2000 From: Digestifier To: Subject: Dead-Flames Digest #532 Dead-Flames Digest #532, Volume #48 Sat, 8 Oct 05 12:00:02 PDT Contents: Re: Something exciting to do this weekend (NDC) ("Roxanne McDaniel") Re: Who has lots of time on their hands? ("Roxanne McDaniel") Re: Wake Up America! (ndc) ("Roxanne McDaniel") Re: Got Organic Milk? ("Roxanne McDaniel") Re: Cream at Royal Albert Hall ("Roxanne McDaniel") Re: My 10-6-2005 New Riders of the Purple Sage experience. ("dyrewlf") Got Help? (ndc) ("Roxanne McDaniel") Anyone get tickets for Phil at Bimbo's? ("AirtimeJunkie") Re: Got Help? (ndc) (Ken Fortenberry) Re: Got Help? (ndc) ("Roxanne McDaniel") Re: Got Help? (ndc) (joker4153@comcast.net) Re: My 10-6-2005 New Riders of the Purple Sage experience. (ba ba booie) Rescuing Jesus (ndc) ("Roxanne McDaniel") Re: Watchya Listenin' To Lately? ("Bill") Re: Got Help? (ndc) ("Richard Morris") Re: Got Organic Milk? ("Richard Morris") Re: My 10-6-2005 New Riders of the Purple Sage experience. ("Richard Morris") Re: Got Help? (ndc) ("augustwestern") ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Roxanne McDaniel" Subject: Re: Something exciting to do this weekend (NDC) Date: Sat, 08 Oct 2005 17:05:27 GMT "Richard Morris" > wrote in message If you have nothing else to do, you can come to Sacramento to watch the salmon run in the American River this weekend. They swim upstream, er ah *reproduce* (wink nudge) and then die. I think maybe they all sport, "Live Hard and Die Young" tattoos, or something like that. At this time I think that we should all be grateful that we were not born as salmon. At least most of us. R, humming "Black Muddy River" to himself. -- Drop "trousers" to respond via email. ******************************************* Spawning was better in the 70's :') Fall is a great time of year. It's the only thing I miss 'bout Ohio. This will be my first fall with a fire pit. Here's to all you other freaks who enjoy watching nature *clink* ------------------------------ From: "Roxanne McDaniel" Subject: Re: Who has lots of time on their hands? Date: Sat, 08 Oct 2005 17:06:39 GMT wrote in message... Seriously? That black day never saw a show, and then in 1995...? Too weird. Larry *********************** Let us remember it as the only day of rest Jerry had :'( ------------------------------ From: "Roxanne McDaniel" Subject: Re: Wake Up America! (ndc) Date: Sat, 08 Oct 2005 17:15:34 GMT Speaking of Mexico and San Diego.... My great aunt lives there (San Diego). She's one tough lady. She and her old man never had kids... on purpose. She's traveled the world and has lived alone for the past 10 years. Fought off cancer, twice. But now says she wants to move BACK to Ohio, because the border is making her nervous..... What?!?! Okay so she's almost 80... maybe she's just using it as an excuse. But really, anyone hear anything? Other than the same ole? ------------------------------ From: "Roxanne McDaniel" Subject: Re: Got Organic Milk? Date: Sat, 08 Oct 2005 17:21:47 GMT "walstib77" wrote in message Joe wrote: > jUST MAKE SURE YOUR MILK DOESN'T HAVE RBST Or RBGH. But how can you? The Fed makes it illegal to say you don't. Think there's a reason? I think it's criminal that we are, by law, prevented from knowing if there are hormones in our milk, if the animals in the food chain are loaded with antibiotics, or if the vegetables we eatr are genetically modified. The fact that the Democrats don't grab this issue and run it up the flag pole and watch the GOP fall into a corporate protective mode only shows me that, since Reagan defanged the unions, the Dems are clammoring for corporate cash as hard as the Repukes are. *********************** HRYK ------------------------------ From: "Roxanne McDaniel" Subject: Re: Cream at Royal Albert Hall Date: Sat, 08 Oct 2005 17:24:58 GMT "Spider Dawg" <> wrote in message ... Bands are like women: no matter how hot you think they are, somewhere somebody is sick of their shit. ************************ Now there's our logo for the RMGD shirt. BTW, you get laid on a regular basis? :'0 ------------------------------ From: "dyrewlf" Subject: Re: My 10-6-2005 New Riders of the Purple Sage experience. Date: Sat, 08 Oct 2005 17:33:56 GMT "ba ba booie" wrote in message news:9570-4347F260-597@storefull-3278.bay.webtv.net... > My 10-6-2005 New Riders of the Purple Sage experience. > > > As we sat there I had to whip it out! > I just had to give it to her! > She was suprised? > But she took it anyway. Ya gotta love this in a girl.Like you said many girls just won't try anything. ------------------------------ From: "Roxanne McDaniel" Subject: Got Help? (ndc) Date: Sat, 08 Oct 2005 17:33:35 GMT Got a new on from my cousin in Mississippi.... ************************************************ What I have seen since Katrina WHAT MY EYES HAVE SEEN IN MISSISSIPPI AND NEW ORLEANS, AND WHAT MY EYES HAVE NOT SEEN... A MISSISSIPIAN SPEAKS OUT FROM A. McCOMB, MISSiSSIPPI RESIDENT To my friends and family: (From a McComb Resident) What I have seen since Katrina: The poor and the wealthy hurt by the storm. Black, white, Hispanic, Oriental and Indian all hurt by the storm. Christian people giving, giving, giving. Churches going all out to minister in Jesus' name Neighbors going door to door helping one another. Thugs and hoodlums going door to door looking for someone vulnerable. Ice and water being fought over as police tried to keep the peace. People coming up from New Orleans taking over empty houses because shelters are full. Out of town volunteers coming with food and staying for now a week still serving it. The Churches all over this part of the country doing what Christians do in a crisis. The Red Cross doing a great job in the shelters. The Salvation Army doing an even better job in the community. Four Hundred crewmen from everywhere bring back the power to our homes, churches and businesses. Lines at service stations a block to a mile long. National Guardsman patrolling the streets of McComb along with Kentucky policemen protecting us from the hoodlums and thugs of McComb, Pike County and New Orleans (the most dangerous city in the world before Katrina.) Drug dealers working outside shelters. Doctors, nurses and other hospital personnel working tirelessly, even sleeping in the hospital to do the job God called them to do. WHAT I HAVE NOT SEEN The ACLU setting up a feeding line. People from the American Way helping in the shelters. The NAACP doing any work whatsoever. The American Atheist organization serving meals in the shelters. Jesse Jackson directing traffic at the gas stations. I could go on but you get my message. It's the Christian people with love and compassion who do the work. The gripers in Congress should come on down and get in line to pass the water and the ice. Are you listening Hillary, Chuck, Teddy and all the sorry loafers we call Senators and Congressmen. They don't have a clue as to what this life is all about here on the Gulf Coast. Boy do I feel better now. ------------------------------ From: "AirtimeJunkie" Subject: Anyone get tickets for Phil at Bimbo's? Date: 8 Oct 2005 10:39:51 -0700 I did! They sold out in about 2-3 minutes, if even that long. Should be a fun show! K ------------------------------ From: Ken Fortenberry Subject: Re: Got Help? (ndc) Date: Sat, 08 Oct 2005 17:40:50 GMT Roxanne McDaniel wrote: > G 2000 ot a new on from my cousin in Mississippi.... > Your cousin sounds like an idiot. The ACLU and the NAACP are not disaster recovery organizations. -- Ken Fortenberry ------------------------------ From: "Roxanne McDaniel" Subject: Re: Got Help? (ndc) Date: Sat, 08 Oct 2005 17:47:50 GMT "Ken Fortenberry" > wrote in message ... Roxanne McDaniel wrote: > Got a new on from my cousin in Mississippi.... > Your cousin sounds like an idiot. The ACLU and the NAACP are not disaster recovery organizations. -- Ken Fortenberry ********************* My cousin didn't write it. Sorry if it came off as so. She is a nurse who resides in Miss (what's their abbrev?) and was just forwarding on the latest news that circulating among folks in the south. Like it or not, there are southern whites who believe the Katrina vicitims should have it all together by now. They STILL see "them" as freeloaders. ------------------------------ From: joker4153@comcast.net Subject: Re: Got Help? (ndc) Date: 8 Oct 2005 10:50:48 -0700 More right-wing, christian claptrap. Has she seen the Heritage Foundation setting up soup kitchens? Is the Hoover Institute down there shoveling mud and debris? What about Tom Delay's various PACs, are they handing out checks to poor people? Is Focus On the Family opening up it's members houses to poor families? Here's a fat clue for the clueless fuck who wrote this: the poor and the wealthy did not suffer the same fates when Katrina hit. Whoever wrote this is just another political shithead. Odds are, they don't even live there, but just made this shit up. Larry ------------------------------ From: ba_ba_b00ie@webtv.net (ba ba booie) Subject: Re: My 10-6-2005 New Riders of the Purple Sage experience. Date: Sat, 8 Oct 2005 13:47:08 -0400 My 10-6-2005 New Riders of the Purple Sage experience. joker4153@comcast.net Damn! Willie Nelson AND Buddy Guy playing with NRPS!!! Will the Booie-wonders never cease?!!? You rock, dude! bbb wrote: I meant to say, Buddy Cage and David Nelson. The euphoria of getting in and all made me all disoriented! we all make mistakes ; ) booie........ .. .. Have you checked these sites out today? http://www.jambase.com http://www.jambands.com http://www.jambase.com/festivals .. Find out where your favorite band is playing. Pollstar (The concert hotwire) http://www.pollstar.com ------------------------------ From: "Roxanne McDaniel" Subject: Rescuing Jesus (ndc) Date: Sat, 08 Oct 2005 18:06:12 GMT Rescuing Jesus Bush & Co. have hijacked Jesus, using him as the poster child for their callous worldview. It's time to rescue Christ from his kidnappers. By Alessandro Camon Oct. 7, 2005 | Harriet Miers, should she be confirmed to the Supreme Court, will be the resident evangelical Christian. She shares her religious background with George W. Bush, whose claim to have chosen her based on "knowing her heart" has as much to do with the born-again faith he shares with her as with her long service in his inner circle. This choice might have left secular conservatives perplexed or downright dissatisfied, but is an obvious crowd-pleaser with the Christian right. Above all, it reflects the importance of Christianity for Bush, widely described as the most devout president in history. But as we brace for more battles over abortion rights, gay marriage, stem cell research and so forth, it's time for ask just how Christian the supposedly pious Bush administration really is. Because what happened in New Orleans, and what has been happening in Iraq, raises serious questions about whether Bush & Co. deserve to be called Christian at all. Natural disasters are often labeled "acts of God." Those who take the expression literally may think that God is punishing our sins (a belief shared by some Christians with those Muslims who think Katrina is Allah's reprisal), or they may struggle to reconcile the idea of an infinitely good God with the devastation he brings upon us. But you don't have to take the expression literally to feel that natural disasters call into question the meaning of life. They cut us down to size, and challenge us to rise up again. They make us mourn for the dead and reach out for the survivors. If we do believe in God, even just a little bit, they are a true test of our faith, and an opportunity to do what we preach: to give, to comfort, to assist. Wars are acts of man, yet all too often are fought for a "holy" cause, painted as deeds of "infinite justice" or "crusades" of good vs. evil. But i t's when we look at the victims that faith is truly tested. A religious person will have the chance to show all his horror, regret, compassion, forgiveness. In war, many parents will lose their children, a sacrifice so profound that it is more than a human being can be expected to bear; a sacrifice that is, in fact, made by God -- the Christian one -- and proof of godliness. (In one of the harshest and most controversial biblical tales, Abraham is ready to sacrifice his son before God, as he believes God asked him to do, but God stops him before he goes through with it. However one wants to interpret the tale -- whether it's about obedience or misunderstanding -- the point is, God doesn't actually want to impose on a parent the loss of a child.) To those who suffer such a loss, we have a chance -- and an obligation -- to offer utmost solidarity. The administration's lethargic and callous response to the call after Hurricane Katrina, just like the president's cold-heartedness toward Cindy Sheehan, suggests that the people who govern us are as willing to invoke Jesus as their guide, their inspiration, even their "favorite philosopher," as they are firmly unwilling to behave anything like Jesus. "What would Jesus do?" has been a favorite slogan of the Christian right. It's a rhetorical question, meant to display lofty concerns and stake the high ground. It's not meant to be answered; in fact it's usually not even asked in relation to the things Jesus cared about. It's time to put that question to better use. Should a nation rush into an unprovoked war whose justification is weak at best, and fraudulent at worst? What would Jesus do? A mother mourning the death of her son in that war asks for a chance to speak to the president about her grief, and to have her questions answered. What would Jesus do? Thousands of men, women and children are left behind in the flood with no food, drinkable water or medical aid. What would Jesus do? Would Jesus rush to war, or neglect to interrupt his vacation to meet the mother of a dead soldier, or abandon the people of a ravaged city? Would he promote tax breaks for the rich, undercut education, support the death penalty? The answers are painfully easy. We know what Jesus would do, because he did do it, or talked about it in no uncertain terms. Jesus was for peace, for the poor, for the afflicted, for the children, and against the