2000 From: Digestifier To: Subject: Dead-Flames Digest #675 Dead-Flames Digest #675, Volume #48 Wed, 26 Oct 05 07:00:01 PDT Contents: Re: drug tests for jobs (NDC) ("Effty") Re: My 10-22-2005 Steve Kimock experience. ("Carlisle") New SKB SBD 10/22/05cm LMA ("Olompali4") Re: My 10-22-2005 Steve Kimock experience. (Jeff) Re: Why didn't yall tell me about 7-7-81???!!! (Seth Jackson) West must become smarter in use of force: general (NDC) ("band beyond description") Re: cheney = traitor (Seth Jackson) Re: New SKB SBD 10/22/05cm LMA ("frndthdevl") Cream Smoked ("DevsVult") Re: Cream Smoked ("Dave Kelly") Re: Cream Smoked ("DevsVult") Re: My 10-22-2005 Steve Kimock experience. (ba ba booie) Re: Hippie camo' dazes, confuses animals (BILL_NY@webtv.net) Re: My 10-22-2005 Steve Kimock experience. ("Nick's Picks") Re: My 10-22-2005 Steve Kimock experience. ("mjd") Re: Pssssst! (Dead Content) ("Dylanstubs") OK, They've Gone Too Far Now (NDC) ("scarletbgonias@hotmail.com") Re: White House Indictment vigil(NDC) ("Carlisle") Re: My 10-22-2005 Steve Kimock experience. ("Ed") India CDRs? ("Bzl.") Re: India CDRs? ("scarletbgonias@hotmail.com") Re: OK, They've Gone Too Far Now (NDC) (joker4153@comcast.net) ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Effty" Subject: Re: drug tests for jobs (NDC) Date: 25 Oct 2005 21:13:48 -0700 Brad Greer wrote: > On 24 Oct 2005 11:18:59 -0700, "Effty" > wrote: > > > > >Brad Greer wrote: > >> On 20 Oct 2005 22:36:28 -0700, "Effty" > >> wrote: > >> > >> >Work to live, or live to work? > >> > > >> >This whole thread really highlights a problem unique to our modern > >> >society. Why do we tolerate employers owning the biggest portions of > >> >our souls? > >> > > >> I don't know this is unique to modern society. Early generations had > >> slavery, indentured servants and feudal lords. > > > >All the same, it's not something we should aspire toward. Deferring > >the human element of life to something inhumane like a giant > >corporation is one way that we allow ourselves to be oppressed by the > >modern world. We should aspire to be more than the employee in cubicle > >Z. Likewise, employers should have more respect for their employees. > >The drug testing issue does not highlight this as well as the recent > >symptom of large companies ending benefits to retirees. Any which way, > >I've never seen an example of a large company suddenly INCREASING it's > >appreciation of it's employees. I won't hold my breath. > > I agree that we should aspire to more, but when someone says that > corporations "owning the biggest portions of our souls" is a modern > condition I think a little perspective is in order. Pissing into a > jar is lame, it's demeaning, it's an invasion of privacy. But things > have been worse in the past. > > There are some companies that value their employees. They are few and > far between, especially when you talk about larger companies, but they > are out there. Good point. I was more or less just thinking of recent American history. The 1950's through the 1980's. The days of pension plans, and company picnics. I'm leaving out the "90's dot com" mentality of companies providing spas and snowboard passes to employees. Aside from those, I always thought that there were some companies in the American landscape that were ...like respectable. These days I am not so sure. Perhaps I just don't have a very good grasp on the new economy, but nothing seems sacred anymore. I'll have to give it some more thought. ------------------------------ From: "Carlisle" Subject: Re: My 10-22-2005 Steve Kimock experience. Date: 25 Oct 2005 21:17:18 -0700 > > I hear there is snow up there in them hills. Any truth to this? > Do I gotta pack my mittens? > I need to get new tires before my trip. > > That was my > 10-22-2005 Steve Kimock experience. > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > A couple of booie experiences worth mentioning: > > I love beer! > > I love potato skins! > > I love my sushi! > > I love my doobies! > > I love EUDEMONIC!!! > > I love my birds. > > I like this configuration of the SKB. > They are a well blended group of musicans. > > Steve did a song by Traffic in the second set? What song was that? > > My recording came out great! > > The booie mobile made it there and back. > 353,000 and still rolling. > > I gotta find out more about this > Nomad Jukebox 3 > A whole > weekend of Kimock shows coming up, I think I am excited. : ) > > > That is all for now. > Talk to ya soon. > > > booie.......... > > . Post Of The Month. ------------------------------ From: "Olompali4" Subject: New SKB SBD 10/22/05cm LMA Date: 25 Oct 2005 21:27:25 -0700 http://www.archive.org/audio/etree-details-db.php?id=30436&from=landingReviews ------------------------------ From: Jeff Subject: Re: My 10-22-2005 Steve Kimock experience. Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2005 22:31:23 -0600 ba ba booie wrote: > Thanks Theresa, I was tinkng about ya. The beer was > cold and wet. There are a few women I think of when I experience something hot and wet....cold and wet though? ------------------------------ From: Seth Jackson Subject: Re: Why didn't yall tell me about 7-7-81???!!! Reply-To: hitmeister .at. mindspring .dot. com Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 05:18:57 GMT On 25 Oct 2005 05:48:19 -0700, "Dylanstubs" wrote: >> al haig wrote: >> Just listened to the first set of 7-7-81 and YIKES is that a barn burner of >> a show!!! > >No question. One of the greatest 1st sets of the 80s. I don't think the >2nd set measures up to it. That comment reminds me of the 3/7/81 show. If you want to hear an amazing first set, check that one out. 2nd set is good, but it doesn't measure up to the first. ------------------------------ From: "band beyond description" <123@456.com> Subject: West must become smarter in use of force: general (NDC) Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 14:01:45 +0900 Not with Bush in there... ---- BC-NATO-UTILITY (MILITARY FEATURE, PICTURE) FEATURE-West must become smarter in use of force-general By Paul Taylor BRUSSELS, Oct 26 (Reuters) - Why does the West so often win wars and then go on to lose the peace? A former NATO commander and veteran of military operations in Northern Ireland, Iraq and the Balkans tackles that question in a challenging book that advocates a complete rethink of the way Western nations organize and use their armed forces. In ``The Utility of Force'' retired General Sir Rupert Smith, one of Britain's most decorated soldiers, says Western armies are still set up to fight ``industrial wars'' which ceased to exist at the end of World War Two in 1945. ``War no longer exists,'' he writes. Smith is withering about President George W. Bush's talk of a ``war on terror'' after the Sept. 11, 2001 attacks on the United States, which he calls a ``statement without useful meaning`` since no decisive outcome is possible. ``The terrorist is demonstrating a better understanding of the utility of force in serving his political purpose than those who are opposed to him -- both political leaders and military establishments,'' he writes. Most modern conflicts, Smith argues, are ``war amongst the people'' in which military might is of limited use in attaining the strategic objective, which is to win hearts and minds, and change an opponent's behaviour. Even when Western armies prevail in a conventional fight, as in the U.S.-led invasion of Iraq to overthrow Saddam Hussein in 2003, they often fail to achieve their ultimate goals because their p 2000 olitical masters bungle the aftermath or guerrillas out-think or outlast them. MISAPPLIED ``We don't understand how to use the tool to achieve the purpose we want,'' Smith told Reuters in an interview. ``The other side in Iraq has been much more successful than the U.S. and UK in changing the mentality of the people.'' The military are ill-equipped to cope with lower intensity confrontations pitting states or coalitions against non-state forces, where only limited force may be applied under the media's gaze to achieve objectives that are sometimes hazy. ``Since the end of the Cold War force has been used time and again, yet failed to achieve the result expected,'' Smith writes. ``It has been misapplied, whilst in other cases leaders have shrunk from applying it because they could not see its utility.'' He cites the 1991 Gulf War, which succeeded in driving Saddam's Iraqi invasion force out of Kuwait but not in establishing a stable order in the region, as well as failed ``humanitarian interventions'' in Somalia and the Balkans. Smith commanded the British Armoured Division in the 1991 Gulf war and was commander of the U.N. force in Bosnia in 1995. In a vast survey of the changing nature of war, this highly intellectual soldier contends that the dropping of the atom bomb on Hiroshima put an end to total war between major powers, which began