[HN Gopher] Ventoy
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       Ventoy
        
       Author : matthberg
       Score  : 357 points
       Date   : 2023-12-17 11:23 UTC (1 days ago)
        
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       | bcye wrote:
       | So you can boot from a USB that already has other files on it or
       | just other isos?
        
         | vorticalbox wrote:
         | You can put other files on it too.
         | 
         | It is basically a bootloader that lists all the Isos on the
         | drive and let's you boot them.
         | 
         | I have a handful of Isos and it's a good send
        
           | rocky_raccoon wrote:
           | I like "good send" -- it's a bit less hyperbolic than
           | "Godsend".
        
           | bcye wrote:
           | This is absolutely amazing. Having to clear out a usb just to
           | boot a live image is really annoying (still need to format
           | the usbs with it at the beginning though)
        
         | drewzero1 wrote:
         | Yes- it formats the USB when you install Ventoy (to add an EFI
         | partition) but after that you can put other files on it in
         | addition to the ISOs. It will only show the ISOs in the boot
         | menu and ignore the other files.
        
           | jtriangle wrote:
           | And those other files can include bios files, drivers, etc
        
             | drewzero1 wrote:
             | If your files include non-bootable ISOs, they will also
             | show up in the boot menu. I haven't tried selecting one to
             | see what happens.
        
               | 77pt77 wrote:
               | You can say that only a specific folder has ISOs.
               | 
               | It's configurable via a simple json file.
        
               | drewzero1 wrote:
               | Good to know! I haven't looked into the configuration at
               | all, just been using it as-installed since hearing about
               | it a little over a year ago. (Thanks, Late Night Linux!)
        
               | 77pt77 wrote:
               | https://www.ventoy.net/en/plugin_imagelist.html
               | 
               | Example config:
               | 
               | { "image_list": [
               | "/ISO/Linux/archlinux-2020.10.01-x86_64.iso", "/ISO/cn_wi
               | ndows_10_enterprise_ltsc_2019_x64_dvd_9c09ff24.iso",
               | "/ISO/Win10PE.iso" ] }
               | 
               | or:
               | 
               | https://www.ventoy.net/en/plugin_control.html
               | 
               | And something like:
               | 
               | { "VTOY_DEFAULT_SEARCH_ROOT": "/ISO" }
        
           | girishso wrote:
           | Is there any option to set a default ISO to boot? Without
           | having to select a file manually. I keep juggling between
           | different OSes on raspberry pies and it's a pain to reformat
           | drive again and again. But sometimes i do want it to boot
           | headless.
        
             | c-hendricks wrote:
             | See `VTOY_DEFAULT_IMAGE`, which also allows for some
             | special values: https://www.ventoy.net/en/plugin_control.ht
             | ml#vtoy_default_i...
        
           | HankB99 wrote:
           | You can also have it leave extra space at the end of the
           | device. I create a new partition there and format it with ab
           | EXT4 filesystem. At one time (I think) Windows could not deal
           | with the extra partition but Linux does just fine.
        
         | riskable wrote:
         | You can put whatever you want on the VENTOY drive: I made one
         | for a friend a that had Kubuntu and Tails ISOs along with Yuzu
         | (Nintendo Switch emulator) and a bunch of Switch games.
         | 
         | I didn't test Tails much (I was just trying to encourage
         | learning linux through fun... _tools_ ) but I could boot into
         | Kubuntu and play the included Switch games. It even worked with
         | a cheap/generic Switch Pro-like controller without any extra
         | setup required other than to tell Yuzu to use it.
         | 
         | Essentially it was an instant boot-on-anything Nintendo Switch
         | emulator thumb drive (it was one of the tinier varieties too).
         | Tape that drive to the back of a $20 Switch Pro-like controller
         | and it's a fantastic Christmas gift
        
           | walteweiss wrote:
           | Sounds really cool! Thanks for the idea!
        
