2000 From: Digestifier To: Subject: Dead-Flames Digest #646 Dead-Flames Digest #646, Volume #48 Sat, 22 Oct 05 15:00:01 PDT Contents: Re: The best stoner movie (NDC) ("Dylanstubs") Re: The best stoner movie (NDC) ("scarletbgonias@hotmail.com") Re: drug tests for jobs (NDC) ("Effty") Re: The best stoner movie (NDC) ("scarletbgonias@hotmail.com") Re: what should the United States do with combatants who don't belong to regular armies? ("Ray") Re: drug tests for jobs (NDC) ("scarletbgonias@hotmail.com") Re: Jefferson Starship show? (Joe) who buys this? ("Sparky the Wonder Dog") Re: who buys this? ("scarletbgonias@hotmail.com") Re: who buys this? ("scarletbgonias@hotmail.com") Re: who buys this? ("k sturm") ANyone now why The Dead didn't tour last Spring or Summer? ("Joe Covino") Re: ANyone now why The Dead didn't tour last Spring or Summer? ("scarletbgonias@hotmail.com") Re: what should the United States do with combatants who don't belong to regular armies? ("Sparky the Wonder Dog") Re: ANyone now why The Dead didn't tour last Spring or Summer? ("Richard Morris") ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Dylanstubs" Subject: Re: The best stoner movie (NDC) Date: 22 Oct 2005 14:06:40 -0700 I think Kesey once cited 2001 A Space Odyssey as being a great acid movie. ------------------------------ From: "scarletbgonias@hotmail.com" Subject: Re: The best stoner movie (NDC) Date: 22 Oct 2005 14:09:33 -0700 I know you are but what am I? Everyone's got a big "but". Let's talk about your big "but". So much funny stuff in that movie. Theresa ------------------------------ From: "Effty" Subject: Re: drug tests for jobs (NDC) Date: 22 Oct 2005 14:16:43 -0700 bill.robinette@gmail.com wrote: > Effty wrote: > > Work to live, or live to work? > > > > This whole thread really highlights a problem unique to our modern > > society. Why do we tolerate employers owning the biggest portions of > > our souls? > > > > I wonder where these employers will lead us in the end. As long as > > it's profitable for them I'm sure it will be okay. > > I'll gladly trade pot for $75k+ in salary, 3 weeks vacation, paid > training, good health insurance and the decreased lung cancer risk. > > YMMV So would I. I wish it were that simple. ------------------------------ From: "scarletbgonias@hotmail.com" Subject: Re: The best stoner movie (NDC) Date: 22 Oct 2005 14:16:57 -0700 Clerks The Blues Brothers Road Trip (especially when the dog talks). Also, cruising my collection I just noticed one I never watched: Lost in Translation. Maybe I'll plunk that one in and watch between '73 downloads. Theresa ------------------------------ From: "Ray" Subject: Re: what should the United States do with combatants who don't belong to regular armies? Date: 22 Oct 2005 14:20:30 -0700 Sparky the Wonder Dog wrote: > Ray, Islamic fundamentalism is itself not a trivial problem for Israel > locally and America apart from its ties to Israel. Sparky, I am well aware of this. However I fail to see what this, as well as the rest of your post here, has to do with my previous post that you are replying to here. I that post I was responding to your query about whether Chris Kerressey really adovcates for genocide against Palestinians if they did't evacuate the West Bank and Gaza in two days' time. He does, and the post that I cited demonstrates as much. > And Jewish > fundamentalism is not calling the shots in Israel. Yes and no. Until recently, the fundamentalist settler movement in Israel had been very effective at advancing their pro-settlement agenda, which is still moving forward in the West Bank. Sharon's decision to withdrawel from the Gaza Strip is of course a set-back for them, but then Sharon is even as we speak rapidly expanding settlements in the West Bank, particularly around Jerusulem. In July alone, Israel seized more land in the West Bank than it surrendered in Gaza.