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       Microsoft support 'cracks' Windows for customer after activation
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       Author : layer8
       Score  : 54 points
       Date   : 2023-11-16 21:29 UTC (1 hours ago)
        
 (HTM) web link (www.bleepingcomputer.com)
 (TXT) w3m dump (www.bleepingcomputer.com)
        
       | FirmwareBurner wrote:
       | _> "It's literally easier to crack windows than to pay for it,"
       | exclaimed Pyburn._
       | 
       | Because Microsoft doesn't care if you crack it or pirate Windows
       | anymore as Windows stopped being their main cash-cow a long time
       | ago.
       | 
       | They know PC sales are slowly declining and that Windows is
       | loosing marketshare to Mac and Linux in an already shrinking
       | market, so they want as many people as possible to keep using
       | Windows, regardless if you pay for it or not, as that way they
       | maintain their OS monopoly and they can monetize users through
       | ads and subscriptions anyway.
       | 
       | That's why they stopped enforcing DRM checks on pirated Windows
       | keys, and even if you don't activate it, it still works fully
       | functional, with just a watermark as the only deterrent, big
       | whoop. Or if you want to be legit you can buy a 3 Euro gray-
       | market CD-key online which also activates just fine.
       | 
       | So unless you're a business or a super ethical user, there's
       | really no point in paying sticker price for Windows today when
       | the alternative ways of getting it range from dirt cheap to free.
        
         | joshuaissac wrote:
         | > They know Windows is loosing marketshare like crazy to Mac
         | and Linux so they want as many people to keep using it as
         | possible regardless if you pay for it or not.
         | 
         | That has been the case for a long time. Here is a quotation
         | from Bill Gates from 2007:
         | 
         | > "It's easier for our software to compete with Linux when
         | there's piracy than when there's not," Gates says. "Are you
         | kidding? You can get the real thing, and you get the same
         | price."
         | 
         | https://money.cnn.com/magazines/fortune/fortune_archive/2007...
        
         | flashback2199 wrote:
         | > Windows is loosing marketshare like crazy to Mac and Linux
         | 
         | The biggest change I've seen is in the stackoverflow developer
         | survey results and it was like a 10 percent difference over 5
         | years or something like that with the gain roughly split 50-50
         | between macOS and Linux
         | 
         | Then in the general population windows market share looks
         | stable
         | 
         | I'd love to have a link that shows otherwise though, I've tried
         | to find good data on this
        
           | FirmwareBurner wrote:
           | Meh, Stackoverflow is niche of devs who swing hard in the
           | Mac/Linux camp but don't represent the average user
           | worldwide.
           | 
           | Seems like current worldwide marketshare is just 63% for
           | Windows and in the US it's closer to 55% because Macs and
           | Chromebooks eat into that.
           | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fR7KqCbnjfw
        
           | yreg wrote:
           | Yeah, "loosing marketshare like crazy" probably only in the
           | software development / designer bubble.
        
             | candiddevmike wrote:
             | WSL + VScode ends up being a better Linux development
             | environment than most distros...
        
             | silisili wrote:
             | Those are a pretty big portion of people who buy and use an
             | actual computer anymore. Sure you still have plenty of
             | other desk jobs using some outdated version of Windows, but
             | the personal market is all but doomed. Even my 70ish year
             | old parents just use tablets for everything these days, and
             | MS has next to zero marketshare.
        
           | shantara wrote:
           | This and other surveys only take into account desktop/laptop
           | computers. For an average person their Android/iPhone or an
           | iPad has fully replaced their Windows PC. I'm certain that if
           | one included mobile platforms into the marketshare stats,
           | they would show a significant decline in the percentage of
           | people who use Windows.
        
       | cantSpellSober wrote:
       | > The Microsoft support engineer in this case, ran the following
       | PowerShell command
       | 
       | If there's no chiptune accompaniment, it's not a _real_ crack
        
       | nullindividual wrote:
       | Something to keep in mind is that these support agents do not
       | work for Microsoft. They're all outsourced. I've had Azure Pro
       | support experiences where the "engineer" suggested to do
       | something that was simply not possible within the Azure service I
       | was using.
       | 
       | Jump over to enterprise support and there's a good chance you'll
       | get an FTE (or an FTE after demanding an escalation).
        
       | layer8 wrote:
       | Slightly related, Microsoft recently stopped accepting Windows
       | 7/8 keys for Windows 10/11 [0], a change which now is also
       | causing issues when reactivation is triggered on existing
       | installations due to hardware replacements [1].
       | 
       | [0] https://www.theverge.com/2023/10/11/23913107/microsoft-
       | windo...
       | 
       | [1] https://www.theverge.com/2023/11/15/23958751/microsoft-
       | windo...
        
         | nzrf wrote:
         | Well that answers why my keys no longer work on recent re-
         | install. Ended up having to get grey market key. Figured after
         | 10 years wasn't the worst expense, but the amount of adverts
         | and telemetry they gather for the price not sure it's even
         | worth the 15 dollars.
        
           | all2 wrote:
           | You can get stripped down versions of windows on _ahem_ other
           | parts of the internet. If you 're going through the trouble
           | to get a grey-market key, might as well choose your
           | installation media with some care.
        
