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       iOS 17.2 hints at Apple moving towards letting users sideload apps
        
       Author : tech234a
       Score  : 45 points
       Date   : 2023-11-10 21:26 UTC (1 hours ago)
        
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       | tech234a wrote:
       | Documentation for the ManagedAppDistribution API:
       | https://developer.apple.com/documentation/managedappdistribu...
        
         | rcdemski wrote:
         | That's where my gut is landing on this one. They discussed
         | managed app distribution at WWDC and that's what feels like is
         | coming with 17.2.
         | 
         | In my enterprise land I'm excited for these cleaner
         | integrations for MDM app distribution.
        
       | hkchad wrote:
       | As long as I can disable that in the MDM
        
         | Hamuko wrote:
         | Can you do it for Mac apps? Because if you can, I can't imagine
         | it not being possible.
        
           | cweagans wrote:
           | Yes, you can. You can configure that through SoftwareUpdate
           | in an MDM profile for macOS.
        
       | Wowfunhappy wrote:
       | This article links to
       | https://9to5mac.com/2023/04/25/ios-16-restrict-features-base...
       | which I find almost more interesting:
       | 
       | > Currently, Apple uses hard-coding techniques to restrict iOS
       | features in specific locations. This means that most restrictions
       | are simply tied to the region of a device, either by software
       | settings or where that hardware comes from. But the company has
       | been working on a new, smarter way to precisely determine the
       | user's location.
       | 
       | > Based on our findings, the new system internally called
       | "countryd" was silently added with iOS 16.2, but is not being
       | actively used for anything so far. It combines multiple data such
       | as current GPS location, country code from the Wi-Fi router, and
       | information obtained from the SIM card to determine the country
       | the user is in.
       | 
       | > But why exactly is Apple developing this system? Well, we now
       | have a clue. [...] With the new "countryd" system, Apple will be
       | able to easily determine if the device is being used in an EU
       | country to allow sideloading.
       | 
       | ...so here's what I want to know. I live in the US, but I
       | absolutely must have sideloading if there is any chance it's
       | possible. What unholy things will I have to do to convince my
       | iPhone I'm in Europe?
        
         | vasdae wrote:
         | If you absolutely must have sideloading why don't you buy an
         | Android phone?
        
           | toast0 wrote:
           | Neither Android nor iOS permit sideloading of iOS apps.
           | Android doesn't help much if that's what you want to do.
        
             | cherryteastain wrote:
             | Uh what? Every Android phone lets you install apps via .apk
             | files.
        
         | bluish29 wrote:
         | > I live in the US, but I absolutely must have sideloading if
         | there is any chance it's possible. What unholy things will I
         | have to do to convince my iPhone I'm in Europe?
         | 
         | You can do this now but you will have to get apple developer
         | license for $99 and add your iPhone/iPad to the account and
         | generate signing certificate that you can use for side-loading
         | apps. A lot of effort and cost though but it is possible. And I
         | don't know if Apple will go after people if this becomes
         | popular.
        
         | samtheprogram wrote:
         | Wow I recognize your name, thanks for the macOS 10.9 fixes page
         | and your Chromium-Legacy downloader!
         | 
         | If sideloading becomes popular, the real goal is to just be
         | able to run those apps that aren't in the store, right? As a
         | sibling comment says, just registering/paying $99/year to use
         | those apps but signed as yourself seems like the easiest
         | route... unless you don't want to pay Apple ~$8/month for this
         | feature out of principal or monetary reasons.
        
         | akmarinov wrote:
         | Move to Europe!
        
       | bottlepalm wrote:
       | Could be a huge opportunity for Valve to work their compatibility
       | layer magic on iOS, and allow us to finally play sooo many
       | quality games that the iPhone is perfectly capable of running -
       | new and old.
        
         | smoldesu wrote:
         | Proton relies on DXVK, which needs relatively recent Vulkan
         | coverage to work.
         | 
         | You might be able to get Game Porting Toolkit to run on iOS
         | eventually, but that's probably a matter of hardware
         | compatibility (and of course, Apple blessing it).
        
           | ThatPlayer wrote:
           | MoltenVK might work though that only does up to Vulkan 1.2,
           | while DXVK requires 1.3. There is a legacy version of DXVK
           | that only requires 1.1. Or maybe MoltenVK can be improved.
        
         | guidedlight wrote:
         | Microsoft is also known to be working on an iOS gaming store,
         | as part of its Activision Blizzard acquisition.
        
       | graphe wrote:
       | Does anyone else read articles backwards? It seems to be the best
       | way for me to read articles since most of the are padded. The
       | last part was that it needs to be done by March 2024, if the was
       | the relevant info you care about.
        
         | frfl wrote:
         | Recipe blogs the are worst in this regard. Most have an essay
         | that you have to scroll past. I'm guessing in both cases, it's
         | about SEO.
        
           | ziddoap wrote:
           | I've only heard this anecdotally, and specifically for
           | recipes, but I've heard it's for copyright (and yeah,
           | probably SEO too). You can copyright your long-winded
           | explanation of your recipe, but not the recipe itself.
           | 
           | A quick search seems to support the idea:
           | 
           | > _Tips for Protecting Your Recipes_
           | 
           | > _1. Include Content Beyond the Ingredient List_
           | 
           | https://www.copyrightlaws.com/copyright-protection-recipes/
        
             | frfl wrote:
             | I didn't mention it, but yes, I've read the same thing. So
             | two things, SEO and copyrighting :)
        
           | Semaphor wrote:
           | Just in case you didn't know: almost all have a jump to
           | recipe button at the top
        
       | mrtksn wrote:
       | Although I'm generally happy with Apple's walled garden model,
       | IMHO sideloading is getting much more important than ever for a
       | few reasons:
       | 
       | 1) Apple engaging in rent seeking may stifle progress and create
       | another Nokia catastrophe. When a device is locked down, Apple
       | can make you purchase inferior services and if they can do it for
       | long enough they can end up irrelevant. Big things are happening
       | in China, not good idea to milk customers instead of head on
       | competition just because there's a political pressure on China
       | and locked down devices in users hands.
       | 
       | 2) Political instabilities all over the world. Apple services
       | might not be available all the time and they might be limited due
       | to political reasons.
       | 
       | 3) Huge appetite by the governments to control user's devices and
       | make vendors act as the police. Maybe you support this if you
       | feel like the power is on your side but don't forget that your
       | enemies can take over at any time. Locked devices are extremely
       | risky for any kind of resistance.
       | 
       | It's also very interesting if Apple can manage to make this EU
       | exclusive. If Europeans manage to come up with actually popular
       | use cases, can Apple deny this to US users? For how long? AFAIK
       | in China WeChat can do a lot of stuff that it's not allowed in
       | the West, can Apple pull this in EU-USA context? IMHO it would be
       | much harder.
        
         | yladiz wrote:
         | > It's also very interesting if Apple can manage to make this
         | EU exclusive.
         | 
         | I imagine it will be configurable, since I would guess there
         | will be region specific rules (for example China might only
         | want to allow App Store apps, which they can completely control
         | the distribution of).
        
       | apple4ever wrote:
       | I certainly hope so! Apple's App Store has repeatedly had
       | ridiculous rejections which stifles innovation, and their policy
       | of not allowing apps to purchase outside the App Store (such as
       | for Kindle and Netflix) is entirely customer unfriendly.
       | 
       | Nothing changes for people who want the full security, but for
       | others it allows a massively better device with the tradeoff of
       | lower security.
        
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