2000 From: Digestifier To: Subject: Dead-Flames Digest #697 Dead-Flames Digest #697, Volume #48 Fri, 28 Oct 05 08:00:02 PDT Contents: Re: I am thinking of driving up to Vermont today. ("The Iron Muffin") Re: Is there a good copy of 5/8/77? ("tim_ratdog") New England Skiers!!!! ("Rogues Island's finest") Re: Rove gets pass???? (The Lord of Eltingville) Re: Star Trek Actor George Takei Comes Out (NDC) (The Lord of Eltingville) Bob Set/Phil Set 10-27 ("Olompali4") Re: Star Trek Actor George Takei Comes Out (NDC) ("Rogues Island's finest") Re: White Sox Win ("pbleers@hotmail.com") Re: Fillmore 69 Box Set vs 2004 Archive SHN Versions ? (pbuzby2002@yahoo.com) Re: Are you on or near Cape Cod Massachusetts? ("Big Rhythm Wine") Re: Star Trek Actor George Takei Comes Out (NDC) ("scarletbgonias@hotmail.com") Re: Thank you, Mr. Postman ("Richard Morris") Re: shes gone (band beyond description) Re: Bob Wier Ibanez guitar hmmm (band beyond description) Re: Bob Set/Phil Set 10-27 ("Rupert") Re: shes gone (kpnnews@yahoo.com) Is Steve Kimock really this bad? ("ThinCover") Re: Bob Set/Phil Set 10-27 (kpnnews@yahoo.com) Re: Fillmore 69 Box Set vs 2004 Archive SHN Versions ? ("Roger") Re: Schadenfreude Alert! (NDC) (John Doherty) Re: Grateful Dead sounds like Adolf Hitler & Joseph Goebbels ! ("Dylanstubs") Re: Schadenfreude Alert! (NDC) ("Olompali4") Re: Is Steve Kimock really this bad? (John Doherty) Re: The year 1972 ("Dylanstubs") Re: Is Steve Kimock really this bad? ("imsjry") Re: I am thinking of driving up to Vermont today. (wyeknot) Re: Is Steve Kimock really this bad? (Ben) Re: Fillmore 69 Box Set vs 2004 Archive SHN Versions ? (JC Martin) Re: Star Trek Actor George Takei Comes Out (NDC) (Ben) ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Reply-To: "The Iron Muffin" From: "The Iron Muffin" Subject: Re: I am thinking of driving up to Vermont today. Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2005 09:02:40 -0400 Rogues Island's finest wrote: > ba ba booie wrote: > > I am thinking of driving up to Vermont today. > > > > The Master, is the master or just Master? > > > > Anyway the SKB is playing up there tonite and I have nothing to do this > > Friday, so I thought I would take a drive up north. > > > > My intentions was/is to cruise up to Boston to see the SKB @ The > > Paradise. > > Good choice, Booie. Decent room, just be very, very careful about > lighting up in there. There is a blonde undercover chick who throws > dozens of smokers and underaged drinkers out of there EVERY show. Heh. HRYK. > > But when I look @ it on the map, > > it doesn't look all that far and if I keep going straight up then is no > > sweat of my back. > > Maps can be very deceiving. Indeed. It's about three and a half hours from my place if you are travelling at 75mph. > > Woo funkin hoooo. > > > > This is it, the peak color change of the fall foliage is happening this > > weekend. This is it, This is the perfect time for an upstate road trip. > > I can't wait. > > I drove to VT earlier this week, and while there is some foliage left, > a lot of it was blown off the trees by the storms we had earlier this > week. It's pretty much the same here. > > Then I think I'll wing it on over to Boston after that. I think I am > > excited! > > A wing would be handy, cuz that is one long ride. Yeah. I suggest that if you do so, you crash at my place after the show. > > I hope this is a decent club. > > See above, it is a decent club, if you know the rules. BTW, reentry is > allowed, so hop on over to one of the clubs next door for a cold one > during the set break or before the show. And down to the car for a puff. > > But the trip should the highlight of the weekend. I wish I had > > them/some. ; ) > > > > Questions I have: > > > > How cold is really up there? > > It's nipply today and the weather Saturday is supposed to be shit. Cold > rain and snow... Yeah, it's cold today. No rain or snow yet, though. > > South Burlington, VT looks like it's a freaking 1/2 away from Canada! > > Waaa!!! > > Actually it's closer to Canada than that... Heh. > > HOW COLD IS IT REALLY UP THERE??? > > This week: cold > A few weeks from now: fucking cold. Two months from now: WICKED fucking cold. > > Isn't that ski country??? > > All of VT is ski country, and one of the more beautiful places in these > United States. HRYK. > > How far is