[HN Gopher] Cybertruck Launch
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Cybertruck Launch
Author : kaashmonee
Score : 33 points
Date : 2023-11-29 22:03 UTC (56 minutes ago)
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| NotYourLawyer wrote:
| I'm still somewhat on the fence. But it's looking pretty good:
| https://www.theautopian.com/i-saw-a-production-spec-tesla-cy...
| frob wrote:
| I would suggest exercising caution in using that article as a
| guide post. The car the author is inspecting is literally the
| model Tesla chose to put on the showroom floor in front of
| customers and the general public. I'm sure they ensured it had
| no major flaws.
| xp84 wrote:
| I'm rooting for it despite it being silly and not a practical
| pickup, strictly because every car people are buying looks
| identical (picture a crossover SUV from Toyota, Chevy, BMW etc.
| Basically shoe-shaped things).
|
| This looks like a concept car that would never come to market. I
| hope it sells really well and convinces others to bring actually-
| creative designs to market.
| fullshark wrote:
| It will have a cult following at the very least I think, and
| maybe that will inspire some auto companies.
| ShakataGaNai wrote:
| I'd wager you're right, similar to a modern DMC Delorean.
| After all they already share the stainless-steel body and
| "reputation for poor build quality and an unsatisfactory
| driving experience".
| notahacker wrote:
| If it comes with a time machine you'll be able to pop to
| the future to download its full self driving
| capabilities...
| Solvency wrote:
| Tesla literally didn't realize the steel comes in coils and it
| naturally wants to warp back into that state. Massive panel gap
| problems. As usual. The only thing other car makers are
| learning is what a joke their design operation is.
| bastian wrote:
| Sure guy.
| qarl wrote:
| "We dug our own grave."
| JumpCrisscross wrote:
| > _Tesla literally didn 't realize the steel comes in coils
| and it naturally wants to warp back into that state_
|
| Steel comes in many shapes. Are you saying they used hot
| versus cold-rolled steel?
| convolvatron wrote:
| stainless has a very strong tendency to want to walk back
| from forming operations.
| KaiserPro wrote:
| It also has to be much thicker, or needs to be bonded to a
| backing frame for rigidity.
| ct520 wrote:
| I appreciate your thinking, unfortunately if it sells well I
| feel the industry will just do the same thing. Instead of shoe
| shaped things, we will just have cyber truck knock offs. Which
| ugh I can't say I would prefer over what we have now.
| sushid wrote:
| While I appreciate the unique design of the Cybertruck, I have
| a huge concern with its huge size and the potential safety
| risks for pedestrians.
|
| The trend of increasingly larger vehicles, like SUVs and
| trucks, has already raised issues regarding pedestrian safety.
| The Cybertruck, being notably larger than most contemporary
| cars in the same category, could exacerbate this problem,
| especially if it opens the door to similar designs in new
| market segments IMO.
| bryanlarsen wrote:
| It _should_ be safer than a normal truck to pedestrians,
| since it doesn 't have a broad front. With a car, the most
| common scenario is that car hits your legs and then you
| bounce on the hood. IOW, you don't get the full kinetic
| energy all at once. With a truck your body takes the full hit
| and you're more likely to fall under the tires.
|
| With a lower, sharper front, the Cybertruck should behave
| more like a car than a full size truck.
|
| But we really don't know yet. It's a real failure of
| regulators that we it's not a standard part of testing and
| that their aren't good standards in this area.
| mike_d wrote:
| It is the single biggest step backwards in automotive
| safety in the last ten years.
|
| https://www.travelers.com/resources/auto/safe-driving/how-
| cr...
| slowhadoken wrote:
| yeah but automotive safety has been great the last twenty
| years especially for children
| mike_d wrote:
| It really has, cars have gotten progressively safer every
| year since 1975 for everyone involved.
| https://www.iihs.org/topics/fatality-
| statistics/detail/child...
| dgfitz wrote:
| Your complaint about trucks is misguided [1] and should
| instead lie with passenger cars until such time as passenger
| cars are not the leading cause of pedestrian deaths by
| vehicle type.
|
| [1] https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1730245/
| amenhotep wrote:
| This says that light trucks are 1.45 times likelier to kill
| a person per mile driven than cars.