       | thaumaturgy wrote:
       | I recently needed to install Linux onto two new systems, and the
       | process has somehow gotten even more infuriating since I last
       | purchased hardware about five years ago. Between Secure Boot,
       | UEFI, the Windows Boot Loader, "self-healing BIOS" (aka, "huh,
       | you tried to boot something other than Windows, lemme just revert
       | all those BIOS settings for you..."), and either crippled or
       | inscrutably complex BIOS, I was dead in the water with the
       | install process for several hours on each device.
       | 
       | Ventoy saved my bacon. _One_ of the problems I was encountering
       | turned out to be that one of the BIOSes wasn 't recognizing the
       | standard Debian ISO (any of them) as bootable, but it did
       | recognize Ventoy. The other device ultimately refused to boot
       | anything other than either Windows or Ubuntu (hard-locking on
       | kernel load), but Ventoy at least made it easier to trial-and-
       | error my way to that conclusion.
       | 
       | I flatly refuse to purchase a mass-market computer ever again.
       | Everything from this point forward is either going to be custom
       | built or purchased from a vendor with explicit Linux support.
        
         | vbezhenar wrote:
         | That's surprising. I never experienced that. All I do is format
         | USB stick with FAT32, copy files from ISO and it just works.
        
           | thaumaturgy wrote:
           | I invite you to give that a shot on either an LG 16Z90R or a
           | Dell Inspiron 7710.
        
             | tripflag wrote:
             | while I don't have any of those machines readily available,
             | i am curious if this USB image [1] would work. It's a
             | lightly customized Alpine which can be written to a
             | flashdrive using either Rufus, usbimager, or this command:
             | xz -dkc <asm.usb.xz >/dev/sdi
             | 
             | the image was built using this repo [2] and this command:
             | ./build.sh -i dl/alpine-standard-3.19.0-x86_64.iso -p min
             | -s 0.3
             | 
             | [1] https://ocv.me/asm.usb.xz [2]
             | https://github.com/9001/asm
        
               | thaumaturgy wrote:
               | Would've been happy to try this, but this device has
               | already been shipped to the recipient. FWIW the consensus
               | was that Secure Boot on the Inspiron was still
               | _partially_ active, even after disabling it in BIOS. If
               | this image is capable of running with Secure Boot
               | enabled, then it should work. If it requires disabling
               | Secure Boot, then it probably wouldn 't.
        
               | tripflag wrote:
               | In that case we probably have the answer already :) The
               | next question then would have been whether secureboot-
               | signing it yourself and replacing the PK/DB in the BIOS
               | would have made it work, but it's really unfortunate that
               | we've gotten to this point.
        
               | thaumaturgy wrote:
               | Yeah. I was genuinely surprised at how hostile the
               | process has become. These were the most difficult
               | installs I've ever had by far, and for entirely different
               | reasons than in the past. Contrary to past installs, once
               | I finally got the OS on there, everything else worked
               | better than expected.
        
         | Dalewyn wrote:
         | >the Windows Boot Loader,
         | 
         | Just FYI, Windows Boot Manager (and also its predecessor NTLDR)
         | can chainload into any other bootloader including GRUB.
         | Originally intended to support dualbooting Windows NT with
         | Windows 9x, it's actually quite handy and reliable.
         | 
         | >I flatly refuse to purchase a mass-market computer ever again.
         | 
         | There's your problem. "Big box" store-bought computers have
         | motherboards that are locked down and devoid of most advanced
         | features.
        
           | csdvrx wrote:
           | I've seen old tutorial from the Windows 7 era, tried to do
           | the same with Windows 11 but failed.
           | 
           | Can you explain how to use Windows bootmgr to chainload a
           | linux kernel store either in the EFI or the NTFS?
           | 
           | The goal is to use the same menu that shows different Windows
           | versions from different drives
        
         | Perz1val wrote:
         | Here we go again: Leave that damn windows bootloader alone.
         | Create new partition for the new bootloader, set it as default
         | boot partition. When booting choose "Windows boot mgr" in GRUB
         | (may need to run osprober), it'll work fine. This way windows
         | can keep it's bootloader healthy, and you can boot to both
         | OSes.
        
           | thaumaturgy wrote:
           | Appreciate the advice, but I have no interest in booting
           | Windows and would rather not keep its boot loader. On the
           | exceedingly rare occasion that I need Windows for something,
           | a VM is far more convenient than a reboot.
        
             | ipdashc wrote:
             | Hm, I'm confused- why you do not just wipe the Windows
             | install entirely then?
        