death penalty -- of which he was a victim. Anybody who denies this, or who argues that it's possible to be a good Christian without adhering to these basic positions, is basically betraying Christ. We could ask some harder questions. Would Jesus really frown upon homosexuality? Would he seek to prolong life at all cost, even when in the form of a persistent vegetative state? Here many believe the answers are in the affirmative, or at least much more uncertain. But homosexuality existed in Jesus' times. And what Jesus had to say about it was, in one word, nothing. Unlike poverty, it just wasn't a concern. As far as pulling the plug, being a Christian means to believe that life doesn't end with the physical death of this body, on this earth. That's when a far better, everlasting life begins. (The one legitimately complex issue is abortion, and one can see a case for Jesus being generally against it; still, it is not something he directly spoke about. The American Ch 2000 ristian right has hijacked Jesus Christ. It has made him into a brand, a logo, a bumper sticker. It celebrates his suffering on the cross, but largely neglects what he had to say. It prefers an Old Testament God, a "Jealous God, visiting the sins of the fathers upon the children." It elevates success to proof of God's favor, and washes its hands of responsibility for the poor. It combines a self-righteous vision of Americans as the chosen people with shrill intimations of imminent apocalypse, to justify indifference to the rest of the world and to the planet itself. It sticks to the letter of the Bible with arbitrary selectiveness, so that it can endorse creationism and condemn homosexuality while acknowledging that (contrary to Old Testament wisdom) the earth is in fact round, and slavery is not OK. It's a twisted, schizophrenic form of religion that mirrors the most reactionary form of Islam. (Not by chance, both the Christian right and conservative Muslims are at odds with women's rights, and fiercely homophobic.) A lot can be said about the theological fallacies and over-simplifications of the Christian right. Take the way it reads the Commandments. What, for example, does "not to take the Lord's name in vain" mean? Is it a prohibition against using the word "God" in casual conversation? Or does it forbid Christians from going to war in the name of God? And what about "love thy neighbor"? Does it refer to the guy next door, who shares our tax bracket? Or is it about all of our fellow humans, whether similar or different? In fact, is it not an exhortation to love precisely those who are different? Most important, though, is how Christians actually relate to Christ. Jesus was a poor man. He started a movement of the poor, for the poor. This isn't socialist revisionism: This is what the Gospels say. Jesus defied authority, and spread a message of hope, tolerance, inclusion. He said: Lay not up for yourselves treasures upon earth, where moth and rust doth corrupt, and where thieves break through and steal ... For where your treasure is, there will your heart be also. He also said: Blessed are the peacemakers: for they shall be called the children of God. Moreover: You have heard that it was said, "An eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth. But I say to you, do not resist one who is evil. But if anyone strikes you on the right cheek, turn to him the other also." And of course, he said: I was hungry and you gave me food, I was thirsty and you gave me drink, I was a stranger and you welcomed me, I was naked and you clothed me, I was sick and you visited me, I was in prison and you came to me. (...) Truly, I say to you, as you did it to one of the least of my brothers, you did it to me. Does this sound like the voice inspiring this administration? Or the voice they go out of their way to ignore? Last month, President Bush said that Hurricane Katrina exposed the problem of persistent poverty in this country. But why did the problem need to be exposed in order to warrant his concern? Was the president not aware of it before? And what about poverty in the rest of the world -- a problem that the Bush administration stubbornly refuses to make a priority, which in fact its policies greatly exacerbate? To hold a president (or a justice) up to such a high standard as the teachings of Jesus would be unfair, if it weren't the president himself who claimed to act in Jesus' name. It's time for Bush, the Republican Party and the Christian right to be confronted with their failings as Christians. If there is a worthy measure of anybody's religious commitment, it has to be how it's expressed in action. It's not how you talk the talk that makes you a true Christian. It's the deeds you do -- and those you