[HN Gopher] A Cultural Critique of the Tesla Cybertruck
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       A Cultural Critique of the Tesla Cybertruck
        
       Author : MBCook
       Score  : 35 points
       Date   : 2023-12-09 20:56 UTC (2 hours ago)
        
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       | dieselgate wrote:
       | I thought this article had a pleasant historical summary of car
       | related culture in the US but thought the parts about the
       | Cybertruck fell kind of flat.
        
         | troelsSteegin wrote:
         | To my read, the author sets up owning a Cybertruck up as the
         | vehicular equivalent of owning an assault weapon: "A
         | bulletproof three-and-a-half ton stainless-steel truck equipped
         | with "Bioweapon Defense Mode" designed to slam through other
         | cars is the perfect vehicle for a society where over a third of
         | people are scared to walk around at night." Hard to support
         | that without hearing from buyers, but I thought that was rather
         | pointy.
        
           | threeseed wrote:
           | That statement is entirely factual though.
           | 
           | Musk has continually promoted the car as being bulletproof.
           | 
           | And we know from regulators and crash tests that it's going
           | to be a nightmare for pedestrians. To the level where in many
           | countries it is likely to not be street-legal. Factor in the
           | sports-car level acceleration and it is going to be an
           | unprecedentedly dangerous car.
        
             | huijzer wrote:
             | If I have to choose between a "comfortable" car to be hit
             | by without active safety features and an uncomfortable car
             | that has active safety features, then I rather choose the
             | latter. In other words, rather a car that is driven by a
             | human and might break from itself than a "comfortable" car
             | driven by only a human.
        
               | verve_rat wrote:
               | That's a total false dichotomy though. No new consumer
               | vehicles in that price range lack active safety features
               | like automatic breaking.
               | 
               | The cybertruck is just unnecessary in its disregard for
               | other people.
        
             | maxerickson wrote:
             | Didn't they roll down the windows when they shot it? Pretty
             | sure the standard windows aren't bulletproof (and therefore
             | the vehicles with the standard windows aren't bulletproof
             | either).
             | 
             | So in the end it's mostly just for show.
        
             | pa7ch wrote:
             | We don't know that. I think its likely safer to pedestrians
             | then an F150 because the hood is significantly lower. The
             | steel ia irrelevant, trucks don't crumple already for
             | pedestrians, they crumple for other cars.
        
         | Avshalom wrote:
         | It felt like all lead-in no body.
        
       | bbor wrote:
       | Great article, all very true. Just look at the patent absurdity
       | of modern American pickup trucks. What this article was missing
       | (for good reason) is tying this to politics more directly; IMO "I
       | want a car that will 'win' if I get in an accident" is based in
       | the same toxic intuitions as "America First"
        
         | FirmwareBurner wrote:
         | _> "I want a car that will 'win' if I get in an accident"_
         | 
         | That's not at all an American exclusive. I live in Europe and
         | everyone parrots the same line when they justify why they're
         | getting a SUV even though they live in the city and never go
         | off-roading.
         | 
         | A work colleagues who just got a baby recently told me he had
         | to get a SUV even though he wanted a sedan because his wife
         | pushed for the SUV with the same argument: "I feel safer in
         | one." What's a guy to do? Do you want to risk for your wife and
         | child to "feel unsafe" because you're too cheap to buy your
         | family a SUV? Same with my cousin, she just got a baby and
         | pushed her husband to get a SUV for the same reason, so I'm
         | definitely seeing a pattern in my circles as well as on the
         | streets.
         | 
         | The estate/station wagon and the mini-van were the traditional
         | vehicle of the family here but now SUVs and the jacked up
         | cross-over abominations are flying off the shelves here. Just
         | look at Volvo's UK line-up[1], it's 8 SUVs and 1 crossover.
         | WTF?!
         | 
         | Justified or not, consumers are noticing this arms race, and
         | manufacturers are more than happy to market and sell you bigger
         | and taller cars for you to "feel safer" in, if you've got the
         | cash.
         | 
         | [1] https://www.volvocars.com/uk/
        