[1] > Neither Palestinian > nor Israeli culture and society can, of course, be separated from > competing claqims that are in large measure religious. Agreed. > But no, I don't > think Israel can win a "holy war" against the entire Arab Islamic > world. And I didn't ask if or imply that you did think that. Chris however obviously thinks that (at least via a holy US/Israel/God alliance) - but then Chris is a Christian Holy Warrior. > Then again, I don't think we can go from this or that holy text > to believing we know either G-d's inscrutable will or G-d is going to > offer support for wars launched to carry out His will. Sharon is > continuing a long-standing Israeli policy of defining and defending the > historical centers of modern Zionist settlement while attempting to > "leap-frog" hostile neighbors and build alliances. Even this is a very > hard strategy to accomplish and parts of it have been condemned around > the world, let alone expelling the Palestinian population. Sharon is currently going for a West Bank land grab, under the cover of the Gaza withdrawal.[1] Ray _______________________ [1] "Building like maniacs" Israel is redrawing its borders inside Palestinian territories to secure all of Jerusalem and put the issue beyond negotiation. By Chris McGreal Oct. 18, 2005 | JERUSALEM -- At the northern edge of Jerusalem, on the main road to the Palestinian city of Ramallah, three towering concrete walls are converging around a rapidly built maze of cages, turnstiles and bombproof rooms. When construction at Qalandiya is completed in the coming weeks, the remaining gaps in the 26-foot (eight-meter) walls will close and those still permitted to travel between the two cities will be channeled through a warren of identity and security checks reminiscent of an international frontier. The Israeli military built the crossing without fanfare over recent months, along with other similar posts along the length of the vast new "security barrier" that is enveloping Jerusalem, while the world's attention was focused on Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon's removal of Jewish settlers from the Gaza Strip. But these de facto border posts are just one element in a web of construction evidently intended to redraw Israel's borders deep inside the Palestinian territories and secure all of Jerusalem as Israel's capital, and to do it fast so as to put the whole issue beyond negotiation. As foreign leaders, including Tony Blair, praised Sharon for his "courage" in pulling out of Gaza last month, Israel was accelerating construction of the West Bank barrier, expropriating more land in the West Bank than it was surrendering in Gaza, and building thousands of new homes in Jewish settlements. "It's a trade-off: the Gaza Strip for the settlement blocks; the Gaza Strip for Palestinian land; the Gaza Strip for unilaterally imposing borders," said Dror Etkes, director of the Israeli organization Settlement Watch. "They don't know how long they've got. That's why they're building like maniacs." At the core of the strategy is the 420-mile West Bank barrier, which many Israeli politicians regard as marking out a future border. Its route carves out large areas for expansion of the main Jewish settlements of Ariel, Maale Adumim and Gush Etzion, and expropriates swaths of Palestinian land by separating it from its owners. In parallel, new building on Jewish settlements during the first quarter of this year rose by 83 percent over the same period in 2004. About 4,000 homes are under construction in Israel's West Bank colonies, with thousands more homes approved in the Ariel and Maale Adumim blocks, which penetrate deep into the occupied territories. The total number of settlers has risen again this year -- with an estimated 14,000 movin 2000 g to the West Bank, compared with 8,500 forced to leave Gaza. Israel is also continuing to expand the amount of territory it intends to retain. In July alone, it seized more land in the West Bank than it surrendered in Gaza: It withdrew from about 19 square miles of territory while sealing off 23 square miles of the West Bank around Maale Adumim. Israel's strategy is to "strengthen the control over areas which will constitute an inseparable part of the state of Israel," the prime minister said after the Gaza pullout. Last month, he told a meeting of his Likud Party allies that it was important to expand the settlements without drawing the world's attention. "There's no need to talk. We need to build, and we're building without talking," he said. A few days later, one of the prime minister's senior advisors, Eyal Arad, publicly advocated "a strategy of unilaterally determining the permanent borders of the state of Israel." The greatest impact of recent Israeli actions has been in and around Jerusalem, as Israel stepped up construction of the wall along the most