[HN Gopher] Singing to babies is vital to help them learn langua...
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       Singing to babies is vital to help them learn language, say
       scientists
        
       Author : im_dario
       Score  : 90 points
       Date   : 2023-12-02 18:50 UTC (4 hours ago)
        
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 (TXT) w3m dump (www.theguardian.com)
        
       | vr46 wrote:
       | Personal recommendations are:
       | 
       | * Elmo's Song
       | 
       | * Feist's Sesame Street version of 1-2-3-4
        
         | corethree wrote:
         | Maybe more complex songs and songs with big words can make the
         | baby more articulate. Maybe rap will have other effects.
         | 
         | I wonder what's the effect of playing baby songs and exposing
         | the baby to dumbed down versions of everything.
        
           | NegativeLatency wrote:
           | Sounds like some can be unhelpful: https://content.time.com/t
           | ime/health/article/0,8599,1650352,...
           | 
           | Although IDK about the quality of this study
        
           | jstarfish wrote:
           | Haven't there been a bunch of studies about this sort of
           | thing? Lyrics aren't relevant to someone who doesn't
           | understand language. Voice is just another instrument.
           | Syllables are just notes.
           | 
           | Classical music is frequently cited as beneficial to learning
           | and it has no lyrics. Nobody has ever suggested rap music is
           | intellectually stimulating in any context, and they use a
           | _lot_ of words.
           | 
           | Even on rats in mazes, blasting them with Metallica seems to
           | result in worse performance than Mozart. Myself, I can't work
           | while listening to rap, rock or metal. Techno or classical
           | only. Inducing a state of aggression/heightened arousal never
           | leads to cogent thought (I can't work to Lords of Acid
           | either!). There's a reason generals lead from afar.
           | 
           | I suspect music exposure may be related to autism in
           | children, as a product of the _spectrum_ of stimulation they
           | 're exposed to-- too much overall (urban life), too much of
           | one type (war, domestic violence), or too little of any
           | ("frigid mother"). The classical arts (a form of _expression_
           | ) are another thing that dropped off as diagnoses rose. We do
           | not value art like we used to. Who owns a piano anymore?
        
             | civilitty wrote:
             | _> Nobody has ever suggested rap music is intellectually
             | stimulating in any context, and they use a lot of words._
             | 
             | You need less DMX and more Wu-Tang [1]
             | 
             | [1] https://pudding.cool/projects/vocabulary/index.html
        
         | lostmsu wrote:
         | I did the dwarf song (Far over the misty mountains)
        
         | tomrod wrote:
         | "I love the mountains I loved the rolling hills.
         | 
         | "I love the flowers I love the daffodils.
         | 
         | "I love the fire side when all the lights are low.
         | 
         | "Boom dee Yada boom dee Yada boom."
        
           | owenpalmer wrote:
           | My sisters and I always loved playing the duet of this song
           | on piano.
        
       | thesausageking wrote:
       | Abstract:
       | 
       | "Even prior to producing their first words, infants are
       | developing a sophisticated speech processing system, with robust
       | word recognition present by 4-6 months of age. These emergent
       | linguistic skills, observed with behavioural investigations, are
       | likely to rely on increasingly sophisticated neural
       | underpinnings. The infant brain is known to robustly track the
       | speech envelope, however previous cortical tracking studies were
       | unable to demonstrate the presence of phonetic feature encoding.
       | Here we utilise temporal response functions computed from
       | electrophysiological responses to nursery rhymes to investigate
       | the cortical encoding of phonetic features in a longitudinal
       | cohort of infants when aged 4, 7 and 11 months, as well as
       | adults. The analyses reveal an increasingly detailed and
       | acoustically invariant phonetic encoding emerging over the first
       | year of life, providing neurophysiological evidence that the pre-
       | verbal human cortex learns phonetic categories. By contrast, we
       | found no credible evidence for age-related increases in cortical
       | tracking of the acoustic spectrogram."
       | 
       | Paper: https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-023-43490-x
        
       | ipnon wrote:
       | This seems to be why people naturally default to sing-song when
       | speaking to babies.
        
         | gardenhedge wrote:
         | Does it explain why people do that? Are you suggesting we
         | intrinsically know that singing to a baby is beneficial for
         | learning?
        
           | gumby wrote:
           | If you believe that speech is a survival skill (which I would
           | think most people believe) then anything that increases its
           | prevalence or effectiveness would be evolutionarily selected
           | for, right? We're talking a 300-500+ Ky period, probably
           | almost 2X that (depending upon the speech capabilities of our
           | hominid ancestors), so plenty of time for evolutionary
           | pressure to apply.
        
           | animitronix wrote:
           | Yes, some shit comes built-in.
        
