[HN Gopher] How to Clean Chemistry Glassware
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       How to Clean Chemistry Glassware
        
       Author : adrian_mrd
       Score  : 30 points
       Date   : 2023-12-14 06:58 UTC (16 hours ago)
        
 (HTM) web link (www.chem.rochester.edu)
 (TXT) w3m dump (www.chem.rochester.edu)
        
       | getwiththeprog wrote:
       | Finally got the dishes done properly today, thanks Rochester!
        
       | showerst wrote:
       | It's interesting to me how concentrated HF is just universally
       | acknowledged as one of the 'big bads' of chemistry labs.
       | 
       | I've run into "Yes HF works here but SERIOUSLY DON'T" in so many
       | different contexts and processes. Sounds like a lovely thing to
       | keep a nice distance from!
        
         | cgearhart wrote:
         | It makes the list of Things I Won't Touch
         | https://www.science.org/content/blog-post/things-i-won-t-tou...
        
       | purpleflame1257 wrote:
       | Acidic peroxide solution is also known commonly as piranha
       | solution. You can clean silicon wafer by dropping them in. Any
       | organic residue is toast, however.
        
         | foobarian wrote:
         | Sounds enticing for cleaning burned baking dishes! I tried with
         | concentrated NaOH and that didn't work so I need more extreme
         | solutions.
        
           | cowthulhu wrote:
           | That seems like a terrible idea on many levels. Will
           | definitely make for some fun anecdotes though (assuming
           | nothing goes wrong). Also - I don't know if I'd want to eat
           | anything cooked on a baking dish exposed to so many toxic
           | chemicals.
           | 
           | I assume you're not joking, but this was a major whoosh if
           | you were!
        
           | jeffbee wrote:
           | Depending on what the material is, you can potentially clean
           | it by burning it harder. Set your over to 'clean' and find
           | out.
        
       | rubicks wrote:
       | Ex-undergrad-assistant in a organic synthesis lab, here. I am
       | extremely familiar with glass cleaning procedures, having done it
       | nearly daily for one long semester.
       | 
       | Base bath is how you clean glassware.
       | 
       | The base bath was a _saturated_ solution of KOH (potassium
       | hydroxide) in a 10-gallon PTFE (molded "teflon"). You knew it was
       | saturated by the KOH precipitate at the bottom.
       | 
       | You take your "dirties", making absolutely sure they had no
       | residual acid on them, and ever so slowly, ease them into the
       | bath. 24 or 36 hours later, remove them and repeat with the next
       | batch.
       | 
       | After a few dozen cycles, you have to change out the base for
       | fresh stuff. For that, you needed a face shield, shoulder gloves,
       | and extremely steady hands.
       | 
       | Tedious, dangerous work.
        
         | kragen wrote:
         | why can't you siphon the base bath instead of having extremely
         | steady hands
         | 
         | i'm also sort of surprised this treatment doesn't corrode the
         | glass. i guess borosilicate holds up to things that would ruin
         | soda-lime glass
        
       | jmwilson wrote:
       | Using Alconox (mentioned on the page, and easily found on Amazon)
       | is one my tricks when I absolutely need sparkling clean dishes or
       | containers. Not the best choice for the environment, and too
       | sudsy to use in a dishwasher, but amazingly effective.
        
       | jeffrallen wrote:
       | Nile Red got into a situation where some of his glassware was
       | damaged by a reaction but mixed into his still good glassware. He
       | decided to break it all to be sure!
       | 
       | That's another cleaning strategy.
        
         | gizmo686 wrote:
         | https://youtu.be/tGqVMbAQhBs?si=FAve6HjtEd9rjbZv
         | 
         | Notably, his concern was not that the glass was dirty, but that
         | it was literally breaking. As in, spontaneously spill a beaker
         | full of acid on the table breaking.
         | 
         | The experiment he blames this on was using the beakers to
         | contain hot plasma. The beakers came out looking fine, but
         | probably suffered substantial thermal stress.
        