controversial part of its route. "What we are seeing is an acceleration of construction of the barrier," said David Shearer, head of the United Nations' Office for the Coordination of Humanitarian Affairs in Jerusalem. "Because of the barrier, Jerusalem is being sealed off from the rest of the West Bank. Movement in Jerusalem will be with a magnetic card and a sophisticated system of gates. The access the Palestinians have enjoyed to their places of worship, to some of the best schools, to hospitals, is now going to be severely restricted." The concrete wall through Jerusalem carves out Arab enclaves in the city, restricts the growth of non-Jewish neighborhoods and separates some 200,000 Palestinian residents from the occupied territories. East Jerusalem will be further isolated from the rest of the West Bank by moves to link the city with the Maale Adumim settlement, using the barrier to mark out a boundary. The effect will be to entirely surround the Arab areas of Jerusalem with large Jewish neighborhoods and to push Israel's frontier almost halfway across the West Bank, virtually severing the north and south of the Palestinian territory at its narrowest point. Organizations such as the International Crisis Group say it could have potentially explosive consequences. "Current policies in and around the city will vastly complicate, and perhaps doom, future attempts to resolve the conflict by both preventing the establishment of a viable Palestinian capital in Arab East Jerusalem and obstructing the territorial contiguity of a Palestinian state," it said in a recent report. "The measures currently being implemented are at war with any viable two-state solution and will not bolster Israel's safety; in fact, they will undermine it, weakening Palestinian pragmatists, incorporating hundreds of thousands of Palestinians on the Israeli side of the fence, and sowing the seeds of growing radicalization." In recent years, both sides have generally accepted that a negotiated agreement would leave the main settlement blocks close to Jerusalem in Israeli hands. Last year, President Bush wrote to Sharon assuring him that Israel would not be expected to return to the 1967 borders "in light of new realities on the ground, including already existing major Israeli population centers." But Daniel Seidemann, an Israeli lawyer fighting legal cases over the barrier, said the government has worked to make those realities on the ground as extensive as possible while foreign governments shied away from criticism of Sharon for fear of jeopardizing the Gaza pullout. "It's clear what's happening. It's clear the wall is used to designate the border that Sharon thinks he can get with the Americans," he said. Sharon appears to be counting on continued silence from America and European capitals because he faces a general election next year that Washington would like to see him win over his main challenger on the far right, Benjamin Netanyahu. The Palestinian leadership believes Sharon has little incentive to negotiate because the Palestinians will not agree to surrender their claim to East Jerusalem or the large areas of land he wants to annex. But Yossi Beilin, a former Israeli cabinet minister and a peace negotiator, said that a lack of pressure from Washington and other members of the quartet overseeing the "road map" peace plan leaves Sharon free to redraw Israel's borders. "The commitment to the road map is a big joke. It's hot air all the time," Beilin said. "I'm very pessimistic. I see the big gap between the speeches -- how high the road map is on the agenda and how foreign governments say they have to deal with it -- and nothing is happening on the ground. Nothing. Sharon just does what he wants." --- http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2005/10/18/israel_barrier/index.html ------------------------------ From: "scarletbgonias@hotmail.com" Subject: Re: drug tests for jobs (NDC) Date: 22 Oct 2005 14:22:01 -0700 I had to take a drug test, not for work, but for life insurance. I told my agent (who is a Deadhead) that I thought I'd fail because I had just recently seen a show and I smoked. He said not to worry. The insurance lab technician then came to my job, gave me a specimen container and asked for a sample. I totted off to the ladies room while she stayed at the security desk. Passed with flying colors. When