[HN Gopher] The history of MSX computers [video]
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       The history of MSX computers [video]
        
       Author : skibz
       Score  : 48 points
       Date   : 2023-12-30 10:44 UTC (12 hours ago)
        
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       | nhggfu wrote:
       | #nostalgia - damn. i had one of these when i was ~ 8 enjoyed many
       | fun days playing "sky-jaguar" and other cartridge-based games.
        
       | arp242 wrote:
       | A lot of the games can be played online at https://www.file-
       | hunter.com/MSX/ - I found a lot of the games a lot more janky and
       | awkward than I remember them to be, and also quite repetitive.
       | YMMV.
       | 
       | All editions of the (Dutch language) MSX Magazine are online at:
       | https://www.msxcomputermagazine.nl/ - I guess it's of limited
       | interest because it's in Dutch, but I had great fun reading
       | through them a while ago.
        
         | bane wrote:
         | I believe the MSX 2 or 2+ added hardware support for scrolling
         | which made many games much better. It's weird playing old MSX-1
         | games and having the background lurch across the screen while
         | single-color sprites move around in offset smoothness.
         | 
         | A few of the more popular games have smooth scrolling patches I
         | believe to take advantage of the later hardware scrolling
         | support.
         | 
         | I'd say that the MSX-2 and beyond games easily achieve a level
         | somewhere between the NES and the Turbografx-16 when the
         | hardware was really in full swing.
        
           | timbit42 wrote:
           | MSX 2 had the Yamaha V9938 which added vertical hardware
           | scrolling and supported a light pen and mouse.
           | 
           | MSX 2+ had the Yamaha V9957 which added horizontal hardware
           | scrolling but didn't support a light pen or mouse.
        
       | buescher wrote:
       | MSX was really a little too little too late. The BASIC
       | interpreter looks nice and MSX-DOS was CP/M compatible. I can
       | almost imagine a past where something more like MSX2+ came out
       | much sooner and you could program it with Turbo Pascal. That
       | would have kept me occupied for a long while. The problem is you
       | have to square that with a world where the Macintosh came out in
       | 1984 and the Amiga in 1985.
        
         | forinti wrote:
         | It had a nice architecture for an 8 bit machine, though. You
         | could add a ton of RAM even to an MSX1. And you could get 80
         | columns cards too.
         | 
         | The first MSX was sold in 1983. It couldn't realistically have
         | been made much earlier. You must take into account that the 80s
         | had an explosion of technology. As soon as something hit the
         | market, it was already superseded by something better.
        
           | buescher wrote:
           | The Colecovision, which is similar, came out a year earlier.
           | The Z80 (1976) and the TI graphics chip (1979) were old news
           | by that point. I could almost imagine an MSX standard a year
           | earlier, with a fast Z80 (i.e. the 8 MHz Z80H, 1982) and an
           | iteration on the TMS9918.
        
         | wk_end wrote:
         | Technically I guess "too little too late" is a way to describe
         | it, but the MSX was a pretty big success in its home country -
         | and at least as big a success worldwide as the Amiga was - so
         | you might alternatively describe it as "just enough at just the
         | right time". For your average Japanese consumer, a commodity
         | MSX machine was dirt-cheap and had an absolute murderer's row
         | of high-quality games available for it. The Amiga and Mac were
         | comparatively expensive and software starved for most of the
         | MSX architecture's life...and then the PC came along and ate
         | everything anyway.
        
       | squarefoot wrote:
       | My only experience with MSX has been the Yamaha CX5 M2 I bought
       | used in the mid 80s to be used as synthesizer. Thanks to its
       | internal synthesizer chipset, it had similar functionality to the
       | poor man's DX7s of that time, that is, the DX9 and later the
       | DX21, but being able to edit patches on a monitor rather than on
       | a small character display was extremely useful. I found it at a
       | significant lower price than a full keyboard and used it for some
       | years with my Amiga as a sequencer and a couple other keyboards.
       | Was a pretty little machine which sounded good, but was also
       | pretty much single purpose as there was not much other software
       | to use it with.
        
       | sdk77 wrote:
       | What a coincidence, I first saw this video in my YouTube
       | recommends and now here. I used to have an MSX-2, a Philips. It
       | had a double sided 720K 3.5" floppy drive, fhe file system is
       | FAT12 and the disks were compatible with PC's. I learned Z80
       | assembler on the MSX and had a lot of fun with it both with
       | playing games and making it do cool stuff. This computer was
       | quite popular in the Netherlands as well as Spain.
        
         | louwrentius wrote:
         | We played a helicopter topology game in school on our MSX in
         | the 80s (The Netherlands).
         | 
         | It was fun and you learned where Dutch cities are located.
        
           | anonzzzies wrote:
           | The Radarsoft one? There was a much slower free version
           | around on BBSs/viditel as well.
        
       | bane wrote:
       | What a world it would have been if the MSX had made it in the
       | U.S. There's an interview somewhere with Jack Trameil talking
       | about how his plan to keep the MSX out of the U.S. and parts of
       | Europe was to just undercut the hell out of the platform.
       | 
       | Imagine if that had failed and we'd maybe be using the
       | descendants of the original MSX-line.
        
       | anonzzzies wrote:
       | Lovely machines. Learned programming basic and asm and after
       | pascal and c on it when I was a little kid begin 80s. Knowing
       | everything about a computer, hardware and software, is a very
       | nice thing. A thing no human in modern computing (well, with
       | modern computers that is) will ever have/feel anymore.
        
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