               | thaumaturgy wrote:
               | I do, but that requires either successfully booting
               | something else or pulling the drive. Manufacturers are
               | making it incrementally harder to successfully boot
               | something else. Pulling the drive is still an option, but
               | it turned out that I didn't have the right NVME adapter
               | and one wasn't available locally, and in any case, if you
               | do that and still can't get it to boot, then you have to
               | have a backup image of the drive or you're really SOL. If
               | the device still boots Windows in any condition, I can
               | still return it to the retailer as a plan Z.
        
       | pyrophane wrote:
       | This is a great tool for those of us who might have a bit of a
       | distro hopping problem. You no longer need to do the whole song
       | and dance with `dd` and can just copy a bunch of ISOs to a single
       | USB drive
        
         | Redster wrote:
         | I recently started getting into Linux, I was able to load up
         | four or five ISOs and cycle through them so painlessly. Very
         | fun.
        
       | lproven wrote:
       | Fantastic tool. Works with Linux, Windows, FreeBSD, some forms of
       | DOS -- most things.
       | 
       | I wrote about it here:
       | https://www.theregister.com/2021/12/10/friday_foss_fest/
       | 
       | Now there's a PXE network-boot version too.
       | 
       | https://www.iventoy.com/en/index.html
        
         | chem83 wrote:
         | Knew about http://netboot.xyz, but had no idea iVentoy existed.
         | Good to know.
        
         | gosub100 wrote:
         | I've never tried ventoy, but if the PXE/netboot features work,
         | I want to strongly urge anyone thinking of experimenting with
         | PXE/netboot to _use ventoy_ or any other similar helper instead
         | of trying to set up PXE /netboot yourself. I can confidently
         | say that PXE was the single most difficult project/aspect of
         | computing I've ever worked on in the 20 years of working with
         | Linux machines as a hobby and a job. 3-4 times I attempted to
         | mess with it, got it working about 2. Wasted/spent an
         | absolutely enormous amount of time.
        
           | yonatan8070 wrote:
           | I tried iVnetoy on both Windows and Linux, on Windows I
           | couldn't get it working (don't know why, maybe a firewall
           | issue?), but on Linux it worked flawlessly, and the injection
           | features are also great
        
           | tripflag wrote:
           | iPXE makes the client-side part of it manageable; the only
           | drawback is having to walk through the open pull-requests on
           | github for the patches you need to get it working, and
           | possibly having to fight some buggy uefi drivers (usually
           | solved with snponly). Also has the advantage of making it
           | possible to do everything secureboot + over TLS with your own
           | certificates, rather than classical PXE which is all
           | plaintext.
           | 
           | For the serverside, there are several python projects on
           | github which provide everything you need in one package, for
           | example pybootd.
        
           | jandrese wrote:
           | PXE is one of those things that used to be dead simple to set
           | up. Just add an entry to the DHCP record and set up a TFTP
           | server for the kernel and NFS root drive and you were golden.
           | 
           | UEFI threw a huge moneywrench in the process, and SystemD
           | doesn't help. Last time I made it work I had to track down a
           | mailing list entry where someone discussed an otherwise
           | undocumented kernel option that needed to be set to make it
           | work. One of the key glue techs that made it work last time
           | (rom-o-matic) went out of development and is gone.
        
             | gertlex wrote:
             | Just commenting an adjacent UEFI problem solved: My
             | workaround at work with some old test robots that I still
             | use, but don't have UEFI... Put iPXE on a flash drive, and
             | use that to chain-boot into the uefi-only PXE setup.
             | (there's still a few that this doesn't work for, but it's a
             | minority and I'm going to scrap those...)
        
             | gosub100 wrote:
             | Either Dell or Lenovo (can't remember which, I own both
             | laptops) has some new-generation HTTPS boot, tried it (I
             | wanted to dual boot FreeBSD/Linux without messing with
             | UEFI, disabling secure boot, or repartitioning, just
             | pressing F12 and net-booting), wasted _another_ 2-3 hours
             | rebooting each time, got absolutely nowhere again. Man,
             | this stuff is cursed.
        
