[HN Gopher] The trouble with ingredients in sunscreens
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       The trouble with ingredients in sunscreens
        
       Author : adomasm3
       Score  : 59 points
       Date   : 2023-11-07 19:46 UTC (3 hours ago)
        
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       | lancefisher wrote:
       | I've started to minimize my use of sunscreen. It still important
       | to stay protected from the sun, but long sleeves, hoods, hats,
       | and pants are a great alternative. The lightweight sun shirts are
       | comfortable and more convenient.
       | 
       | For my kids, I got them cheap wetsuits from Amazon for the time
       | we spend camping at the lake. This is also cheaper than
       | sunscreen. They can fully manage it on their own since about age
       | 6 or 7.
        
         | TedDoesntTalk wrote:
         | this is a good solution but doesn't protect the face. zinc
         | oxide (physical sunscreen) is a good choice for the face that
         | doesn't have the problems in the article.
         | 
         | Of course, zinc oxide looks terrible - white hue - but there
         | are some that are not as bad as others. I use Neutrogena Sheer
         | Zinc Kids (roll-on, so adults and kids can use it easily).
         | After a little rubbing, it's still noticeable but just barely.
         | The "regular" neutrogena sunblock - lotion style - has one or
         | more of the chemicals that break down into benzene. Some of
         | them were in the FDA recall. The EWG article doesn't mention
         | these break down into benzene. It shoulld. ConsumerLabs did a
         | thorough review and analysis.
         | 
         | The summer 2023 Consumer Reports (not ConsumerLabs) article on
         | sunscreen had absolutely no mention of the sunscreen recalls
         | (2021, 2022, 2023) and in fact recommended some products that
         | had been recalled and are known to break down into benzene and
         | benzophenone. Any residual respect I had for them is now gone.
        
           | copperx wrote:
           | Tinted zinc oxide face sunscreen is fantastic, and it covers
           | face blemishes. It's like makeup lite.
           | 
           | Zinc/titanium oxide for the body is a more problematic, I've
           | haven't found a brand that blends well.
        
             | TedDoesntTalk wrote:
             | Titanium dioxide protects primarily against UVB and much
             | less so for UVA. Zinc oxide protects against both.
        
           | stronglikedan wrote:
           | I found a good reef friendly zinc oxide (All Good Zinc Butter
           | Sunscreen) that doesn't give the white sheen when you rub it
           | in really well. A lil' dab'll do ya, as they say.
        
             | Moru wrote:
             | Don't sunscreen need to be pretty thick to be as good as it
             | says on the label?
        
           | talldatethrow wrote:
           | How does one get their required sun for vitamin D if taking
           | sunscreen so seriously?
        
             | TedDoesntTalk wrote:
             | Vitamin D supplements + Vitamin K2
        
             | galangalalgol wrote:
             | I still wear a hat, or cover up entirely if I will be out
             | all day, but the fern based pills like helicare or
             | solaricare or whatever seem to prevent me from burning, or
             | even reverse a mild burn if I take it fast enough. I have
             | no idea if it is preventing dna damage that would lead to
             | cancer. But I get a little tan by the end of the summer.
             | And I've never done that before. My dermatologist
             | recommended it so it must be fine...
        
           | devit wrote:
           | A silver-coated umbrella is very effective at protecting the
           | face as well as some of the upper body (or the whole body, if
           | the sun is directly overhead or the umbrella is huge), except
           | for UV reflected from elsewhere which I think is usually not
           | significant.
        
         | deathanatos wrote:
         | > _cheap wetsuits_
         | 
         | See "rash guards". They're light-weight UV-opaque T-shirts that
         | are intended to get wet, essentially. I wear one, and I do not
         | burn under it, even at the beach, in the sun, all day. _Do not
         | forget to apply sunscreen to your hands_ , since it doesn't
         | cover them -- I made that mistake exactly once. (And other
         | exposed areas, of course.)
        
           | LorenPechtel wrote:
           | Never heard of them before, sounds like they might be useful.
        
             | TedDoesntTalk wrote:
             | I've never heard them called wet suits or rash guards. Here
             | we call them "sun shirts" or "UV shirts". They are most
             | definitely not wet suits like scuba diver gear.
        
       | scythe wrote:
       | Sad to see this article reach the end of the scrollbar without
       | even a mention of the triazine sunscreens which are pervasive in
       | Japan and approved in the EU with no action from the FDA.
       | 
       | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bemotrizinol
       | 
       | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iscotrizinol
       | 
       | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethylhexyl_triazone
       | 
       |  _etc_
       | 
       | Concern over the FDA slow-walking approval of triazine sunscreens
       | was raised in the trade press no later than 2005:
       | 
       | https://pubsapp.acs.org/cen/coverstory/83/8315sunscreens.htm...?
       | 
       | To date there has been no movement.
        
         | _moof wrote:
         | Fortunately while we wait for the FDA to get its act together
         | we can buy triazine sunscreen relatively cheaply and have it
         | shipped here. I've been using Altruist:
         | https://altruistsun.com/
        
       | beefman wrote:
       | We briefly had nanozinc, which works for hours, stays on in the
       | water, and is good for skin. But it was cancelled in a bout of
       | consumer hysteria based on nothing. Fifteen years later we're
       | still stuck with chemical sunscreens that are irritating, work
       | for 30-60 minutes at a time, wash off in the water in 2 seconds,
       | and may actually be bad for health.
        
         | pixl97 wrote:
         | >Upon inhalation of ZnO nanoparticles, serious local effects in
         | the lung were observed. Even if this may be due to the
         | solubilized Zn ions, the effects are a direct result of the
         | exposure to the ZnO nanoparticles. Therefore, the SCCS is of
         | the opinion that, on the basis of available information, the
         | use of ZnO nanoparticles in spray products cannot be considered
         | safe.
        
           | TedDoesntTalk wrote:
           | There are many zinc oxide sunscreens today that market
           | themselves as "non-nanoparticle" for this very reason. Pro
           | tip: don't ever use spray-on sunscreen, especially around
           | children who can't hold their breath.
        
             | slaymaker1907 wrote:
             | It's sometimes useful for areas with a bit of hair, but not
             | enough hair to protect the skin from the sun. However, if
             | you do use spray sunscreen, also make sure to do it outside
             | or other very well ventilated area.
        
           | beefman wrote:
           | Many sprays and powders are harmful to lungs, including zinc
           | oxide particles of any size. SCCS concluded nanozinc in non-
           | spray sunscreens is safe
           | 
           | https://ec.europa.eu/health/scientific_committees/consumer_s.
           | ..
        
       | coob wrote:
       | What about Diethylamino Hydroxybenzoyl Hexyl Benzoate (P20) ?
       | 
       | Is that available in the US?
        
       | sgt wrote:
       | I never use sunscreen... I just try to stay out of direct sun in
       | the worst parts of the day if I can. Wear a hat etc. Sun can be
       | pretty hot here in South Africa but that's a common approach I
       | think.
        
       | SoftTalker wrote:
       | Just basically whatever doctors and the FDA says is probably
       | wrong. That's the conclusion one can draw about the endless
       | stories like this.
        
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