South Burlington, VT from say, > > The Mass Pike? > > 3 hours or so, if you don't stop for a sandwich or do any shower head > installations along the way. Yeah, but that's deceptive. It's right off I-89, as is all of Burlington. > > Muffin man, > > aren't I driving right past your place? > > Yes you are. HRYK. > > Maybe I should just stick with Boston. > > > > How cold is it really up there??? > > > Is there snow on the ground? > > There was on Tuesday, but it's probably gone now except the mountain > peaks. Nothing on the ground in Greenfield at the moment. > > Did someone around here find some "sound mind"? I am not familiar > > with it and I need help finding some. > > I wish. Heh. Me too. > > Maybe it's in South Burlington, Vermont. Here's hoping. > > Gotta keep looking. > > > > booie.......... > > Have fun, and STFU! Indeed. -- The Iron Muffin DEAD FREAKS UNITE Who are you? Where are you? How are you? ------------------------------ From: "tim_ratdog" Subject: Re: Is there a good copy of 5/8/77? Date: 28 Oct 2005 06:03:51 -0700 Jerry Grau wrote: > The sound is very odd on the widely circulated version - very bassy, > doesn't sound at all like any show I've ever heard. Was just > listening to Row Jimmy, which I love, and I can't imagine it sounded > anything like that on the day. Is there a more accurate version out > there? I'd guess you're listening to the Eaton seed (which actually I like and still listen to). Try some of the others from archive and you'll hear a difference. -tim ------------------------------ From: "Rogues Island's finest" Subject: New England Skiers!!!! Date: 28 Oct 2005 06:11:04 -0700 This shot was taken yesterday at Killington: http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y48/mark33/killington.jpg That'll put a pup tent in your gore-tex! Mark ------------------------------ From: The Lord of Eltingville Subject: Re: Rove gets pass???? Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2005 08:52:53 -0400 Don Bean wrote: > > I hear that Rove gets a pass and Libby does not.... We will see > today.......... > > All this stuff does not make up the fact that the case for war was a > joke.... No. Jokes are funny. ------------------------------ From: The Lord of Eltingville Subject: Re: Star Trek Actor George Takei Comes Out (NDC) Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2005 08:54:13 -0400 Dylanstubs wrote: > > I knew it!!!! Not that there's anything wrong with that . . . > > http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20051028/ap_on_en_tv/people_george_takei&printer=1 > > [...] Yeah, that was as big as shock as when kd lang, Rosie O'Donnell, and Rob Halford came out... ------------------------------ From: "Olompali4" Subject: Bob Set/Phil Set 10-27 Date: 28 Oct 2005 06:17:25 -0700 Ratdog The Riviera Chicago, IL 10/27/2005 Shakedown She Belongs to Me Minglewood * Crazy Fingers Loose Lucy Little Red Rooster Lazy River Road Odessa Shakedown Jam Eyes Stronger than Dirt Eyes *Sorry Squid, Andy forgot to send that they played it End of Set Jack a Roe@3 FOTD@5 Victim@5 Greatest Story Althea Ashes and Glass Stuff% Dear Prudence Sugar Mags E: Brokedown Palace ~~~~~~~~~~~~ Phil & Friends Bimbo's 365 Club 2000 (700 capacity) San Francisco, CO October 27, 2005 Set 1: ^Jam> ^Goin' Down The Road Feelin' Bad ^*Rocky Road Blues (Nelson) ^Peggy-0 (Fennario) ^*Any Naked Eye ^*Now It Gets Good ^Friend Of The Devil ^Cumberland Blues ^Cold Rain and Snow ^Box Of Rain ^Cosmic Charlie *1st time played ^with David Nelson (guitar+vocals) $Sless on Wolf guitar Set 2: Wicked Messenger ^The Wheel ^*Garden of Eden> ^The Other One I Am The Walrus Mountains Of The Moon Terrapin Station ^$Not Fade Away E: ^Ripple Phil Lesh Jimmy Herring (guitar) Jeff Sipe (drums) Rob Barraco (keys) Barry Sless (guitar+pedalsteel ------------------------------ From: "Rogues Island's finest" Subject: Re: Star Trek Actor George Takei Comes Out (NDC) Date: 28 Oct 2005 06:23:54 -0700 The Lord of Eltingville wrote: > Dylanstubs wrote: > > > > I knew it!!!! Not that there's anything wrong with that . . . > > > > http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20051028/ap_on_en_tv/people_george_takei&printer=1 > > > > [...] > > Yeah, that was as big as shock as when kd lang, Rosie O'Donnell, and Rob > Halford came out... I'm still reeling from the news that there is a lesbian