           | 01100011 wrote:
           | IME it is often the female pushing for the bigger vehicle. My
           | ex-wife kept pushing to upgrade our Subaru Outback to
           | something bigger and we only had 2 dogs and no kids in the
           | suburbs. Similarly, my wife hated my Chevy Bolt because of
           | its size. I think folks stereotype big vehicle purchasers as
           | males looking to compensate for feelings of inferiority, but
           | from what I've seen(beyond just the examples given) is that
           | this isn't really true. I'm sure it sounds good to folks
           | looking to denigrate people with vehicles that are deemed
           | excessive but is trite and silly.
        
             | nervousvarun wrote:
             | We seem to be conflating different vehicles/demos in these
             | comments. SUVs and pickups.
             | 
             | Large SUVs for sure are appealing to women.
             | 
             | The negative stereotypes of male compensation etc though
             | are associated with large pickup trucks not SUVs no?
             | 
             | When we think "large SUV" we think soccer mom.
             | 
             | When we think "large Pickup" we think male ego
             | compensation/etc.
        
             | orwin wrote:
             | In my experience, people in huge vehicles are either bad
             | drivers or drivers who lack confidence (or both).
             | 
             | I'm pretty sure females in general have less confidence
             | than males. At least in my family.
        
             | jakderrida wrote:
             | I don't think it's just about superiority or safety in the
             | event of a crash. I almost always buy Coupes for my
             | personal vehicles, but was hired to drive an F150 pickup
             | truck to transport materials throughout the city. It had
             | two advantages. One was being able to see what's behind me
             | and estimate with high accuracy the distance from me things
             | were, but that's less relevant. The other major advantage
             | was that my head was higher than almost everyone else on
             | the road, allowing me a much better 360 view of what's
             | around me. However, I was also obstructing the view of
             | every other driver, which is why only a complete douchebag
             | gets one for a personal vehicle.
        
           | FredPret wrote:
           | People want the wrong things damnit! They should want to be
           | in a bus or on a scooter so that everything can be easier to
           | plan. Instead they want to be happy, safe, and comfortable!
        
       | george-in-sd wrote:
       | Note they have no cultural problems with a $150k gas guzzling
       | SUV:
       | https://www.roadandtrack.com/reviews/a44600208/2023-cadillac...
       | 
       | Follow the money here folks.
        
         | Avshalom wrote:
         | Aside from that being a complete different byline:
         | 
         | Tesla is worth more than GM and Musk is one of the wealthiest
         | people on the planet.
         | 
         | he is "the money"
        
           | efnx wrote:
           | Different money though.
        
           | mrtksn wrote:
           | It's a fascinating phenomenon, the "People's billionaire"
           | thing. Reminds of the movie "Don't look up" where they phrase
           | it as "The working class, the cool rich and them".
        
             | HPsquared wrote:
             | It's the classic "high-and-low vs middle" dynamic.
        
       | Barrin92 wrote:
       | All the correct criticism about what the car represents
       | culturally aside, the article also hints at what is for me the
       | biggest aesthetic issue:
       | 
       |  _" He [Musk] has called the Cybertruck "what Bladerunner would
       | have driven"_
       | 
       | The car reminds me of what Mark Fisher called the "spectre of a
       | lost future". Instead of imagining genuine futures the most "sci-
       | fi" car imaginable is something that looks like it could come out
       | of a 40 year old movie set. It's the same kind of design
       | sentiment you see with skyscrapers in the Emirates were you can
       | almost guess they were demanded by people who grew up on 80s
       | science fiction with a 30 year delay.
        
         | Avshalom wrote:
         | Yeah, it's extremely galling to see lines like "the future
         | looks like the future" or "it looks like it was designed by
         | aliens from the future" in reference to a car that is
         | constantly being compared (by the same guy) to 30-50 year
         | design languages.
         | 
         | (I also want to emphasize that the car everyone remembers from
         | bladerunner is the police spinner, which looks absolutely
         | nothing like a swollen Lotus Esprit)
        
       | chasd00 wrote:
       | The ironic thing about the cybertruck being some prepper vehicle
       | for the apocalypse is when the lights got out so does the
       | cybertruck.
        
