[HN Gopher] Show HN: ThreeFold - Decentralized Cloud Infrastructure
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Show HN: ThreeFold - Decentralized Cloud Infrastructure
We built it from the ground up, minimal Linux based operating
system (written in go and rust), messaging system written in rust
and infrastructure as code support (terraform and pulumi) There is
even a dashboard, and a playground UI to manage it (that you can
even run yourself) . Beautifully decentralized, you have full
control of everything, you can deploy on your own servers if the
cost of the cloud is too much. You can even run the whole system
yourself if you want to. Here is a link to documentation
https://manual.grid.tf/ Also, we are honored if it piqued your
interest, and would love to support your testing journey free of
charge.
Author : aredirect
Score : 27 points
Date : 2023-12-02 20:43 UTC (2 hours ago)
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| firebaze wrote:
| No idea what this is, or why it is on the HN frontpage. I'll
| invest some downvotes into understanding what I missed :)
|
| https://news.ycombinator.com/threads?id=aredirect&next=38499...
|
| Smells very funny. No posts since 2021, then suddenly multiple,
| and the upvoted posts vote for this Web3 post?
|
| Can't help but wondering who upvotes something like this. Maybe
| dang should train a LLM with his skills.
| riffic wrote:
| same here it's got like urbit vibes
|
| _yawn_
| aredirect wrote:
| I'm not familiar with urbit, however, we built a system that
| works you can deploy Virtual machines, kubernetes clusters in
| less than 1 minute. And you can fully run / replicate that
| system on your own terms
|
| https://manual.grid.tf/playground/vm_intro.html
| https://manual.grid.tf/playground/k8s.html
|
| Also, we spent lots of times to bring developer's favorite
| tools like terraform, pulumi, typescript libraries to make
| everything familiar.
| aredirect wrote:
| I'm very sorry you're feeling that way. Nothing fishy is going
| on. I was just happy to post about a product I've been building
| for years that's under utilized and can solve too many things
| for people. We don't want to be attached to anything crypto and
| we are working on supporting fiat.
|
| The system is there, usable -unlike so many web3 projects- :)
| js4ever wrote:
| Congratulation for the launch! Where is the price list?
| j45 wrote:
| It looks open source.
| aredirect wrote:
| 100% https://github.com/threefoldtech
| slyall wrote:
| https://coinmarketcap.com/currencies/threefold/
| aredirect wrote:
| Thank you! we would love to hear from you! Our token price is
| quite low at the moment.
| https://www.coingecko.com/en/coins/threefold
|
| I have to say we have tons of resources ready to be used! and
| would love to help our wherever fits :)
| losteric wrote:
| What is a "token price"?
|
| ... What even is a "token"?
|
| I want to buy _compute_ to execute XYZ functions at Tk TPS -
| how do I predict the monthly operating cost? (in dollars,
| obviously)
| aredirect wrote:
| My bad, was confused by the previous comment
|
| Here's a list of the current pricing https://manual.grid.tf
| /cloud/cloudunits_pricing.html?highlig...
|
| Of course, there're other projects building on top of us to
| even drive the prices lower, and even as a token of
| appreciation I'd love to provide you with whatever
| necessary to be able to test the platform for as much as
| you need.
| anyoneamous wrote:
| Scrolled the homepage until I saw "...earn a new digital
| currency" - then immediately closed the tab. Dead on arrival.
| j45 wrote:
| Is that part mandatory?
|
| Developers: https://manual.grid.tf/developers/developers.html
|
| Sysadmins:
| https://manual.grid.tf/system_administrators/system_administ...
|
| Edit: added sysadmin and..
|
| Haven't finished reading yet, but generally the internet is
| never free and always costs some one. I'd be concerned how it
| would be paid for.
| aredirect wrote:
| The system is completely opensource, the team would be even
| more the willing to help you to build your own clouds
| separate from the current main one, and even can guide you if
| you ever wanted to change how the payment works. We are
| already at the point of designing the 4th iteration of the
| system. Too many believed in our vision and connected their
| capacity to make it reality.
|
| There're various definitions of free, e.g it will cost power
| and bandwidth for sure, but free as in totally decentralized
| as owned by the people? they get to decide how and where
| their workloads are hosted :) you can connect a server in
| your basement and I deploy my workloads on it or you can even
| host your website (trusting other human beings on your own
| terms :) )
| aredirect wrote:
| We are moving to support fiat as well, as well. You can
| literally build anything (we recently built a students platform
| to deploy their workloads without concerns about tokenomics)
|
| Tokenomics aside, I'm sure https://manual.grid.tf will show
| very interesting bit, And please keep in mind that the system
| works .. quite well actually (and it's opensource if you like
| the idea, and don't like the execution :)
| isthispermanent wrote:
| Same thing. Came to comment "we are so back"
|
| No offense to the creators, I appreciate anyone shipping
| something new, but this has been tried many times without
| success. HNT being the largest example.