             | StillBored wrote:
             | That is still basically the process. You need to ensure
             | that the arch options are being selected properly in your
             | dhcp file, ex:
             | 
             | if option arch = 00:07 { filename "uefi/shimx64.efi"; next-
             | server X.X.X.X; } else ...
             | 
             | Otherwise, your going to get the wrong arch/filename.
             | 
             | It is similar to HTTPS, but the arch = 00:10 for x64 and it
             | needs:
             | 
             | option vendor-class-identifier "HTTPClient";
             | 
             | Then put the URL in the filename field.
             | 
             | Finally just put the usual bios/pxe stub in the last "else"
             | 
             | Of course, your distro should provide a PXE capable
             | grub/kernel/initrd, which you then toss on the TFTP/HTTPS
             | (or HTTP then you don't have to deal with certs) server in
             | the path provided.
        
             | toast0 wrote:
             | UEFI seems hard, because there's no standardized way to
             | boot ISO files, and memdisk from syslinux doesn't work in
             | UEFI. With memdisk, the OS kernel could (if properly
             | written) hook into the loaded image, and mount that as
             | well.
             | 
             | Without that support, you have to take apart ISO files to
             | netboot them, and your PXE environment needs to understand
             | the various kernels and how to boot them, and how to
             | provide modules / filesystem images.
             | 
             | It's a big pain.
        
           | gertlex wrote:
           | You are not wrong.
           | 
           | But I get a good bit of satisfaction of having gleaned a
           | pretty functional understanding of setting up PXE/netboot
           | (Ubuntu installs; with a Ubuntu PXE server via DNSMasq + nfs
           | + tftp).
           | 
           | I even did some grub menu user input (and ascii art while I
           | was at it) prompts/trickery to allow choosing the machine
           | name shortly after boot, before the long slow Ubuntu install.
           | 
           | The list of things I've failed at (memtest) or not tried
           | (Windows) is surely long, though.
           | 
           | Ventoy is fantastic for any lower-volume imaging needs I
           | have, of course.
        
       | timetraveller26 wrote:
       | This is the best tool I have used for my linux installs, it also
       | is handy to have some recovery/maintenance ISO's quickly
       | available.
       | 
       | It works with BIOS and UEFI and even lets you keep using your usb
       | for other files.
        
       | keb_ wrote:
       | Gonna echo everyone here and say this is a great tool, but I was
       | sad to find out that it does not work with the Steam Deck
       | Recovery image.
        
       | pityJuke wrote:
       | I know Ventoy has been around for a while, but I'm still glad we
       | have a good FOSS solution for this. Back in the day, I used to
       | run a proprietary (I think) tool called SARDU for the job, which
       | worked fine, but wasn't terrific.
        
       | popey wrote:
       | It may have evolved since I last used it. But when I tried, it
       | was a bit of a "bag of spanners", thrown together shell scripts
       | which made some incorrect assumptions. Back then it didn't even
       | make a bootable device. Everyone seems to rave about it now
       | though, so may be worth another look.
        
         | Perz1val wrote:
         | I had an old version of ventoy and it worked flawlessly for a
         | long time. Recently it had some problems with booting an
         | EndeavourOS iso, I updated it and that fixed the issue.
         | Updating was just downloading fresh installer and clicking a
         | button. For me it has always been solid, the UX of just copying
         | over the iso and still being able to store random crap is
         | perfect.
        
       | csdvrx wrote:
       | Key limitation: can't be installed to run standalone (in a
       | partition on your nvme boot drive) if you care about partitions
       | alignment.
       | 
       | Variants without this limitation were discussed yesterday.
       | 
       | Usecase: a rescue distribution to start from the UEFI menu
       | manually, or automatically if your normal boot fails
        
         | walteweiss wrote:
         | Why not dual boot any Linux for that? If you use Windows. Coz
         | if it run Linux, you're fine, you can just load another kernel
         | of your is happened to break after the update.
        
           | csdvrx wrote:
           | The goal is to have full ISOs, for Ubuntu, Windows 11 etc
           | with the minimal number of partitions and files, for easy
           | maintenance and imaging to other computers
           | 
           | A few ISO + a UEFI entry to select them is much simpler: the
           | ISO file will never change. It can not be rended unbootable
           | by mistake
           | 
           | I tried to explain that yesterday in a reply to
           | https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38668260 and on
           | https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38668809
        
       | leeoniya wrote:
       | the persistence feature is cool:
       | https://www.ventoy.net/en/plugin_persistence.html
       | 
       | especially if you want to customize or keep your bootable
       | recovery disk usb updated without rolling your own ISOs.
        