with Napoleon's campaigns in the early 19th century. ``The paradigm of interstate industrial war was literally blown to pieces on Aug. 6, 1945,'' he writes. Yet governments and military hierarchies on both sides of the Iron Curtain ignored that reality for 45 years, massing their forces and missiles for an impossible third world war, while waging other, less intensive conflicts at the same time -- the Americans in Korea and Vietnam, the Russians in Afghanistan. Smith's argument found an echo in a report on Tuesday by the International Institute of Strategic Studies which said Western powers were being forced to rethink strategy because the Iraq conflict had shown the limit of their conventional armies. In its annual report, ``The Military Balance'' the think-tank said conventional armies had been sucked into messy conflicts, often in towns, where they face enemies invulnerable to the advanced gadgetry supposed to herald a new era in warfare. UNENDING CONFLICT Since the fall of the Berlin Wall, Smith says, the main threats to international security have come from the break-up of states, guerrilla struggles and shadowy terrorist networks. ``It is these kinds of conflicts and enemies that we face most commonly now, in our post-Cold War world, though we still try to mould them all back into the industrial model: to use force and forces in accordance with a dogma rather than a reality,'' he argues. The sequence is no longer peace-crisis-war-resolution-peace, but a continuous state of confrontation and conflict. Conflicts tend to be timeless, even unending, he says, citing the Israeli-Palestinian struggle or the 55-year-old standoff between North and South Korea, which is still tying down U.S. forces on the Korean peninsula and has turned nuclear. The military is limited in its use of force by political constraints such as the need to avoid alienating the civilian population, a low public threshold for casualties, and the need to preserve equipment and forces. Smith says the United States and the North Atlantic Treaty Organization (NATO) may be less well equipped to prevail in these modern conflicts than the European Union -- a relative military dwarf with experience in nation-building, policing and reconstruction -- provided the EU can drum up political will. He does not prescribe in detail how armed forces should be transformed, but the implication is that the military needs fewer tanks, warships and fighter planes and more intelligence, police, civilian affairs and media specialists. Above all, he insists, the use of force must be ``nested'' in an overall political strategy to achieve the desired objective. That is where the United States went wrong in Iraq, Smith contends, failing to plan properly for the post-war occupation and reconstruction, to anticipate the resistance or to understand how to win Iraqi hearts and minds. Reut 01:05 10-26-05 ------------------------------ From: Seth Jackson Subject: Re: cheney = traitor Reply-To: hitmeister .at. mindspring .dot. com Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 05:20:52 GMT On Tue, 25 Oct 2005 19:16:18 -0700, "Richard Morris" wrote: > >"volkfolk" wrote in message >news:TpGdnR22FJozAsPeRVn-qQ@comcast.com... >> >> "leftie" wrote in message >> news:djm5t8$1g2l$1@agate.berkeley.edu... >>> Everybody's Gonna Be Happy wrote: >>> >>>> This leaking business is much ado about nothing, especially as you >>>> describe it. ^^^^^^^ >>> >>> Cheney leaking? No. Conspiracy to obstruct justice? Seems quite likely. >> >> Inside the Beltway politics as usual IMO. >> >> Toad's right IMO, much ado about nothing > >No, this is not politics as usual. And, that is not what Toad said. What >he said is that compared with the other stuff this regime is doing, this >particular incident is small potatoes. But it's not, really. It's a part of the administration's attempt to cover up the lies it created to get us into the Iraq war. It's a small piece of a very, very big puzzle. ------------------------------ From: "frndthdevl" Subject: Re: New SKB SBD 10/22/05cm LMA Date: 25 Oct 2005 22:24:30 -0700 nice cover of the Police's Spirits in The Material World. ------------------------------ From: "DevsVult" Subject: Cream Smoked Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 04:08:49 -0400 The critics who panned these guys are retarted. You blew it if you blew this off. They were Rock Gods on fire and in command. Where will they play tomorrow night because