don't. Liberals have let the right claim Jesus for themselves. But the legacy of Christ is far too precious to be left in the hands of the hypocrites who use it to justify war, bigotry and injustice. It is time to reclaim Jesus -- not to start another religious party, but to free him from the one that's hogging him as their poster child. It's time not just to ask "what would Jesus do?" but to actually listen to the answer. It's about poverty. It's about peace. No true Christian can have anything more important in mind. ------------------------------ From: "Bill" Subject: Re: Watchya Listenin' To Lately? Date: Sat, 08 Oct 2005 18:08:28 GMT As I wrote on another post, I listened to some good Playins (9-21-72, 11-13-72, and 12-11-72, and Sept '74) last night. Then I put on DP 12 (6-28-74) - the amazing 51 minute Let It Grow > long jam > US Blues musical segment. I'm convinced that musical segment is the highest peak reached in the '72 - '74 period. I know that's saying a lot but it has everything - in terms of tempo, sound effects, moods, themes - and on it, Garcia is a gushing fountain of brilliant musical ideas that never gets turned off. I don't know of any other segment in those years in which such continuous brilliance by the Grateful Dead lasts for that long (40 minutes not counting the vocals in Let It Grow and US Blues). There's so many parts to it and every part works so well. A true masterpiece that triumphs over even Live Dead and 5-2-70 and anything else I can think of. Next was the first 10 minutes or so from a Stravinsky's Rite of Spring CD - a 1968 concert by the Chicago Symphony, conducted by Seiji Ozawa. That first 15 minutes or so of the CD is amazing music and an amazing composition played excellently by that symphony. It's all good but I especially like the first 15 minutes or so. It's not all that different from one of those killer '74 Playins in that there's so much happening simultaneously - and it all fits together perfectly. It's the exact same version that's the first song on Yes's live album called Yessongs - they used to play it before every concert (maybe they still do). That's where I first heard it and got the CD shortly after hearing it on Yessongs. Finished the music off with Bob Wills and the Texas Playboys (Volume 1 of the 8 volume Tiffany Transcription series). Outstanding '74 Dead > Stravinsky > Bob Wills is the perfect combination. The quality of the playin by every musician on that Bob Wills CD is outstanding. And the sound quality of each of the many instruments on it (including a great steel pedal guitar) is also outstanding (the story behind the Bob Wills Tiffany series is pretty interesting - somewhat similar to the DP series). If you like killer Western Swing (if you don't, you probably have never heard it), I highly recommend that Bob Wills and the Texas Playboys CD (and everything else mentioned above). Bill ------------------------------ From: "Richard Morris" Subject: Re: Got Help? (ndc) Date: Sat, 8 Oct 2005 11:15:16 -0700 "Roxanne McDaniel" wrote in message news:PpT1f.757$HA.306@newssvr22.news.prodigy.net... > Got a new on from my cousin in Mississippi.... > ************************************************ right-wing fundamentalist rant snipped > I could go on but you get my message. It's the Christian people with love > and compassion who do the work. Bullshit. I have a school full of kids, 2800 strong, who have been fundraising amongst themselves for hurrican relief and other causes (like breast cancer awareness and research). Well guess what ... they ain't all Christians. And it ain't just Christians who do stuff, and their are Christians who sit on their asses and do nothing. To state that only Christians have charitable souls is an insult to the Muslims, Sikhs, Buddhists, etc. etc. etc., not to mention those who decline to wear their religious preference on their sleeve and spout it for all the world to see, who serve the community in various ways. Not to mention all the tax dollars that are going to come from everyone, all walks of life. > The gripers in Congress should come on down and get in line to 16c4 pass the > water and the ice. Are you listening Hillary, Chuck, Teddy and all the > sorry loafers we call Senators and Congressmen. They don't have a clue as > to what this life is all about here on the Gulf Coast. > > > Boy do I feel better now. Yep, nothing like a bigoted rant to make an asshole feel good. R. ------------------------------ From: "Richard Morris" Subject: Re: Got Organic Milk? Date: Sat, 8 Oct 2005 11:17:29 -0700 "Roxanne McDaniel" wrote in message news:LeT1f.752$HA.561@newssvr22.news.prodigy.net... > > "walstib77" wrote in message > > Joe wrote: >> jUST MAKE SURE YOUR MILK DOESN'T HAVE RBST > > Or