         | 77pt77 wrote:
         | Unfortunately that works by creating a FS on a loop image file,
         | you can't use the FS in the actual USB stick.
         | 
         | It's still great, but if you run into space issues you'll have
         | to extend the loop file.
        
       | phyzome wrote:
       | Fantastic tool.
       | 
       | Having a single thumb drive with multiple ISOs on it means you
       | don't have to keep juggling thumb drives ("now _where_ did I put
       | my Debian 12 XFCE installer ") or overwriting them over and over
       | ("oh no, this has the 64-bit ISO, but now I need the 32-bit
       | installer").
        
         | jtriangle wrote:
         | I have an external nvme with many iso's running ventoy and it's
         | become an absolute staple. I even engraved 'ventoy' on it with
         | a hand engraver so there's never any doubt.
         | 
         | Useful for more than installs too, I have live distros with
         | things like memtest, gparted and clonezilla, which really
         | simplifies little one-off fixes.
        
           | stavros wrote:
           | How does the external NVMe work? Is there a USB enclosure for
           | it? How does it fare against a USB thumb drive?
        
             | wtallis wrote:
             | There are Thunderbolt based drive enclosures, but the
             | reasonably priced ones are all based on one of a handful of
             | USB to NVMe bridge chips. You usually get a 10Gbps link, so
             | nowhere near the speed the NVMe drive inside is capable of,
             | but about twice the performance of SATA-based USB drives or
             | the fastest that use a USB-native SSD controller. Compared
             | to a typical USB thumb drive, performance is night and day,
             | especially for writes and random access.
        
               | stavros wrote:
               | Interesting, thank you, though I guess I'd have to go USB
               | 3 or USB-C, as I don't have Thunderbolt.
        
             | Modified3019 wrote:
             | Nvme to usb enclosures can work great, but can also be
             | dodgy to work with. I personally find SATA enclosures more
             | reliable overall, as they are less demanding
             | 
             | There are a few issues at play:
             | 
             | 1. Power supply issues: the power demands of your mix of
             | enclosure and drive may not be satisfied by your USB
             | port(s), which can vary wildly in capability, and over
             | time.
             | 
             | 2. The controller within the enclosure can overheat under
             | load. This seems to happen across many enclosures I've
             | tried. Larger enclosures may allow for attaching a tiny
             | heatsink.
             | 
             | 3. NVMe drives may not gracefully handle sudden
             | disconnections. USB connections are inherently unreliable
             | interfaces prone to physical disruption and loss of power,
             | which will multiply against any normally hidden non-
             | resiliance in the nvme drive.
             | 
             | If your drive decides to stop showing up, first try loading
             | up the boot device selection screen in the UEFI, and then
             | insert the drive. It may take several seconds to show up.
             | If trying that a few times doesn't work, the drive may be
             | stuck in some kind of bad state. You may be able to recover
             | from this with the unfortunately poorly known power cycle
             | technique https://dfarq.homeip.net/fix-dead-ssd/
             | 
             | The technique summarized is:
             | 
             | 1. Connect to power (not data) only. Alternatively letting
             | the drive sit at bios setup screen also seems to work. Turn
             | on the power and leave the power on for 30 minutes.
             | 
             | 2. After 30 minutes, power down or pull the power cable.
             | 
             | 3. Wait 30 seconds, then restore power.
             | 
             | 4. Let the drive sit powered on for another 30 minutes.
             | 
             | 5. Power down again, then wait 30 seconds.
             | 
             | Always set up automatic backups if you actually have non-
             | replaceable data on the drive. They can and will just
             | suddenly die forever with loss of all data, just like thumb
             | drives. _You have been warned._
             | 
             | All that said, there are generally less issues if you are
             | simply putting ventoy on it to just install an OS from an
             | iso.
             | 
             | I have a dual raid1 sata enclosure that I use to boot a
             | windows to go install created with Rufus
             | (https://github.com/pbatard/rufus), which makes testing and
             | benchmarking so much nicer to deal with. I've even stuck
             | games on it, and other than relative filesystem slowness it
             | works pretty great, once I added a heatsink to the
             | enclosure controller.
        