they left a smoking crater on 7th avenue tonight man. ------------------------------ From: "Dave Kelly" Subject: Re: Cream Smoked Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 08:14:29 GMT "DevsVult" wrote in message news:a7Gdnc2krZoMpMLeRVn-hg@adelphia.com... > The critics who panned these guys are retarted. You blew it if you blew > this > off. They were Rock Gods on fire and in command. Where will they play > tomorrow night because they left a smoking crater on 7th avenue tonight > man. GINGER BAKER!...its 4am in Manhattan! knock it off, allready! ------------------------------ From: "DevsVult" Subject: Re: Cream Smoked Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 04:19:13 -0400 "Dave Kelly" wrote in message news:FVG7f.18748$6e1.3963@newssvr14.news.prodigy.com... > > "DevsVult" wrote in message > news:a7Gdnc2krZoMpMLeRVn-hg@adelphia.com... > > The critics who panned these guys are retarted. You blew it if you blew > > this > > off. They were Rock Gods on fire and in command. Where will they play > > tomorrow night because they left a smoking crater on 7th avenue tonight > > man. > > GINGER BAKER!...its 4am in Manhattan! > knock it off, allready! > > Dude they waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaiiilllllllllllledd ahhhhhhhhhhhhhaaaaaahahahahahahah woooooooooooooooo ------------------------------ From: ba_ba_b00ie@webtv.net (ba ba booie) Subject: Re: My 10-22-2005 Steve Kimock experience. Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 06:35:28 -0400 My 10-22-2005 Steve Kimock experience. sherry13@together.net (Sherry) wrote: Tristan totalled his car last week bbb wrote: Didn't Tristan just get his license??? Whaaaaa happened? Is he alright? booie......... .. .. Have you checked these sites out today? http://www.jambase.com http://www.jambands.com http://www.jambase.com/festivals .. Find out where your favorite band is playing. Pollstar (The concer 2000 t hotwire) http://www.pollstar.com ------------------------------ From: BILL_NY@webtv.net Subject: Re: Hippie camo' dazes, confuses animals Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 07:04:40 -0400 Naw, he's only tripping out animals, and they don't carry firearms. That's why he hunts them. Where's the fun if an elk can return fire? Larry ===================================================== Hey Larry, I'll supply the Rifle, if you teach the Elk how to shoot it. Bill ------------------------------ From: "Nick's Picks" Subject: Re: My 10-22-2005 Steve Kimock experience. Date: 26 Oct 2005 04:56:52 -0700 "Then this guy patches into the guy in front of me. He had this neat little gizmo called, "Creative Nomad" juke box 3. It looked like a CD player but it was not. I am not sure what it was but he said it had 40 Gigs of hard drive? He said you can record up to 3 to 4 hours of music on it. It has no moving parts. I asked him if I could analog it out into other units, and he said I could. Anyone know more about this gadget? It looks great. The only thing he said was bad was the battery power. I think he said you can directly record it in a wave file? I don't know what he was talking about. I gotta get with it. But I did ask him if I could drive microphones in it directly and he said I could. I gotta look into this. " Booie. the Creative Labs nomad Jukebox 3 is a little hard drive recorder. You've seen it in action several times w/me actualy. they are no longer made, so you have to find them used...which they are common. In fact..I have one for sale. $200. :) If you are coming to NH tomorrow, then I'll let you run it. I'll pack it in my bag just in case. Then you can take it home w/you and "play with it" for a while, see what you think. some quick facts: - it has moving parts. a little 20 or 40gb hard drive - it holds two lithium batteries, and will record for around 5-6 hours - it CAN NOT power mics directly. You'd run your Neumann phantom supply, > mini jack into its "line in" jack. It aslo has digital in should you ever get an outboard analog > digital converter - it sounds about the same as your D8 (line in) - it will record 3 hours *per file*, and you can start a new file w/the push of a button. you can fit a ton of stuff on 20 gigs. ------------------------------ From: "mjd" Subject: Re: My 10-22-2005 Steve Kimock experience. Date: 26 Oct 2005 05:15:09 -0700 good story as usual, booie. I had a feeling you would be at that SKB show - I shoulda headed over there - coulda finally met the famous