| avidiax wrote:
| The Cybertruck is actually rather low for a truck. The edge
| of the hood would hit a typical person in the gut, not the
| neck or face as with many other trucks (especially lifted
| trucks).
|
| https://www.cybertruckownersclub.com/forum/threads/model-
| s-v...
| quartz wrote:
| Agreed-- this is an absolutely ridiculous looking vehicle and I
| hope they sell millions of them.
| mike_d wrote:
| > because every car people are buying looks identical
|
| It is almost like all other car makers know something Tesla
| does not. Maybe that big reflective flat surfaces are not safe
| for other drivers on sunny days.
| mavhc wrote:
| They're not flat surfaces
| KaiserPro wrote:
| or that flat surfaces aren't very strong, require more
| material to be rigid and generally have bad aerodynamics.
| inhumantsar wrote:
| I couldn't agree more. Especially [Hyundai's recent sports car
| concept](https://www.hyundai-n.com/en/models/rolling-
| lab/n-vision-74....)
| JohnFen wrote:
| I just wish it weren't so hideous-looking. The car industry
| already went through a "make everything ugly" phase a couple of
| decades ago. It'd be nice if they didn't repeat that!
| CobrastanJorji wrote:
| That's pretty much how I would feel for this or for the Homer
| Car. Is either one a good idea? Probably not, no. But it's fun
| to see different things, and trying new stuff is how we learn
| and grow, even when we do it because the CEO or his brother is
| making bad decisions.
| rob74 wrote:
| The shoe-shaped things are that way because of crumple areas
| and pedestrian safety requirements (if the car hits a
| pedestrian, the bonnet is supposed to deform in order to
| minimize injuries). Contrast that to the Cybertruck, which...
|
| > _...has received criticism from automotive safety groups,
| including the Australasian New Car Assessment Program and the
| Euro NCAP, for not conforming to standards for pedestrian and
| cyclist safety. In its December 2019 form, the truck would
| likely not be street-legal in either Australia or the European
| Union._
|
| Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tesla_Cybertruck
| thinkingemote wrote:
| We are still in the motor cars looking like horse drawn
| carriages without the horses phase.
|
| Electric cars don't need ICE engine layouts. It will take a few
| years until the designers realise they can have cars looking
| much different as they have more flexibility.
|
| I also have hope this truck on the roads will get manufacturers
| doing something different. Concept cars at car shows should be
| where we should look first.
| huytersd wrote:
| It would be so easy to make this a practical pickup. I could
| get past the fact that it looks terrible in person if it had a
| usable truck bed. But the bed is so small and constrained that
| is basically useless
| Syonyk wrote:
| > _...because every car people are buying looks identical..._
|
| Why _wouldn 't_ you expect this sort of convergence? A bunch of
| companies trying to solve the same problems with the same
| constraints are likely to find very similar solutions. We saw
| it with aviation - over time, jet aircraft look more and more
| like each other, because certain solutions, once they become
| available (twinjets demonstrating enough reliability for
| extended overwater operations) are _simply better_ in about
| every metric you 'd possibly care about.
| datadrivenangel wrote:
| I'm amazed that they actually made it happen!
|
| Hopefully this gets us more cool car designs.
| whalesalad wrote:
| My biggest gripe is the wheel covers. They make this look like a
| ridiculous Robocop movie prop.
| slowhadoken wrote:
| weird, that's my favorite thing. I like old RoboCop movies
| though.
| ModernMech wrote:
| I'm pretty sure that's the whole point of them.
| ftufek wrote:
| I've been seeing a bunch of them in Bay Area, I thought it was
| already launched and started deliveries. In person, it looks like
| something out of a movie set.
| fermentation wrote:
| Sure looks dangerous for pedestrians
| thedaly wrote:
| No more or less than any other vehicle of similar weight.
| discordance wrote:
| The thing weighs 8000 to 10000 lb (3629 to 4536 kg).
|
| That's shockingly heavy to move around 200lbs meat sacks.
| mike_d wrote:
| Most EVs weigh about that much, to the point that some
| cities are considering amending "No trucks" signs to also
| say no EVs.