             | CapstanRoller wrote:
             | Something like this tool-less Sabrent NVMe enclosure ($30
             | https://a.co/d/2JOZsHn) paired with an inexpensive M.2 SSD.
             | 
             | Not sure how gracefully the enclosure downgrades to USB 2.0
             | speeds, but it's very handy and very fast.
             | 
             | The SSD doesn't need to be fancy. It's overall bigger than
             | a typical thumb drive, but much more reliable and the SSD
             | can be easily swapped out. The detachable USB C cable on
             | the enclosure is also very convenient.
        
         | RunSet wrote:
         | I only recently learned that Ventoy can also boot from
         | Virtualbox VHD files and run them "on the metal".
         | 
         | https://forums.ventoy.net/archive/index.php?thread-416.html
        
           | aspenmayer wrote:
           | Now that's awesome. Thanks for that, I was not aware of this
           | feature.
        
           | pxeboot wrote:
           | Microsoft has supported "Native VHD Boot" since at least
           | Windows 7 [1], but it is cool this project can configure it
           | automatically.
           | 
           | [1] https://learn.microsoft.com/en-
           | us/virtualization/community/t...
        
         | sys_64738 wrote:
         | It's one of those tools that you don't know exists and then you
         | wonder how you did without. The ingenuity of FLOSS developers
         | never ceases to amaze me.
        
       | WallyFunk wrote:
       | I have the Gandalf rescue ISO[0] on this, among many other ISOs I
       | use incase I need to repair/rescue or install stuff. My Ventoy
       | setup is a veritable 'Swiss army knife' for general IT related
       | things. The Gandalf Windows preinstalled environment has all this
       | bundled with it, if anyone's interested:
       | Tools/Utilities included on this Windows PE:         AoMei
       | Partition Assistant: Partitioning solution         WinRAR:
       | Powerful archiver and archive manager         7-Zip: Archiver and
       | archive manager         Defraggler: Disk Defragmenter         MS
       | Paint and Wordpad: Microsoft's basic image and text editors
       | Macrium Reflect: Backup and disk imaging solution
       | CCleaner: System optimization, privacy and cleaning tool
       | Media Player Classic: Classic Windows media player
       | HWiNFO: Hardware information and diagnostic tool         Snipping
       | Tool: Screen capture application.         Windows Defender:
       | Microsoft's excellent antivirus app         TeamViewer: Remote
       | control solution         Double Drive: Driver backup application
       | Winmerge: File comparison tool         Opera: Web Browser, Fast,
       | simple and safe way to get around on the web         GetRight:
       | Download manager         Ntpwedit: Change or remove passwords for
       | local system accounts         Partition Wizard         Virtual
       | Keyboard         Virtual Magnifying Glass         DiskCryptor:
       | Disk encryption application similar to Bitlocker
       | Bitlocker: Microsoft's disk encryption application
       | Powershell: Powerful automation tool is both a shell and a
       | scripting language         UltraISO: Directly edit ISO files,
       | make images from CD/DVD-ROM         Unlocker: Unlocker helps
       | delete locked files with error messages         Gimagex: A
       | graphical user interface for the ImageX tool
       | SuperAntiSpyWare: Free Malware Remover         Magic Jelly Bean
       | Key Finder: A utility that retrieves your Product Keys
       | HiJackThis: Spot home page hijackers and startup programs
       | Ghost: The classic imaging tool         Skype: Provides video
       | chat and voice calls         VNC Viewer: Remote Control Software
       | Sysinternal Suite Troubleshooting Utilities         VLC Media
       | Player: Open-source cross-platform multimedia player
       | IrfanView Image Viewer         FastStone Image Viewer: User-
       | friendly image browser, converter and editor         Mozilla
       | FireFox: Another great browser         Easy BCD: Boot management
       | tool and bcd editor         Snipping Tool: Take snapshots
       | Drive Snapshot: Disk imaging solution         MyLan Viewer:
       | Network/IP Scanner         Rufus: Utility to format and create
       | bootable USB flash drives         Wise Data Recovery: Recovery
       | program to get back deleted photos, documents, etc.
       | WinToolkit: Customize Your Windows Installation         ImgBurn:
       | CD burning tool         Treesize: Quickly Scan Directory Sizes
       | and Find Space Hogs         Klite Codec Pack Basic
       | RecoverKeys: Retrieves your Product Keys         Remote Desktop:
       | Latest version of Windows remote desktop         DismGui: Dism
       | with a graphical interface         Klite Codec Pack Basic
       | Google Chrome: Great Browser         Powershell: Automation
       | scripting
       | 
       | [0] https://www.fcportables.com/gandalf-boot-iso/
        