RBGH. > > But how can you? The Fed makes it illegal to say you don't. > > Think there's a reason? > > I think it's criminal that we are, by law, prevented from knowing if > there are hormones in our milk, if the animals in the food chain are > loaded with antibiotics, or if the vegetables we eatr are genetically > modified. > > The fact that the Democrats don't grab this issue and run it up the > flag pole and watch the GOP fall into a corporate protective mode only > shows me that, since Reagan defanged the unions, the Dems are > clammoring for corporate cash as hard as the Repukes are. > *********************** Fascinating that for some, what the democrats *aren't* doing is of greater significance than the shit that the republicans *are* doing. Go figure. ------------------------------ From: "Richard Morris" Subject: Re: My 10-6-2005 New Riders of the Purple Sage experience. Date: Sat, 8 Oct 2005 11:18:34 -0700 "ba ba booie" wrote in message news:9570-4347F260-597@storefull-3278.bay.webtv.net... > My 10-6-2005 New Riders of the Purple Sage experience. Booie, email me about the minidiscs, please. Richard ------------------------------ From: "augustwestern" Subject: Re: Got Help? (ndc) Date: Sat, 8 Oct 2005 11:29:16 -0700 "Roxanne McDaniel" wrote in message news:PpT1f.757$HA.306@newssvr22.news.prodigy.net... > Got a new on from my cousin in Mississippi.... > ************************************************ > > What I have seen since Katrina > > WHAT MY EYES HAVE SEEN IN MISSISSIPPI AND NEW ORLEANS, > AND WHAT MY EYES HAVE NOT SEEN... > A MISSISSIPIAN SPEAKS OUT > > FROM A. McCOMB, MISSiSSIPPI RESIDENT > > To my friends and family: (From a McComb Resident) > > What I have seen since Katrina: > > > The poor and the wealthy hurt by the storm. > > Black, white, Hispanic, Oriental and Indian all hurt by the storm. > > Christian people giving, giving, giving. > > Churches going all out to minister in Jesus' name > > Neighbors going door to door helping one another. > > Thugs and hoodlums going door to door looking for someone vulnerable. > > Ice and water being fought over as police tried to keep the peace. > > People coming up from New Orleans taking over empty houses because shelters > are full. > > Out of town volunteers coming with food and staying for now a week still > serving it. > > The Churches all over this part of the country doing what Christians do in a > crisis. > > The Red Cross doing a great job in the shelters. > > The Salvation Army doing an even better job in the community. > > Four Hundred crewmen from everywhere bring back the power to our homes, > churches and businesses. > > Lines at service stations a block to a mile long. > > National Guardsman patrolling the streets of McComb along with Kentucky > policemen protecting us from the hoodlums and thugs of McComb, Pike County > and New Orleans (the most dangerous city in the world before Katrina.) > > Drug dealers working outside shelters. > > Doctors, nurses and other hospital personnel working tirelessly, even > sleeping in the hospital to do the job God called them to do. > > > WHAT I HAVE NOT SEEN > > The ACLU setting up a feeding line. > > People from the American Way helping in the shelters. > > The NAACP doing any work whatsoever. > > The American Atheist organization serving meals in the shelters. > > Jesse Jackson directing traffic at the gas stations. > > I could go on but you get my message. It's the Christian people with love > and compassion who do the work. > > The gripers in Congress should come on down and get in line to pass the > water and the ice. Are you listening Hillary, Chuck, Teddy and all the > sorry loafers we call Senators and Congressmen. They don't have a clue as > to what this life is all about here on the Gulf Coast. > > > Boy do I feel better now. > > Don't worry, everyone is going to make out like bandits for their neo-Fristian relief efforts. http://www.cnn.com/2005/US/09/27/fema.religious.reut/index.html?section=cnn_ latest I doubt Christ filed for government reimbursement after he fed the multitudes with loaves and fish. ------------------------------ ** FOR YOUR REFERENCE ** The service addresses, to which questions about the list itself and requests to be added to or deleted from it should be directed, are as follows: Internet: dead-flames-request@gdead.berkeley.edu Bitnet: dead-flames-request%gdead.berkeley.edu@ucbcmsa Uucp: ...!{ucbvax,uunet}!gdead.berkeley.edu!dead-flames-request You can send mail to the entire list (and rec.music.gdead) via one of these addresses: Internet: dead-flames@gdead.berkeley.edu Bitnet: dead-flames%gdead.berkeley.edu@ucbcmsa Uucp: ...!{ucbvax,uunet}!gdead.berkeley.edu!dead-flames End of Dead-Flames Digest ****************************** . 0