[HN Gopher] How are startups shaped by macro conditions at birth?
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       How are startups shaped by macro conditions at birth?
        
       Author : Bostonian
       Score  : 32 points
       Date   : 2023-12-02 16:25 UTC (1 days ago)
        
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       | Bostonian wrote:
       | Discussed at
       | https://marginalrevolution.com/marginalrevolution/2023/12/do... .
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       | From the abstract: "While funding conditions cannot explain
       | differences in outcomes, a labor market channel can: recession
       | startups are better able to retain their founding inventors and
       | build productive R&D teams around them."
        
       | gumby wrote:
       | This is has been an article of faith long and extensively
       | remarked on over many cycles: tech crashes of 83, 01, etc and
       | financial recessions and shocks like 87, 90, 01, 07). Their list
       | of references seem to show that this specific question _hasn 't_
       | been rigorously examined though, which is somewhat surprising.
       | 
       | Those references also show that the data are available so it's
       | it's a shame the authors only looked at 07/08. Looks like the
       | first author worked on this while a grad student. Perhaps they
       | will expand it into a book.
        
       | raziel2701 wrote:
       | What I took from it is that if you're a startup that got its
       | funding during a recession (meaning there's lots of laid-off
       | people floating around), you get to collect very talented,
       | skilled R&D people. Hence if that's the situation for your
       | startup you would say that being a recession start up is great.
       | 
       | I think that's the specific conclusion I could get from it, the
       | paper is very heavy and there's tons of caveats because every
       | recession is different. But yes, if you are good/lucky enough to
       | start a start up during a recession that has reduced labor
       | demand, then you get to pick from a very talented pool.
       | 
       | Currently, I'm not sure if we had a recession last year, the
       | labor market stayed strong despite the market correction and very
       | public layoffs. I guess when everyone and their mother is calling
       | for a recession it's just not going to happen? Yields are
       | uninverting, historically I believe this is a strong signal of a
       | coming recession, and the markets are calling for interest rates
       | to start getting cut in March of next year. So I guess we'll see.
       | 
       | The other question that I found very interesting is: Do start ups
       | born in a recession come to be because the idea and quality has
       | to be very good? Or do they come to be because above-average
       | confident people are the only ones willing to put their ideas out
       | there? Or a combination of both?
        
         | bobthepanda wrote:
         | Economists have predicted 9 out of the last 5 recessions, so
         | the saying goes.
         | 
         | That being said overall market movements take a while to shake
         | out; the mortgage bubble was first pointed out as early as
         | 2006. People have been calling out China's property bubble
         | since the 2010s.
         | 
         | For tech at least I get the impression that the labor market
         | out there is tough.
        
       | deadbabe wrote:
       | The title made me think this was going to be about speculating
       | the optimal time to birth a baby so they can be well positioned
       | to create a successful startup by the time they reach full
       | maturity.
        
       | ttul wrote:
       | I started my first startup in September 2001. We got amazing
       | people for nothing and free office space. Post-2008, my series-A
       | failed to produce any sales because the market was simply gone.
       | But at least I could find and retain good engineers. I would be
       | afraid to start a company today.
        
         | xvedejas wrote:
         | What part of today would have you worried? My start up is
         | having a great time finding people (amid tech layoffs) and our
         | office space is heavily discounted due to WFH/high office
         | vacancies. Our sales are going well also (our industry has been
         | booming). It seems to me like a good time as any to build a
         | company.
        
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