playing in the WNBA. Gosh, I wonder how the other women will receive her now in the locker room? Mark ------------------------------ From: "pbleers@hotmail.com" Subject: Re: White Sox Win Date: 28 Oct 2005 06:39:21 -0700 Having been born and raised a White Sox fan by former westside parents, spent many hours at Comiskey Park as a youth, enjoying Bill Vecks antics as well as when that park was not condusive to "family night" outings, even managed to be there in 83 (thanks to my Dad) when the Sox clinched their place in the playoffs, and riding the ups and downs of Reinsdorfs decisions (including the decision to tear down Comiskey and replace it with a blasphemy)......October 2005 was quite a satisfying year. No rioting, which I'm happy to report. Just pure bliss, happiness and joy and a whole bunch of fireworks. ------------------------------ From: pbuzby2002@yahoo.com Subject: Re: Fillmore 69 Box Set vs 2004 Archive SHN Versions ? Date: 28 Oct 2005 06:49:33 -0700 Bill wrote: > I believe they had 16 track tapes to work with. I believe they also had 16 > track tapes for the 4 CD, April '71 Fillmore East (Ladies and Gentlemen, the > GD) release. On that they changed the mix pretty radically (for the worse) > from the mix on the circulating soundboards. I don't know how they were > able to technically do it. Perhaps they took the 16 track tapes and were > able to somehow divide it into 16 different sources and then mix those > sources to get the product they did. Bill, here's some friendly advice: find a book or a web site with a beginner's guide to engineering, or look at the bonus footage on the Grateful Dead Movie DVD where you can see Norman (or is it Lemieux? I forget) mixing the Winterland '74 tapes. When you have a 16-track master tape, the tape is split into 16 tracks. In the case of these tapes, one track probably contained Kreutzman's bass drum, another had Weir's vocal, etc. The Dead's engineers decided how loud each track should be and what EQ and effects should be on them, and made the mixes which were used for the CDs. I'm not sure about the story behind the circulating soundboards, but they were either from a mix determined on the night of the show (possibly set at the beginning of the night and never changed) or from earlier mixdowns from the same 16-track tapes. From what I've heard about 4/71, the former is more likely. In the case of the '69 shows, I've heard the latter. Pat Buzby Chicago, IL ------------------------------ From: "Big Rhythm Wine" Subject: Re: Are you on or near Cape Cod Massachusetts? Date: 28 Oct 2005 06:54:48 -0700 we had some interest last year from the Coma...see what happens...we do play the cape alot in the summer though. Yeah, I have a sense of humor........but it really needs to be funny....or at least that helps. ------------------------------ From: "scarletbgonias@hotmail.com" Subject: Re: Star Trek Actor George Takei Comes Out (NDC) Date: 28 Oct 2005 06:57:53 -0700 I just reeling over the fact that Sulu is 68. Theresa ------------------------------ From: "Richard Morris" Subject: Re: Thank you, Mr. Postman Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2005 07:01:25 -0700 "Neil X." wrote in message news:1130472429.526630.24750@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com... > >> Dave Kelly asked: >> >> How do you sleep at night? >> >> Disgusted in Detroit > > > Yeah, the right wing cultural warriors claim that hippies and > Deadhdeads are all criminals with no redeeming social value. And this > thread could be their exhibit A. Brazenly stealing from the > government. Tsk tsk. For shame, it's an egregious breach of protocol. > You're supposed to buy a Senator if you want to do that. I can't afford a senator, unless they are on sale. R. ------------------------------ From: band beyond description <123@456.com> Subject: Re: shes gone Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2005 23:02:35 +0900 On 2005-10-28 09:34:55 +0900, Tom Beck said: >> >> What conclusions do you draw about Bush from his supreme court nominations? >> >> R. >> >> > > That he is fundamentally a tool Full stop. -- Peace, Steve ------------------------------ From: band beyond description <123@456.com> Subject: Re: Bob Wier Ibanez guitar hmmm Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2005 23:13:36 +0900 On 2005-10-28 08:27:54 +0900, "Roxanne