking chatgpt about the | superbowl winners in 2022 & 2023. | singularity2001 wrote: | "you can now create custom versions of ChatGPT" | | how? login opens unrelated tab. | | Found it: | | https://chat.openai.com/gpts/discovery -> create own -> | | https://chat.openai.com/gpts/editor | anonymouse008 wrote: | Is this scary? They said revenue share - it sounds like a | streaming platform software licensing model. That sounds like | getting paid much less than 70%. | m3kw9 wrote: | So basically selling prompts but openai keeps the prompt a | secret. Is that it? | anonu wrote: | A couple dozen startups just died. | joshstrange wrote: | > We've made ChatGPT Plus fresher and simpler to use | | > Finally, ChatGPT Plus now includes fresh information up to | April 2023. We've also heard your feedback about how the model | picker is a pain. Starting today, no more hopping between models; | everything you need is in one place. You can access DALL*E, | browsing, and data analysis all without switching. You can also | attach files to let ChatGPT search PDFs and other document types. | Find us at chatgpt.com. | | It's so annoying how they say this, I refresh and I still have to | hop between models. Just say "rolling out over the next week" if | that's what's happening. I even logged out and back in and still | the same old way of doing it. | thih9 wrote: | Is this going to be openai's moat? | | E.g. one popular comment in the submission about twitter's new | "edgy ai" was that it could be reimplemented as a chatgpt | prompt[1]. Looks like this is even more relevant now. | | [1]: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38148845 ___________________________________________________________________ (page generated 2023-11-06 21:00 UTC)