         | PartiallyTyped wrote:
         | During apocalypse, you'd be able to recharge a cybertruck
         | through solar panels.. Batteries are also a thing..
         | 
         | I am not sure you'd be able to find working refineries,
         | gasoline that hasn't evaporated, or oil...
        
           | ceejayoz wrote:
           | During an apocalypse, neither type of vehicle is likely to be
           | particularly useful versus a horse or donkey.
           | 
           | Fuel everywhere, making new ones is easy, and a bonus
           | emergency food source.
        
             | PartiallyTyped wrote:
             | I concur, I am just saying in the context of the original
             | comment, an EV is likely a better vehicle than an oil-
             | chugging ice vehicle.
        
               | ceejayoz wrote:
               | Maybe, I'm just saying that's a "what's the tastiest
               | poop?" sort of question.
        
               | PartiallyTyped wrote:
               | I ... don't disagree.. Thanks for the laugh :)
        
           | RandomLensman wrote:
           | Maybe you can swap it for a course of antibiotics or
           | something else of actual value.
        
         | kipchak wrote:
         | Like a lot of products I think part of it's appeal is a feeling
         | of security which doesn't necessarily equal practical security,
         | in the same way a 4x4 might appeal to someone wanting to feel
         | "rugged" even if it never leaves asphalt. I think to some
         | extent Tesla employed a similar strategy with it's other models
         | and green appeal.
        
       | wrycoder wrote:
       | This article has a very narrow view of the Cybertruck phenomenon,
       | as seen through a prism of lefty emotionalism. It is more a view
       | of the general sociological scene of the early 21st century
       | United States, than about its motor vehicle component. The author
       | wanted to be a cultural critic, but is writing for Road and Track
       | as a fallback. In addition, she left rural Idaho and moved to
       | Seattle, which is telling.
       | 
       | "Musk's bulletproof wedge-shaped machine is the physical
       | manifestation of America's fear, and whether it is good or bad,
       | we deserve it. "
        
       | rsingel wrote:
       | We had a test run for the apocalypse in 2020, and the vehicle of
       | choice was a bike.
       | 
       | The cybertruck isn't built for the apocalypse, it's built for the
       | I got mine class.
       | 
       | SUVs are mobile gated subdivisions. The cybertruck is a mobile
       | safe room.
        
       | mrtksn wrote:
       | It's not just the first not-ugly Tesla, but it is culturally
       | appropriate product. I don't know if it will be a successful
       | product but this thing will be in museums.
       | 
       | You know the Apple's famous ad:
       | 
       | "Here's to the crazy ones. The misfits. The rebels. The
       | troublemakers. The round pegs in the square holes. The ones who
       | see things differently. They're not fond of rules. And they have
       | no respect for the status quo. You can quote them, disagree with
       | them, glorify or vilify them. About the only thing you can't do
       | is ignore them. Because they change things. They push the human
       | race forward. And while some may see them as the crazy ones, we
       | see genius. Because the people who are crazy enough to think they
       | can change the world, are the ones who do."
       | 
       | Musk fits that perfectly. With all his faults, he has some
       | answers(some good, some not so) but more importantly he has risen
       | some questions and this particular vehicle is a question on
       | design.
       | 
       | The world is changing, mostly for the worse and its time to ask
       | questions so we can have answer on how to have a new normal that
       | is better than the one before everything started crumbling.
        
         | noitpmeder wrote:
         | Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. I'd say the Tesla
         | Roadster is pretty not-ugly to me!
         | 
         | I don't think the cybertruck is "pushing the human race
         | forward" in any capacity. It's a unique looking truck, big
         | whoop. The only museum it'll be in is Elon's mausoleum.
        
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