they called with the results, I asked what they were looking for and they said cocaine or any of the hard stuff. Minimum levels of pot was not a problem to them. Theresa ------------------------------ From: Joe Subject: Re: Jefferson Starship show? Date: 22 Oct 2005 21:24:15 GMT Dave Kelly wrote: > a 90 minute set at 3pm You gonna be there? You wanna meet Geraldine? Joe ------------------------------ From: "Sparky the Wonder Dog" Subject: who buys this? Date: 22 Oct 2005 14:25:11 -0700 Just got a copy of the Grateful Dead Almanac in the mail--and the back pages 10 through 15 are full of GD ... merchanidse. I knew GDM put out this stuff but didn't check out the web merch listings--who knew? I see ties and lounge pants and organic and hemp blend women's shirts (not to mention gorgeous durable, comfry silk shirts), ski caps, t-shirts of course, cotton throws, very nice, a 40th Anniversary Bus Cookie Jar, dancing bear night light and switch plate, well just too many offerings to list, though imho the lightning bolt golf glove and bar stool are standouts. Does anybody buy any of this? ------------------------------ From: "scarletbgonias@hotmail.com" Subject: Re: who buys this? Date: 22 Oct 2005 14:27:02 -0700 Yeah, I'm a sucker. Bought a multi color dancing bear license plate holder for the VW. Nice!!!! Have a Grateful Day.... ------------------------------ From: "scarletbgonias@hotmail.com" Subject: Re: who buys this? Date: 22 Oct 2005 14:30:20 -0700 Oh, also have their series of fridge magnets for sentences which are pretty cool. Kind of like Magnetic Poetry for Deadheads. Theresa ------------------------------ From: "k sturm" Subject: Re: who buys this? Date: Sat, 22 Oct 2005 21:39:31 GMT "Sparky the Wonder Dog" wrote in message news:1130016311.630184.95880@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com... > Just got a copy of the Grateful Dead Almanac in the mail--and the back > pages 10 through 15 are full of GD ... merchanidse. I knew GDM put out > this stuff but didn't check out the web merch listings--who knew? I see > ties and lounge pants and organic and hemp blend women's shirts (not to > mention gorgeous durable, comfry silk shirts), ski caps, t-shirts of > course, cotton throws, very nice, a 40th Anniversary Bus Cookie Jar, > dancing bear night light and switch plate, well just too many of 1aaa ferings > to list, though imho the lightning bolt golf glove and bar stool are > standouts. > > Does anybody buy any of this? > I've bought a few things from there. Nothing too expensive - a few shirts, tie dyed socks, a coffee mug for a friend, etc. They do have some nice things. k~ ------------------------------ From: "Joe Covino" Subject: ANyone now why The Dead didn't tour last Spring or Summer? Date: Sat, 22 Oct 2005 17:45:26 -0400 I caught them the previous two years - Mansfield, MA & Hartford, CT - and I was hoping to see them again. Thanks. ------------------------------ From: "scarletbgonias@hotmail.com" Subject: Re: ANyone now why The Dead didn't tour last Spring or Summer? Date: 22 Oct 2005 14:48:01 -0700 Phil was moving his kid into college this summer. ------------------------------ From: "Sparky the Wonder Dog" Subject: Re: what should the United States do with combatants who don't belong to regular armies? Date: 22 Oct 2005 14:54:39 -0700 Ray, my comment on holy war was directed to Chris, not you.. I don't myself consider settlement in the disputed terrritories as necessarily a "land grab." It depends on what land is being taken under what circumstances. I disagree with you if you think the Israeli majority primarily considers the West Bank as a free land issue. I spent a lot of time as an IDF inductee in basic training doing push ups on the West Bank and I didn't see any "belongs to" tags stapled to the earth. Without getting into a dispute about Israeli policy--my suggestion is that for a variety of reasons, religious, the conflicts history itself, there is a non-fundamentalist majority for retaining "large settlement blocks", including a belt around Jerusalem. Be aware, however, that this article is incorrect in saying that the United States government is doing nothing. Or that there is no brake in Israel. The Israel Supreme Court has rejected the International Court's position that all barrier construction and land confiscation across the Green Line is illegal. The Court