       | kup0 wrote:
       | This is what I use most often these days for loading any system
       | with a Linux install (or to test drive distros it's an awesome
       | tool).
       | 
       | I have found some hardware seems to have weird issues with drives
       | of a certain size (I tried using a 256GB external SSD and have
       | encountered a laptop that will not boot from it, and will only
       | boot from USB storage if it's like 32GB or lower or something
       | weird like that). But that appears to be a particular quirk of
       | that laptop and nothing to do with Ventoy in particular.
        
       | b8 wrote:
       | Very useful and neat. Beats using Rufus to image something.
        
       | golergka wrote:
       | Never heard of it before. Don't really have a use for it. But
       | still love the fact that HN frontpage brings these kinds of
       | projects up sometimes.
        
       | DrNosferatu wrote:
       | What about FreeDOS?
       | 
       | FreeDOS with SBEmu is really nice for an instant DOS machine on
       | real hardware:
       | 
       | https://github.com/crazii/SBEMU/releases
        
       | tarruda wrote:
       | I'm blown away by how easy this makes having a boot drive for
       | multiple operating systems while also letting the thumb drive
       | work normally as a data storage medium
        
       | jakebasile wrote:
       | Echoing the praise here. I just install this on all the USB
       | storage devices I have. If I have ISOs on it, now I can boot.
       | Otherwise I can use them as regular USB storage.
        
       | plagiat0r wrote:
       | There are hardware disk enclosures that emulate an optical drive
       | over USB and booting works on hardware level with "physical"
       | optical drive.
       | 
       | But how ventoy achieve systems booting and detecting the iso
       | programmatically? I know that initially, there seems to be grub2
       | reading usb file list and then it reads iso eltorito boot image
       | and boots from it, but how exactly the OS itself know about the
       | virtual drive? Is there an interface in uefi or bios that allow
       | emulate optical drive, or some other standard is at play and
       | operating systems just happens to support it? Window 10/11 pe /
       | installer, for example, reports the iso in diskpart as virtual
       | disk. Not an optical drive. Windows kernel actually mounts the
       | iso somehow automatically.
       | 
       | Can someone point me on how this actually works, please.
        
         | dist-epoch wrote:
         | I don't know the answer, but it's not required to emulate an
         | optical drive.
         | 
         | Modern UEFI BIOSes can natively boot from USB sticks, they can
         | save settings and screenshots to the USB stick (thus they are
         | not mounted read-only).
        
       | notimpotent wrote:
       | I've used similar tools like imageUSB and Rufus in the past. But
       | it looks like Ventoy is better in every aspect. Excellent!
        
       | latchkey wrote:
       | Discussions on similar submissions:
       | 
       |  _A New Bootable USB Solution_
       | https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28889392 (October 16, 2021
       | -- 182 points, 47 comments)
       | 
       |  _Ventoy makes making bootable USB drives easy_
       | https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24273289 (August 25, 2020 --
       | 66 points, 11 comments)
       | 
       |  _Ventoy: A new bootable USB solution_
       | https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24241485 (August 21, 2020 --
       | 394 points, 106 comments)
       | 
       |  _Ventoy - A New Bootable USB Solution_
       | https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23394714 (June 2, 2020 -- 70
       | points, 6 comments)
        
       | proxysna wrote:
       | Love the tool, been using it for a long time. But one thing that
       | it can't do is illumos based iso's.
        
       | mmgutz wrote:
       | Another plus is Ventoy can install Windows 11 without secure
       | boot, TPM from an official MS ISO. Some Linux distros cannot
       | install with those features enabled.
        
       | breakds wrote:
       | The only thing that I carry all day besides my laptop is a flash
       | disk with ventoy in it.
        
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