McDaniel" said: > > "pookietooth" wrote in message > All right smart asses. Post a link to a better looking guitar. I dare > ya! > > ********************************* > > http://tinyurl.com/b4lgt I was just thinkin' that! -- Peace, Steve ------------------------------ From: "Rupert" Subject: Re: Bob Set/Phil Set 10-27 Date: 28 Oct 2005 07:19:08 -0700 So did anyone ever find out why there was no taping at the Phil show? ------------------------------ From: kpnnews@yahoo.com Subject: Re: shes gone Date: 28 Oct 2005 07:20:56 -0700 Ray wrote: > Ray wrote: > > kpnnews@yahoo.com wrote: > > > I am telling y'all, we all always underestimate GWB. Is he just a > > > bumbling and a fumbling through this second term? > > > > Three words: Social Security 'reform'. > > > > Two more words: Hurricane Katrina. > > > > One more word: Iraq. > > > > > You have got to remember who we > > > are dealing with; these folks are players at the national/world level. > > > > If we are talking about Bush's advisors and not Bush himself, agreed. > > However they are now distracted by potential criminal indictments. > > > > Nonetheless: > > > > > This ain't over yet, but I have a feeling at the end GWB, > > > Limbo, Hannity, etc, are going to be looking at the left and saying > > > "you got served ." > > > > Limbaugh, Hannity, and their ilk may indeed end up gettin what they > > want here, dunno. (However whether Bush himself is one of 'their ilk' > > is debatable.) > > > > > This ain't over. > > > > Nope. We're just on to Round Two. > > BTW: Kurt, if you think that the attack on Miers from the right was > planned by the White House then I think you are incorrect. Much of the > right finally openly broke ranks with the White House over it, and as a > result Bush has been severely weakened. It's possible that Bush may > come back from this -- especially if, say, a there was another > terrorist attack for him to exploit -- but he lost a lot of political > clout on this one. Look at Miers. The right broke away in rebellion? The only nominee that would have sparked more dissent would have been Daffy Duck. The response, IMHO, was predictable and debatably planned. That's all I am saying. Kurt ------------------------------ From: " 2000 ThinCover" Subject: Is Steve Kimock really this bad? Date: 28 Oct 2005 07:24:48 -0700 This is the best bad review I've read in a long time. "Aural Velveeta," ha! Source: http://tinyurl.com/degsa STEVE KIMOCK BAND, EUDEMONIC E-Mail | WWW (Sci-Fidelity Records, CD) There's a common term for the milquetoast noodling that California-based guitarist Steve Kimock traffics in, and it's called elevator music. An altogether uninspired outing, Kimock's latest release, Eudemonic, is filled with bland jazz-lite that attempts to pass itself off as respectable fusion. Kimock, who is something of a god amongst neo-jam and groove fans, is the latest in a long line of six-string blowhards who have little to say on their instruments but take plenty of time to do so. Backed by a jam-by-numbers band, the guitarist substitutes technique for soul on one cut after another for an album's worth of aural Velveeta. Eudemonic's self-titled opener is so patently sterile that it could set guitar-based music back by at least a decade. Like the soundtrack to a Soloflex commercial or telephone hold music, the tune pounds its faux-funk bass line into your skull with mind-numbing repetition. Nearly as dull, the subsequent track "Ice Cream" is redeemed only by a tight snare shuffle and polyrhythmic cymbal work. "Bouncer" is Kimock's attempt to hitch his wagon to a modern dance groove. Unfortunately, the tune's central motif has less bite than a geriatric without dentures. I'm not sure which is worse: Kimock's meaningless, single-note doodles or his ham-fisted stabs at riffery. And what cornball instrumental album would be complete without a sappy ballad? Kimock's flaccid centerpiece "In Reply" is his. With its overarching sentimentality and twee melodies, it sounds like Lawrence Welk gone Windham Hill. "Elmer's Revenge" boasts a shifting time signature that provides the album's most compelling moments. Fleshed out by a minor-key guitar figure, the tune's serpentine groove is fairly engrossing. However, I soon forgot this highlight upon hearing the excruciatingly dull "Moon People." A grievous attempt at progressive rock, the