| majormajor wrote:
| Do they? Model X weighs 5600lbs, here -
| https://www.caranddriver.com/tesla/model-x - and that's
| bigger than any of the other, more popular, Teslas other
| than the Cybertruck.
|
| Far cry from 8-10000. Or even 7-8000.
| JumpCrisscross wrote:
| > _8000 to 10000 lb_
|
| It has to be 6,500+ for the 179 deduction [1].
|
| [1] https://www.crestcapital.com/section-179-deduction-
| vehicle-l...
| Kirby64 wrote:
| Citation needed. It's expected to be around 7k lbs, over 8k
| would put it in the hummer EV territory.
| EwanToo wrote:
| Twice the weight of the Tesla model 3 which is 1800kg, it's
| pretty extreme.
|
| https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tesla_Model_3
| thedaly wrote:
| It does not weigh 8000 to 10000 pounds. It is listed
| between 6500 and 7000.
| slowhadoken wrote:
| A 2024 Ford F-150 weights more.
| dzlobin wrote:
| > vehicle of similar weight
|
| All...one of them: https://www.usatoday.com/picture-
| gallery/money/cars/2019/10/...
| thedaly wrote:
| Your link lists 6 trucks that are heavier than the 6,670
| Ibs two motor version of the cybertruck.
| sangnoir wrote:
| This is not true - there are other factors at play. The angle
| of the bumper and _where_ the bumper comes into contact with
| a human matters a lot - if it is below the human 's center of
| mass, they are much less likely to be thrown under the
| vehicle and run over.
| panick21_ wrote:
| Yes. But it seems actually less dangerous then other pickups.
|
| Other pickups seem to think that having as high as possible as
| big as possible vehicle front is a great thing.
|
| Going OVER the car is what saves live. If you get hit by a
| F-150 it more like getting hit by a wall.
|
| The Cybertruck also seems to have better visibility.
|
| So this seems to me to be a case of 'In the land of the blind,
| the one-eyed man is king'.
|
| In general US obsessions with pickups is stupid and I hope in
| my country all of them are commercial license only, not allowed
| on common parking spaces, ban in certain section of cities,
| plus very high licensing cost.
| jeltz wrote:
| And other cars due to the weight.
| slowhadoken wrote:
| I've always avoided heavy stuff moving at high velocity but hey
| that's just me.
| 1970-01-01 wrote:
| Safe public roads haven't existed since 1900.
| andy_xor_andrew wrote:
| If it is a great car, but flops because it looks weird, that's a
| shame.
|
| If it's a terribly-built car, with reliability issues, and a
| super difficult production cycle, that's a shame, but for a
| different reason: you'd think after the snafu over the Model X,
| where certain features (the X-wing doors) were a production
| nightmare and ballooned the cost and tanked the reliability, they
| wouldn't make the same mistake again. But if that is the case
| here, then they did make the same mistake, but even bigger and
| with worse consequences.
|
| But ignoring all that, at least it's different, and I'm rooting
| for its success. If it fails, though, most likely Tesla will only
| have themselves to blame.
| wnevets wrote:
| does it have sub 10-micron accuracy?
| slowhadoken wrote:
| Prediction: if it does poorly people will call Musk a failure. If
| it does well people will call Musk a grifter. Either way people
| will be salty.
| ramesh31 wrote:
| I understand the nostalgia for those rock solid steel bumpered
| behemoths people used to drive. Knocking your bumper on the curb
| and shelling out a few grand for some plastic sucks. But think
| just for a moment about how the physics of that equation work
| out. There's 3 tons of rolling steel coming to a stop, and
| something's gotta give. It's either the car, or you.
|
| Best of luck to anyone who drives ones of these. I'll be
| interested to see the NHTSA results.
| bilsbie wrote:
| I'm buying one because I was born too late to own a delorean.
| 1970-01-01 wrote:
| These launch countdowns are silly. Yes, you're going to be really
| cool the first year or so with that Cybertruck. But after you go
| to a party and five other people have one, (1,000,000+
| reservations since 2019) it'll seem much less alluring.
| MaximilianEmel wrote:
| The main thing I really dislike is the lack of buttons and dials.
| It looks to be just a single touchscreen in the center for
| _everything_.
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