[HN Gopher] How can Santa keep his lists when the GDPR is around?
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How can Santa keep his lists when the GDPR is around?
Author : unleaded
Score : 145 points
Date : 2023-12-24 18:54 UTC (4 hours ago)
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| tempodox wrote:
| GDPR should reduce Santa's workload because presents are opt-in
| now.
| whartung wrote:
| Tell you what, I'm opting in to Santa.
| johndunne wrote:
| Should I be envious of any parent who had to actually address
| this one with a Santa believing kid advanced enough to ponder
| this one!
| zbowling wrote:
| Santa has a cookie notice now that you must accept when he
| collects the cookies you leave for him.
| johndhi wrote:
| Are the cookies you leave out for Santa "strictly necessary"?
| They might be a species of marketing: you're trying to convince
| him to give you more gifts.
| jahewson wrote:
| Also make sure to bake them yourself instead of using third
| party cookies.
| 082349872349872 wrote:
| More worryingly: if Santa knows who's been naughty and who's been
| nice, he would necessarily have been aware that the other
| reindeer had been mobbing Rudolph, but did _nothing_ about it
| until circumstances made Rudolph 's talents useful to the North
| Pole.
| nyokodo wrote:
| The good kids get to enjoy the worsened global warming, lower
| air quality, and radioactive fallout from all the coal Santa
| distributes to the bad kids.
| pc86 wrote:
| This presumes that "who" refers to all living animals
| (organisms?) and not just human beings.
| throwup238 wrote:
| I believe Krampus is responsible for non-human animals.
| 082349872349872 wrote:
| Given that Der Krampus arrives Dec. 6, he's probably just
| playing bad cop to St. Nick's good cop. According to
| traditional theology, animals don't have souls, so they
| don't have much to do with religion, and believers had
| better be satisfied spending an eternity strumming their
| harps with neither Fido nor Kat Vonnegut Jr. for company.
|
| (does Dante mention any animals in the 1st circle? Non-
| philospher non-featherless non-biped animals, that is...)
| tetris11 wrote:
| Animals have stood trial for their actions since the time
| of the Greeks, and have undergone shifts of being
| intentional criminals, to automatons of Nature who can't
| be judged, to self-aware beings with rich inner lives who
| should stand trial for their actions, but Animal Trials
| were out of vogue by then.
| idonotknowwhy wrote:
| Cool didn't know that. So when did we evolve souls?
| dudul wrote:
| This was part of his plan for Rudolph to toughened up and be
| ready to lead the sleigh.
|
| Rudolph is basically a Christmas version of Ender Wiggins.
| chrismcb wrote:
| Perhaps he was already giving the other reindeer coal? There
| isn't much else Santa does to naughty kids.
| evanjrowley wrote:
| Supplying coal, for their factories and war engines.
| pylua wrote:
| Even Santa was rude to donner and Rudolph when he first found
| out.
| tibbydudeza wrote:
| Santa has an exemption for all children until the age of 12.
| woodylondon wrote:
| You are giving the EU ideas!!!!!
| szszrk wrote:
| Honestly EU doesn't have to change a single thing. All
| compliance exists already.
|
| The trick is to not track good children at all, only those bad
| ones. I'd you leverage sanction lists (that exist already) to
| track the bad children, you have all cases covered.
|
| Any Santa related contractor (Santa helpers, elves, etc) have
| to check a sanction list to see if they can finalize a
| transaction with said child.
|
| As for lists: when a child sends a request for particular gift,
| it starts a formal transaction. The other entity is legally
| allowed to process said child's data to provide the service
| they agreed upon.
|
| Kids that have not sent a letter to Santa and are not mentioned
| in sanction lists, can still get gifts but Santa lacks
| profiling metadata and can only provide generic, unprofiled
| gifts. Which is good as already have sufficient amount of
| Bluetooth speakers and Paw Patrol toys.
| mewpmewp2 wrote:
| I'm asking my children every time, whether they consent to giving
| the Santa their list of actions. If they don't consent, they
| won't be receiving any gifts at all. It's that simple.
| eastbound wrote:
| Do you consent to give your insurance the list of your actions?
| If you don't, you won't be receiving any damage indemnity at
| all.
|
| I suppose that was the metaphor ?
| mewpmewp2 wrote:
| My main metaphor I guess is that I like to be annoying to my
| children, but I don't really have children yet, so I'm just
| looking forwards to annoying my children. It's just the most
| exciting part of potentially having children - having
| unlimited power and time to be able to troll them. And seeing
| how these great neural networks try to adapt to it. I will do
| my best to keep them guessing for sure.
| Yiin wrote:
| I really hope you change your outlook on children
| development by the time you get to having them, unless
| you're talking about kids older than 7 y.o. If you really
| want to, you can make kids think whatever you want, that's
| why religious brainwashing is so effective.
| mewpmewp2 wrote:
| Could you please elaborate on what exactly you hope I
| change my outlook on.