is, however, monitoring the route and mking adjustments. The U.S. government (under GW) intervened at least twice that I know of to put Israeli plans on hold: a) Israel officials floated the government's intention to declare "Absentee Property" any property on the West Bank belonging to Palestinians who had become separated from their (private) land and holdings when the security barriers cut them off from access. b) When Israel announced plans to actively begin implementing plans to connect Maaleh Adumiim to Jeruslem via a continuous band of Jewish settlement and buildling the Bush Administration forced them to freeze these plans. Chris McGeal himself reported on this: ======== Israel freezes Jerusalem link project under US pressure Chris McGreal in Jerusalem Saturday September 3, 2005 The Guardian Israel says it has bowed to US demands and put on hold plans to build thousands of homes intended to link one of the largest Jewish settlements in the West Bank with Jerusalem. Ehud Olmert, the deputy prime minister, told the Jerusalem Post yesterday that the proposal to expand Maale Adumim, a settlement of about 30,000 Israelis, had been frozen. This followed US objections to construction projects that could pre-empt negotiations with the Palestinians on the future of Jerusalem and border issues. Mr Olmert added, however, that the government remained committed to incorporating the settlement into Jerusalem. "It is clear we will not do anything behind the Americans' backs," he said. "[But] it is absolutely clear that, at a certain point in the future, Israel will create continuity between Jerusalem and Maale Adumim, and so there is not even an argument that in the end we will have to build the project." In another article, drawing on information provided by a senior unnamed source close to Ariel Sharon, the Jerusalem Post reported that the prime minister intended to redraw Israel's borders to annex all the main settlement blocks, including Maale Adumim, as sovereign territory and to mark out a frontier with an emasculated Palestinian state along the route of the West Bank barrier now being built. The article said if Mr Sharon's vision were realised, tens of smaller settlements in the West Bank would have to go. But the large colonies housing 90% of the 400,000 Jews in the occupied territories would be annexed to Israel. The Palestinian planning minister, Ghassan Khatib, told Reuters news agency that the commitment to freeze construction between the settlement and Jerusalem "is a positive step if Israel sticks to it". But he added that unilaterally imposing borders instead of negotiating under the US-led road map to peace could provoke more violence. ============= In the face of Palestinian PR campaigns to state that there is no historical Jewish presence in Jeruslem and that the Temple never belonged there appeals for a divided Jeruslem do not personally move me. But I understand why the U.S. wants to prevent the isolation for Arab East Jerusalem from the Palestinian outlying communities turning into the fait accompli. this article warns against. My understanding is that the Bush administation neither favors this nor is, as the article infers, asleep at the switch. I do think it is American policy to prevent an exclusively Jewish salient stretching from Jerusalem to Maaleh Adumiim and beyond. ------------------------------ From: "Richard Morris" Subject: Re: ANyone now why The Dead didn't tour last Spring or Summer? Date: Sat, 22 Oct 2005 14:59:08 -0700 wrote in message news:1130017681.539756.216910@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com... > Phil was moving his kid into college this summer. > Last spring too ... the kid has a lot of stuff to move. ------------------------------ ** FOR YOUR REFERENCE ** The service addresses, to which questions about the list itself and requests to be added to or deleted from it should be directed, are as follows: Internet: dead-flames-request@gdead.berkeley.edu Bitnet: dead-flames-request%gdead.berkeley.edu@ucbcmsa Uucp: ...!{ucbvax,uunet}!gdead.berkeley.edu!dead-flames-request You can send mail to the entire list (and rec.music.gdead) via one of these addresses: Internet: dead-flames@gdead.berkeley.edu Bitnet: dead-flames%gdead.berkeley.edu@ucbcmsa Uucp: ...!{ucbvax,uunet}!gdead.berkeley.edu!dead-flames End of Dead-Flames Digest ****************************** . 0