booie. I put up a post last Sat night listing some of the interesting shows in our area, and I even noted a 'booie alert' for this one. I've never been to the North Star, even though I work in Phila and live right in S. Jersey, but I don't get out as much as I used to. I'm not a big fan of hot stuffy places with no air, so thanks for blazing the trail and reporting back for the rest of us. For some reason the North Star always seems to have interesting musicians playing there. Take it easy. ------------------------------ From: "Dylanstubs" Subject: Re: Pssssst! (Dead Content) Date: 26 Oct 2005 05:22:45 -0700 Thanks for the heads-up. A lossy WMA version of 2/28 is still available from the sugar folks. ------------------------------ From: "scarletbgonias@hotmail.com" Subject: OK, They've Gone Too Far Now (NDC) Date: 26 Oct 2005 06:10:02 -0700 Now the Bush Administration is attacking a valuable "news source". They must be stopped. Theresa ============================================ http://www.nytimes.com/2005/10/24/business/24onion.html?incamp=article_popular_1 Protecting the Presidential Seal. No Joke. KATHARINE Q. SEELYE Published: October 24, 2005 You might have thought that the White House had enough on its plate late last month, what with its search for a new Supreme Court nominee, the continuing war in Iraq and the C.I.A. leak investigation. But it found time to add another item to its agenda - stopping The Onion, the satirical newspaper, from using the presidential seal. The newspaper regularly produces a parody of President Bush's weekly radio address on its Web site (www.theonion.com/content/node/40121), where it has a picture of President Bush and the official insignia. "It has come to my attention that The Onion is using the presidential seal on its Web site," Grant M. Dixton, associate counsel to the president, wrote to The Onion on Sept. 28. (At the time, Mr. Dixton's office was also helping Mr. Bush find a Supreme Court nominee; days later his boss, Harriet E. Miers, was nominated.) Citing the United States Code, Mr. Dixton wrote that the seal "is not to be used in connection with commercial ventures or products in any way that suggests presidential support or endorsement." Exceptions may be made, he noted, but The Onion had never applied for such an exception. The Onion was amused. "I'm surprised the president deems it wise to spend taxpayer money for his lawyer to write letters to The Onion," Scott Dikkers, editor in chief, wrote to Mr. Dixton. He suggested the money be used instead for tax breaks for satirists. More formally, The Onion's lawyers responded that the paper's readers - it prints about 500,000 copies weekly, and three million people read it online - are well aware that The Onion is a joke. "It is inconceivable that anyone would think that, by using the seal, The Onion intends to 'convey... sponsorship or approval' by the president," wrote Rochelle H. Klaskin, the paper's lawyer, who went on to note that a headline in the current issue made the point: "Bush to Appoint Someone to Be in Charge of Country." Moreover, she wrote, The Onion and its Web site are free, so the seal is not being used for commercial purposes. That said, The Onion asked that its letter be considered a formal application to use the seal. No answer yet. But Trent Duffy, a White House spokesman, said that "you can't pick and choose where you want to enforce the rules surrounding the use of official government insignia, whether it's for humor or fraud." O.K. But just between us, Mr. Duffy, how did they find out about it? "Despite the seriousness of the Bush White House, more than one Bush staffer reads The Onion and enjoys it thoroughly," he said. "We do have a sense of humor, believe it or not." KATHARINE Q. SEELYE ------------------------------ From: "Carlisle" Subject: Re: White House Indictment vigil(NDC) Date: 26 Oct 2005 06:42:43 -0700 Richard Morris wrote: > "Carlisle" wrote in message > news:1130284491.456367.128900@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com... > > snip > > > This is an honest question>>Does Cheney still have any connections to > > Halliburton?? Difficult to believe that he's profiting directly from > > the Iraqi war..That's what your last sentence sounds like though. > > peace plus, > > cpc > > > > Do a web search. "Cheney ties to Halliburton". See what you get. He has > stock options and defered salary, as I understand it. Does that count as a > "connection" to you? It does to me. This stuff has been known for quite > some time. > > I always thought that when you took office, you had to put your assets in a > blind trust. How he gets away with this, I do not know. In order to remove any appearance of impropriety, Cheney should have severed all ties with Halliburton. > > But it does make it easier to understand the no-bid contracts, doesn't it. The thing here is that there are precious few corporations that have the wherewithal to take on the job of *nation building* in an efficient manner>>namely Halliburton and Bechtel. Again to eliminate any appearance of impropriety, they should have gone through the bidding process. I believe part of the reason the Bush Administration did not do this is because they wanted an American company to reap the benefits f18 . I don't have a problem with that...However, we may as well make Iraq a 51st state with the amount of money that we will finally have to pour into that country. This is painful. cpc > ------------------------------ From: "Ed" Subject: Re: My 10-22-2005 Steve Kimock experience. Date: 26 Oct 2005 06:43:03 -0700 A very accurate picture of the North Star experience, Booie! Nice meeting you, and I appreciated the taping advice you gave me, even if I didn't exactly follow it. Ancient, road-beaten gear sometimes doesn't work they way it was engineered to. Somehow, the tapes turned out well, and I hope the guy with the new toy who patched into my analog deck got what he wanted, too. Band was hot -- this night was the best Steve project I've heard, way more interesting than with Leo and Mitch -- but the room was hotter. First set was out of this world. The second was less so and maybe a song or two short. Charlie Miller, official recordist, had said they'd play two 90 minute sets, but these were 15-20 minutes shorter than that, about as long as Steve usually plays, at least at shows I've gotten to. Baltimore, the next night, was everything the North Star gig wasn't. Wasn't hot in the not quite filled club (the good difference); wasn't interesting -- a bunch of repeats of material I personally am not partial to; and wasn't nearly on time, starting a full hour late, unkind on a Sunday night. Maybe next time through Kimock, Inc. can take the publicity thing into their own hands, not delegating to a street crew whose idea of getting the word out starts and ends with, "These guys are really awesome!" The only mention I could find in the Phila Inquirer or Daily News was a line listing for North Star gigs, which misspelled Steve's name. Approaching the entertainment staff at the papers and arranging an interview with Steve, who's a relatively local hero -- Bethlehem is only an hour away -- might do the trick and let him get back to more spacious (and comfortable) venues. Just my two cents. Ed ------------------------------ From: "Bzl." Subject: India CDRs? Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 09:49:47 -0400 OK you techies... Who has experience or opinions on CDRs manufactured in India? I bought myself a stack of them a few weeks ago 'cuz they were cheap. I haven't had a single problem yet, after using about 40 of them. From a bend-ability standpoint, they do seem physically sturdier than the Taiwan discs. Die is silver. There have been many discussions over the years about the benefits of Japan discs, and the detriments of Taiwan discs, but I don't recall seeing anything about India. ------------------------------ From: "scarletbgonias@hotmail.com" Subject: Re: India CDRs? Date: 26 Oct 2005 06:58:32 -0700 The Taiwan disc manaufacturing process was outsourced to India. ------------------------------ From: joker4153@comcast.net Subject: Re: OK, They've Gone Too Far Now (NDC) Date: 26 Oct 2005 06:59:23 -0700 I don't believe it. ------------------------------ ** FOR YOUR REFERENCE ** The service addresses, to which questions about the list itself and requests to be added to or deleted from it should be directed, are as follows: Internet: dead-flames-request@gdead.berkeley.edu Bitnet: dead-flames-request%gdead.berkeley.edu@ucbcmsa Uucp: ...!{ucbvax,uunet}!gdead.berkeley.edu!dead-flames-request You can send mail to the entire list (and rec.music.gdead) via one of these addresses: Internet: dead-flames@gdead.berkeley.edu Bitnet: dead-flames%gdead.berkeley.edu@ucbcmsa Uucp: ...!{ucbvax,uunet}!gdead.berkeley.edu!dead-flames End of Dead-Flames Digest ****************************** . 0