       | dzolob wrote:
       | I just sang, sang, sang anything that came to my mind. About
       | mountains, clouds, courage, poo... It was just love pouring out
       | of my heart, and I don't know if it had something to do with it,
       | but my kid started talking very early on and very well.
       | 
       | The best thing is was that I got to know him very soon, while my
       | peers and their daughters/sons still were kind of communicating.
        
         | jeffbee wrote:
         | According to the article it would seem to be a matter of just
         | throwing in as much variety of tone, inflection, and
         | articulation as you can manage. The don't understand what
         | you're saying anyway.
         | 
         | My career as a singer-to-babies was heavy on the Broadway
         | tunes. "On the Street Where You Live" was big.
        
           | ghostpepper wrote:
           | There is something magical about hearing a toddler mumble out
           | an entire verse of Fly Me To The Moon or Autumn Leaves
        
         | mattlondon wrote:
         | It seems to vary a lot in my experience. I have two kids who
         | basically got the same treatment. One was eloquently talking in
         | coherent sentences of 4 or 5 words by 18 months ("plane in the
         | sky", "teddy come downstairs", "want something to eat" etc) and
         | was _understandable by others outside the family_ , the other
         | kid was barely able to grunt single words at the same age
         | ("mukk" instead of milk, "nur-sa" instead of nursery etc) that
         | only we really understood as it was just incomprehensible
         | _sounds_ to everyone else
         | 
         | Singing made fuck all difference in that case (FWIW, the
         | grunter is now totally fine as an older kid). Both were walking
         | at 10 months so it was not like one was just "slow" at their
         | milestones
         | 
         | As they say, every baby is different.
        
       | tomcam wrote:
       | Or not. I can sing but all my kids hated it. On the other hand, I
       | always spoke to them using non-baby language, humor, and
       | mannerisms, and they turned out to be incredibly good
       | communicators.
        
         | dymk wrote:
         | Or maybe the scientists who specialize in child development and
         | linguistics know something you don't
        
           | tomcam wrote:
           | Zany thought! I'm deeply offended you weren't immediately
           | convinced by my single piece of anecdotal data ;)
        
       | ceeam wrote:
       | But try avoiding death metal growl.
        
       | gnicholas wrote:
       | I wonder how this squares with the research on cultures where
       | parents scarcely talk to babies, and they turn out fine? [1]
       | 
       | 1: https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/parents-in-a-
       | remo...
        
         | crooked-v wrote:
         | The article notes that the babies are with their mothers most
         | of the time, so they're probably exposed to plenty of language
         | even if it not specifically aimed at them.
        
           | gnicholas wrote:
           | Oh sure, but they're presumably not using sing-song baby
           | language, or perhaps singing songs all that much.
        
       | j45 wrote:
       | This is 100% my experience.
       | 
       | The amount of vocabulary that is learned through the experience
       | and play of song is astounding. Similar to a song tied to a
       | memory. Exposure to diverse cuisine and music before birth both
       | seems to be helpful too to the degree possible.
       | 
       | The number of words I have seen the little ones in my life absorb
       | and use before age 1.5 to 3 leaves you a little speechless.
       | 
       | So many words, syllables, full sentences, and a way to reduce
       | some of the little frustrations of not being able to express
       | yourself.
       | 
       | So many words seem to musically originating in a few ways in hind
       | sight:
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       | First is reading, talking and singing anything you can as much as
       | one can. Learning the sound of the voices around them is super
       | valuable if present from the start.
       | 
       | Next is ending up being children of the digital co-parent and
       | teacher Miss Rachel. Her content on YouTube was irreplaceable
       | during the pandemic, and the bonus of speaking in song was one of
       | the biggest gifts to learn.
       | 
       | Last, but not least is a Reggio Emilia child development / care
       | program. If a parent has a chance to check out a Reggio Emilia
       | centric child care program in regards to this topic of learning
       | expression, more than not it's an invitation to explore and play
       | with lots of music and vocabulary. What's neat is no place can be
       | Reggio Emilia certified because it's a town in Italy, so the
       | methods can be freely taught, learned and used at home too.
       | 
       | What stands out is all of the children in Reggio Emilia programs
       | are not the same, they are very ok with structure but just as
       | adaptable with going with the flow of the fire alarm goes off.
       | The rigour in fuelling music, dance, craft, curiosity,
       | imagination, exploration, interaction and expression.
       | 
       | There will be some parents who find this approach a fit for them,
       | (it's a little different than Montessori which can be tough for
       | some children to switch into a regular world program) as it
       | focuses on helping each child bring out their uniqueness at their
       | own pace.
        
       | dudul wrote:
       | "Vital" seems a little strong after reading the article.
        
       | jncfhnb wrote:
       | The actual article simply says babies pick up on phonetic
       | differences featured in rhyme and song. It says nothing about
       | being crucial to learning.
        
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