             | s3p wrote:
             | With complementary spyware of course
        
               | LordDragonfang wrote:
               | I mean, spyware comes standard with Windows 10 and 11
        
             | blibble wrote:
             | you can get the official media from Microsoft so there's
             | essentially no risk in using a grey-market key (other than
             | you may lose your $3)
             | 
             | vs. a random .iso from some dodgy forum containing god
             | knows what
        
         | freitzkriesler2 wrote:
         | Dang very good to know. I've been using a Windows 7 pro serial
         | for well over a decade. I just rebuilt my laptop a few months
         | ago too using that serialvamd activated without a problem.
         | Guess it's time to buy a windows 11 serial or (yuck) use the
         | home edition that comes for free.
        
           | all2 wrote:
           | _Hey kid, wanna buy a *nix?_
           | 
           | Give Linux a shot. Mint is a good easy-going distro that
           | debloats Ubuntu. They have a few different window managers
           | they offer and all of them are pretty good. The defaults are
           | sane and the whole thing is pretty easy to use.
        
             | layer8 wrote:
             | People around these parts are generally well aware of their
             | options.
        
         | forgotusername6 wrote:
         | I spent hours booting my new pc on windows 8 (with no network
         | drivers), manually activating by phone, only to have it be
         | unactivated again once I upgraded to windows 10.
        
       | WarOnPrivacy wrote:
       | > _who paid $200 for a genuine copy of Windows 10_
       | 
       | Ouch. I'd rather pay the far, far lower price that major PC
       | builders pay.
       | 
       | > _The Microsoft support engineer in this case, ran the following
       | PowerShell command on the customer 's Windows PC [the Massgrave
       | activate 1liner on Github]_
       | 
       | It works as advertised btw.
       | 
       | Just having one thing on the internet be not-hostile or having
       | something Microsoftish that isn't gaslighting me while being
       | malicious and exploitive - that in itself is nearly a joy.
        
         | yreg wrote:
         | There are resellers that are selling Windows keys (obtained in
         | bulk) for single digit dollar values.
         | 
         | European Court of Justice has declared that it is legal and
         | Microsoft has to accept it.
        
       | Prickle wrote:
       | I wonder how this would work relative to Microsoft's 'genuine'
       | services. I remember having a whale of a time on XP. Our
       | officially purchased Japanese CD of WindowsXP got "caught" as a
       | non-genuine product by Microsoft.
       | 
       | I assume the same/similar risk exists here for this user.
       | 
       | If you purchased the legal copy, and it doesn't work. Then a
       | official agent uses a illegal copy and activates your account.
       | Then you login to a microsoft account. Do you risk losing your
       | entire account due to a TOS violation?
        
         | freitzkriesler2 wrote:
         | Probably and this is why I wish after a certain amount of time
         | Microsoft would just release a DRM free release for VMs and
         | people who want to use it on period correct hardware.
         | 
         | I'm still rocking a serial I used back in 2003 for an older
         | machine I use for games and nostalgia.
        
           | teruakohatu wrote:
           | Where are these VMs? I tried to find a legitimate Microsoft
           | XP VM to run some old software but wasn't able to find any.
        
             | EMIRELADERO wrote:
             | Forget the VMs. You can use UMSKT
             | (https://github.com/umskt/umskt) to generate valid keys and
             | phone activation confirmation IDs for any pre-Vista MS
             | product.
        
             | bombcar wrote:
             | They took them down when they gave up on Edge.
        
         | kuratkull wrote:
         | That is why you try not to bind any important accounts to
         | anything remotely fishy. Goes for Google, goes for MS, goes for
         | everything. If you have an important account hard-linked to
         | something very important you are sitting on a ticking bomb.
         | 
         | EDIT: Whenever you see "Login with Facebook, Google, Github,
         | .... or email [hidden away in smaller font]", always choose
         | email.
        
       | mainpassathome wrote:
       | fun fact: the tool used is open source
       | 
       | https://github.com/massgravel/Microsoft-Activation-Scripts
        
         | hamhamed wrote:
         | the irony is that the code is hosted on github, a microsoft
         | owned corporation
        
         | wintermutestwin wrote:
         | Is this well known to be safe and trustworthy?
        
       | sandworm101 wrote:
       | Every bad day for windows is another great day for Linux. You
       | have a choice. Make it.
        
         | Lacerda69 wrote:
         | this is the year of the linux desktop!
        
           | vlachen wrote:
           | Surely this time!
        
       | wintermutestwin wrote:
       | Oh man. I bought a win 10 retail box and the key is valid, yet
       | activation just keeps failing. I have been putting off calling
       | support because this is for my gaming only PC. Maybe I shouldn't
       | bother calling whatever Indian body shop that MS uses for this
       | and I should just crack it myself? Seems safer? Is it? Can anyone
       | point me to a trustworthy crack and place to get it?
       | 
       | I hate this company and I am kicking past me who spent much of my
       | early career gleefully switching hundreds of firms over to
       | windows from Novell.
        
         | SSLy wrote:
         | well, if you look closely at the screenshots you have all your
         | answers.
        
         | layer8 wrote:
         | https://github.com/massgravel/Microsoft-Activation-Scripts
         | 
         | This is also the one used in TFA.
        
       | thedaly wrote:
       | To be fair, that activation script/crack does work really well
        
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