|
| Also, isn't ICP be the same concept?
| SkyMarshal wrote:
| Yeah ICP/Dfinity was one of the originals to target cloud
| computing on a blockchain platform, with one of the biggest
| budgets, highest profile backers (A16Z), and strongest
| engineering teams in the business (they poached IBM Zurich's
| research lab). But it's not taking off. The concept seems
| either not viable for reasons, or its too ahead of its time.
| Anyone attempting a new version needs a clear value
| proposition that's different from prior attempts.
| treyd wrote:
| It's not taking off because their marketing is incredibly
| deceptive and there was a report showing that there was
| probably a planned retail dump shortly after launch
| allowing lots of backers to pull out. It's not really
| decentralized in any meaningful sense and they misuse
| terminology (like what the term "node" means, among other
| things) in order to give the appearance otherwise.
| aredirect wrote:
| Hi! Thank you for taking the time I'm actually not aware of
| any project that was more complete, delivering on such scale
| like threefold.
|
| I'm not sure I know ICP, it'd be great if you could link,
| It's always good opportunity to understand more
| api wrote:
| One of the biggest things I hate about crypto is how it sucked
| all the air out of "decentralization." Now people hear that and
| think "oh another scam coin."
|
| "Local first" and "federated" are perhaps more accurate anyway.
| aredirect wrote:
| Indeed, crypto made the world a harder place for projects
| with good intention. We aim to build a truly decentralized,
| peer to peer cloud infrastructure that you can connect to or
| even replicate on your own terms, and yet familiar to
| developers and system admins by providing the tools they love
| for provisioning and managing their workloads.
|
| The whole system is 100% opensource, you can run it on your
| own terms (we would be happy if other people based on our
| work and expanded further)
| badrabbit wrote:
| From a strategic perspective, wouldn't you want your cloud to be
| centrally managable (with redundancy) and supportable in case of
| issues?
| aredirect wrote:
| Hi! Thanks for taking the time!
|
| The idea is very flexible it can be converted to different kind
| of models
|
| - Model 1: Global grid of resources where you choose (entrusted
| person, could be even yourself) to deploy your workload on
| their servers, and that's what a capacity provider offers with
| their SLAs - Model 2: You can replicate the whole
| infrastructure yourself (region level e.g gov) so you can build
| e.g for your own company (there you have full control)
|
| So the way I see it, as administrator, I plan my deployments to
| be hosted on some reliable servers and I plan everything around
| redundancy (here's an example to host nextcloud
| https://forum.threefold.io/t/threefold-guide-nextcloud-redun...
| )
|
| and there's a space for services that does such planning for
| the users :) I counted from 1, excuse that honest mistake :)
| ThinkBeat wrote:
| This looks really cool as a concept. I am into the idea of
| something like this for tech nerds to share resources.
|
| As a in real life technological solution it is a trainwreck
| waiting to happen. sort of like an incidental botnet or worse.
| aredirect wrote:
| I'm glad you're liking it! It's the idea from the beginning
| indeed to allow that level of freedom to people. I would also
| love to help you to know more / test the project (not strings
| attached and no money to pay) :)
| cedws wrote:
| Sounds cool, my question is: why ruin it with a token? It just
| makes your project seems unnecessarily scammy. There have been so
| many projects with big promises that ultimately just ended up
| being a scam this way.
| aredirect wrote:
| Thank you! I 100% agree. We are exploring other options (and
| with the current crypto scene, it's more pressing e.g direct
| support of fiat, some of business built on top of the current
| infrastructure uses fiat e.g https://www.zonaris.io/
|
| And main thing that separates us from all of these crypto
| projects, is we actually delivered the infrastructure,
| reproducible, that works :)
| cedws wrote:
| I appreciate it. Good luck.
| ThinkBeat wrote:
| You say that HPE trusts your project. Digging a bit:
|
| HP Enterprise Hewlett Packard Enterprise HPE wants to help
| ThreeFold to offer hardware and IT services to the community.
|
| Are you building a centralized datacenter with HPE or are you
| selling HPE to the community?
| api wrote:
| This looks like a cloud run by randos, not decentralization which
| would mean local apps that talk to each other.
|
| I don't want a cloud run by randos. If I'm gonna run in a cloud I
| want to know who runs it and see their ToS and privacy policy
| etc.
|
| If this took off the first thing you'd see happen is people
| running infrastructure to steal data from people who host on it.
| wmf wrote:
| 1. Rent VMs to cryptobros
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| 2. Siphon their private keys
|
| 3. Profit!
| SilkRoadie wrote:
| How does reliability work? How do I know that what I store today
| will still be there tomorrow? What guarantees do I have that a
| machine executing a task will exist until completion of that
| task?
|
| How are you handing security? What controls are in place to make
| sure hardware owners can't access data being hosted or processed?
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