| __s wrote:
| My father got a kick out of being like this
|
| - there are 1000s of recycling numbers
|
| - color was invented in the mid 20th century, "back in the
| black & white days"
|
| - giving random sounds to toys (trex goes neigh)
|
| - he told my sister he could fly. She believed it was
| happening for a moment when he slowly flapped his hands &
| went up on tippy toes
|
| - accidentally he explained to her a scifi short story
| where martian colonies seek indepence by collecting water
| from Saturn's rings. She wasn't corrected until she brought
| it up at school, where her real father was a bit annoyed
| about my father feeding her nonsense all the time
|
| Overall good upbringing & it's good to teach kid's not to
| be so gullible
| addandsubtract wrote:
| They better get a cookie for consenting to your terms.
| matsemann wrote:
| The consent should be informed and _freely given_. Not sure
| this holds if there 's a threat of not receiving gifts!
| dist-epoch wrote:
| Gifts are a privilege, not a right, I can't threaten you by
| demanding $1000 from you for a Macbook.
|
| But you have a point in that a minor can't consent to a legal
| contract.
|
| And parent is clearly abusing his authority position,
| possibly with implied threats.
| matsemann wrote:
| But you can't say "in order to use this service you have to
| accept tracking". That's not a freely given consent, if the
| service would work fine without.
|
| But perhaps it's hard to santa to do his job without this
| data.
| 8note wrote:
| Santa can't give _personalized_ gifts without the data.
|
| $5 gift certificate to 7-11 is the standard gift for
| everyone without tracking
| asadalt wrote:
| There is no "Dont consent", there is only "More Options" that
| takes a few hours to load and then you get a page with many
| toggles.
| LouisSayers wrote:
| I think if you've left cookies out for him, you've implicitly
| given consent
| arccy wrote:
| that's why we give santa cookies (and milk)
| jrflowers wrote:
| Santa Claus lives off the grid and flies his unregistered
| aircraft across borders with no use for a passport.
|
| Santa Claus is a free man on the land sovereign citizen
| kramerger wrote:
| Nah, have you ever met a "sovereign citizen" that gives
| anything back to the society?
| antisthenes wrote:
| They certainly give back some entertainment value to society.
| jrflowers wrote:
| He runs a massive unregulated surveillance apparatus with no
| opt out and forces adults to accept it by buying the good
| will of children with goods made by his stable of captive
| unpaid workers
| chrismcb wrote:
| Yes. Apparently you haven't. Have you actually met a
| "sovereign citizen?"
| cperciva wrote:
| Santa Claus was issued a Canadian Passport in 2013:
| https://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/canada-issues-...
|
| That said, it expired a few days ago; I don't know if it was
| ever renewed.
| perihelions wrote:
| That's just rude. Using children's entertainment to push
| geopolitical bullshit about mineral rights.
|
| - _" Still, the Canadian government was careful to drive home
| the point that it believes Santa's workshop lies within this
| country's territory. [...] As The Globe and Mail first
| reported earlier in the month, Prime Minister Stephen Harper
| made a last-minute intervention in Canada's planned
| submission to the United Nations commission that is accepting
| claims for seabed rights in regions such as the Arctic. Mr.
| Harper asked Canadian bureaucrats to go back to the drawing
| board and craft a more expansive claim for ocean-floor
| resources in the polar region after the proposed submission
| they showed him failed to include the geographic North
| Pole."_
| weinzierl wrote:
| He does not need consent because of Article 6 (e), which says
| that _" to perform a task in the public interest or in official
| authority"_ is a lawful purpose.
|
| Also people always forget that the scope of the GDPR is limited.
| The following three areas are generally exempt:
|
| - Personal or household activities
|
| - Law enforcement
|
| - National Security
| postsantum wrote:
| Another unelected official in Europe
| rectang wrote:
| All I want for Christmas is freedom from being endlessly spammed
| by anti-GDPR zealots co-opting Santa Claus.
| dehrmann wrote:
| The EU could pass a law giving an exemption to north pole-based
| charities.
| jerkstate wrote:
| My 3 year old asked me how Santa knows when you are sleeping and
| I told him "metadata" - he asked how he knows if you've been bad
| or good, and I told him, intelligence sharing agreements between
| five eyes nations. I hope he has a sense of humor about this when
| he gets older (but he probably won't remember it)
| stephenr wrote:
| Just as likely he'll start asking you to check under his bed
| for the monsters "mega dada" and "the one with five eyes"!
| timbit42 wrote:
| Obviously, Santa is a timelord who has assumed the identity of
| Saint Nicholas of Myra. This explains why he can live forever,
| why he appears differently to different children using psychic
| paper (skin color, clothing, shape, different names, etc), can
| enter homes without chimneys (Tardis disguised as a sleigh) and
| why his sack is bigger on the inside than the outside. The Doctor
| isn't the only timelord who has an affinity for earthlings.
| andylynch wrote:
| At least one time lord claims the name. Although that one
| probably should not be believed. Santa does definitely know how
| to get sonic screwdrivers though.
| amelius wrote:
| Santa never gets any presents, so he doesn't care being on the
| naughty list.
| throwaway892238 wrote:
| Santa literally performs breaking and entering in every home and
| nation in the world. He's an international criminal. I don't
| think he's losing sleep over GDPR.
| charcircuit wrote:
| Consider he also commits breaking and entering and theft he does
| not care about the GDPR.
| tzs wrote:
| GDPR could also make it hard on the Sandman and the Tooth Fairy.
| The Easter Bunny at least is probably unaffected.
| chrismcb wrote:
| Because he isn't in Europe.
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