[HN Gopher] Framework Laptop 16 Deep Dive - Connectors
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       Framework Laptop 16 Deep Dive - Connectors
        
       Author : jonah-archive
       Score  : 49 points
       Date   : 2023-12-06 21:00 UTC (2 hours ago)
        
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       | samcat116 wrote:
       | I remember when I used to do laptop repairs in college (we were a
       | certified Apple repair center), Apple had a great training on all
       | the different types of internal connectors, how you should handle
       | them, etc. Some of them are really, really fragile.
        
         | FirmwareBurner wrote:
         | _> Some of them are really, really fragile._
         | 
         | When you do your own repairs especially the first time, you
         | find that out the hard way, and then you're more careful the
         | next time ;)
        
       | dthakur wrote:
       | Good article. Ended too early. Let's keep going.
        
       | Robelius wrote:
       | I appreciate seeing a hint at the history of the design changes,
       | but now I'm left wanting more. Seeing a cross-section view (CT
       | scan or CAD) that shows how the connectors are mating or secured
       | would probably help me visualize how these are being used.
        
       | FirmwareBurner wrote:
       | My biggest disapointment on the Framework 16 is that I imagined
       | the bay to be hot-swappable, or at least cold-swappable, like you
       | keep the GPU unit in the laptop while it's on your desk docked to
       | your monitor, and when yo head out, you swap the GPU module for a
       | battery module and off you go.
       | 
       | At least that's what I hoped for, but no, that's not how it
       | works, you need some screwing and unscrewing to swap them out, it
       | not something that can be quickly done before you leave the
       | house. Sad. Maybe the next model.
        
         | organsnyder wrote:
         | That sounds like a better use-case for an eGPU.
        
           | FirmwareBurner wrote:
           | The module on the framework basically is an e-gpu except
           | directly on PCIE instead of thunderbolt. Why they couldn't
           | make it quick swappable I don't know.
        
             | jacoblambda wrote:
             | Hotswappable PCIE is really hard to do right, especially if
             | you are using a non-standard connector. You have to
             | guarantee that pins connect and disconnect in the right
             | order or you risk damaging equipment.
             | 
             | And on top of that, while a connector might be perfectly
             | safe with cold swap (i.e. power off), you can damage the
             | connector if the circuit is completed and power starts
             | flowing but you only have partial contact.
             | 
             | So it was probably preferable to just release a coldswap
             | versions and try dabbling with a hotswap capable chassis in
             | the future.
        
             | DeIlliad wrote:
             | Speaking from experience, there is a big performance
             | difference connecting your eGPU over PCIE and connecting
             | over Thunderbolt. Usually people just take the performance
             | hit with Thunderbolt because of convenience and they are
             | usually using overpowered desktop GPUs but there are eGPU
             | PCIE connectors for people who want the most performance.
             | 
             | Because this is already using a mobile chip with lower
             | performance, Framework probably didn't want to tank
             | performance any more by going with the lower bandwidth
             | Thunderbolt option.
        
         | user_7832 wrote:
         | I've had lots of hopes for Framework products too - smaller
         | motherboards for possible tablets, a Khadas Mind-type connector
         | like what you're describing, a nicer 13" display like the
         | current 16" one, heck ideally even a Framework phone - modular
         | and _modern_ (unlike Fairphone; also see: small android phone
         | project). But I think given how young/new they are, it's fine
         | for them to take a little longer as long as their "core"
         | products are at least comparable/as good as competition (which
         | I think they are excluding costs).
        
       | delta_p_delta_x wrote:
       | > attempts from other brands at making a modular graphics system
       | in a notebook
       | 
       | i.e. Dell.
       | 
       | > the off-the-shelf FXBeam connector from Neoconix
       | 
       | So _that 's_ the company that makes the Dell Graphics Form Factor
       | (DGFF) connectors[1], and that's why they're called _beam
       | connectors_ in the service manual[2] (search for it on that page;
       | notice how similar the connectors are to Framework 's). These
       | have been used in Dell Precision workstations since the Precision
       | 7530 and 7730 (released in 2018).
       | 
       | I ought to have realised that surely Dell didn't develop this
       | themselves.
       | 
       | > We quickly found that these connectors (on the left in the
       | image) could only reliably be installed once. On removing,
       | handling, and reinstalling, it was easy to bend or break off the
       | small pins.
       | 
       | After working with these connectors, they require some finesse,
       | but they're not as fragile as the post makes them out to be.
       | They're essentially tiny LGA sockets. Dell's implementation put
       | the pins on the connectors and the contacts on the board, so the
       | cheaper (and more disposable) component could break more easily.
       | I'm not sure why Framework decided to forgo the connector and try
       | to join both graphics card and motherboard directly together;
       | this isn't addressed in the blog post.
       | 
       | That being said, 'beam connectors' still aren't cheap, though;
       | when I asked Dell's service centre for spares, I was quoted
       | something like SGD20/connector. They're roughly the same price on
       | eBay[3].
       | 
       | [1]: https://i.imgur.com/aMal40L.jpeg
       | 
       | [2]: https://www.dell.com/support/manuals/en-
       | uk/precision-15-7560....
       | 
       | [3]:
       | https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_trksid=m570.l1313...
        
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