       | jeffbee wrote:
       | Frustratingly familiar from my college days is the vagueness of
       | these instructions. "Wear appropriate gloves." Such as? It is
       | easier to write "wear butyl gloves." Even the MSDS for 6M HCl
       | doesn't say "wear butyl gloves" it says "Select glove material
       | impermeable and resistant to the substance." Like, duh. Is there
       | a PPE lobbyist who prevents people from writing down concrete
       | recommendations?
        
         | somat wrote:
         | A good point, a very good point. Too many procedures or guides
         | are ruined by being vague on some minor yet critical point.
         | Probably obvious the the writer but not to the reader.
         | 
         | However I will note this guide specifically points out to use
         | butyl gloves twice.
        
         | gorlilla wrote:
         | Because recommendations will vary by not only currently
         | accepted practices, but also geographical variances in product
         | availability. It's better to look at what you have on hand and
         | cross-reference with up-to-date information.
         | 
         | Much like most people won't simply know how dangerous it is to
         | mix Nitrile gloves and Nitric Acid. When things can melt your
         | skin, it's always good form to verify safety info at the time
         | rather than just taking somebody's word for it, no?
         | 
         | My 2 cents that is probably obvious anyhow
        
           | jeffbee wrote:
           | Nitrile gloves are quite useless against many common
           | substances, including acetone, esters, acetic acid, and
           | everything else with "acet" in the name. Aside from a few
           | cases where nitrile works and others don't (some
           | hydrocarbons, among others), there's usually something more
           | protective.
        
             | eternityforest wrote:
             | For non chemists just working with standard commercial
             | stuff(Epoxy, UV resin, grocery store cleaning chemicals,
             | and that's about it), various sites and ads give the
             | impression nitrile is "The good default thing you should
             | use"....
             | 
             | Good to know that's not always the case?
        
       | onecommentman wrote:
       | Why isn't lab glassware, with few exemptions, a single use item?
       | How can the human safety risks in cleaning, and the analysis
       | risks from residual contamination be valued less than the cost of
       | fresh equipment made of...glass. Really nice glass, but simply
       | mass-produced objects made of silicon and oxygen. Just make some
       | more.
       | 
       | The 1970s _Muppet Show_ US television program had a recurring
       | segment on "Muppet Labs" with a hapless lab assistant named
       | Beaker given silly and dangerous things to do by his boss. These
       | cleaning processes sound like a Beaker bit. But the Muppet Show
       | was a comedy...
        
         | gizmo686 wrote:
         | If you are working in a lab that needs that level of cleaning,
         | then odds are that what you do with the glass when you use it
         | is also dangerous. There is a reason that the stereotypical
         | chemist wears gloves, goggles, and a labcoat.
         | 
         | Also, lab glass is more expensive than it looks. If you care
         | about this level of cleanliness, then you likely also care
         | about the precision of your glassware. And lab glassware comes
         | in much more exotic and hard to make forms than beakers. You
         | also might not be able to throw it away in the normal trash
         | because it is contaminated with something hazardous.
        
         | jmwilson wrote:
         | A lot of it is not mass-produced
         | (https://www.latimes.com/local/education/la-me-caltech-
         | glassb...). Even if you used brand-new pieces, for analytical
         | work, you'd still need to clean them according to these
         | procedures to remove residues from manufacturing, storage, and
         | shipping.
        
         | montecarl wrote:
         | Because laboratory glassware is very expensive and that would
         | be massively wasteful? Also, most labs that I have been in make
         | regular use of custom made glassware. Most chemistry
         | departments employ a glassblower! Also, for very sensitive
         | experiments, you would most certainly want to clean even brand
         | new unused glassware.
         | 
         | Glass is amazing for chemistry not only because it is
         | chemically inert, transparent, has a high melting temperature,
         | and is reasonably strong but also because it is easy to clean!
        
       | mmaunder wrote:
       | In case anyone else wanted to cut to the chase - as in, what is
       | the most badass, dangerous, corrosive and potentially deadly
       | cleaning method:
       | 
       |  _Hydrofluoric: Concentrated solutions of HF will remove just
       | about everything from glass and will even etch the surface of the
       | glass itself. It should not be used on calibrated volumetrics. HF
       | causes severe, painful burns that do not heal well, and prolonged
       | or intense exposure can lead to a very slow, painful death. It is
       | not to be used by any students at Truman under any
       | circumstances._
        
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