track proves that sound effects and stero panning are a poor substitute for inspiration. It unsettles me that musicians such as Steve Kimock are receiving so much attention in the jazz-jam sceen. A pinnacle of banality, Eudemonic could be used as weapon in the War on Terror -- play this baby 'round the clock at GitMo and detainees are bound to start talking. There is a good reason to attend Kimock's show at the Higher Ground Ballroom on Oct. 28, however: A food drive hosted by the philanthropic organization Conscious alliance with benefit Chittenden County emergency food shelves. Now that sounds worthwhile. ------------------------------ From: kpnnews@yahoo.com Subject: Re: Bob Set/Phil Set 10-27 Date: 28 Oct 2005 07:25:29 -0700 Olompali4 wrote: > Ratdog > Eyes > Stronger than Dirt > Eyes That sounds interesting. Kurt ------------------------------ From: "Roger" Subject: Re: Fillmore 69 Box Set vs 2004 Archive SHN Versions ? Date: 28 Oct 2005 07:33:56 -0700 pbuzby2002@yahoo.com wrote: > Bill wrote: > > > I believe they had 16 track tapes to work with. I believe they also had 16 > > track tapes for the 4 CD, April '71 Fillmore East (Ladies and Gentlemen, the > > GD) release. On that they changed the mix pretty radically (for the worse) > > from the mix on the circulating soundboards. I don't know how they were > > able to technically do it. Perhaps they took the 16 track tapes and were > > able to somehow divide it into 16 different sources and then mix those > > sources to get the product they did. > > Bill, here's some friendly advice: find a book or a web site with a > beginner's guide to engineering, or look at the bonus footage on the > Grateful Dead Movie DVD where you can see Norman (or is it Lemieux? I > forget) mixing the Winterland '74 tapes. > > When you have a 16-track master tape, the tape is split into 16 tracks. > In the case of these tapes, one track probably contained Kreutzman's > bass drum, another had Weir's vocal, etc. The Dead's engineers decided > how loud each track should be and what EQ and effects should be on > them, and made the mixes which were used for the CDs. > > I'm not sure about the story behind the circulating soundboards, but > they were either from a mix determined on the night of the show > (possibly set at the beginning of the night and never changed) or from > earlier mixdowns from the same 16-track tapes. From what I've heard > about 4/71, the former is more likely. In the case of the '69 shows, > I've heard the latter. > I don't know the story about the circulating copies of the '69 Fillmore multitracks, but as for the 4/71 tapes, those in circulation for so many years were 2-track tapes made from a stealth patch from the soundboard. The recorder was in a nearby broomcloset. Read Darrin's "The Story of the Tapes" in the comments section on etree.org. Here's a direct link (4-29-71): http://db.etree.org/shninfo_detail.php?shnid=1858#comments Jay Serafin circulated a copy of 4-29-71 purportedly from a rough mix of the "8-track vault masters". The vault masters, of course, were 16-track tapes, and Serafin's release had all the same flaws as the 2-track closet tapes. If you're familiar with Serafin, you have to assume he's full of shit. Roger ------------------------------ From: John Doherty Subject: Re: Schadenfreude Alert! (NDC) Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2005 10:36:25 -0400 > "John Doherty" wrote in message > news:jgnospamdoherty-9DF2D3.19412516102005@comcast.dca.giganews.com... > > > My bad, then-- I never was a math Major;-) In article , "DGDevin" wrote: > > Million, billion, whatever, why let facts slow down a good rant? Or some might ask, why piss on a good natured apology on this board? ------------------------------ From: "Dylanstubs" Crossposted-To: cz.zamestnani.hledam Subject: Re: Grateful Dead sounds like Adolf Hitler & Joseph Goebbels ! Date: 28 Oct 2005 07:40:47 -0700 > Gerry Lintonice wrote: > Yes, seems to be nazi music from the Third Reich. Well, there's a complaint I haven't heard before! I knew there was something subversive about Workingman's Dead. ------------------------------ From: "Olompali4" Subject: Re: Schadenfreude Alert! (NDC) Date: 28 Oct 2005 07:42:08 -0700 > why let facts slow down a good rant? That's how George W. Bush became president. ------------------------------ From: John Doherty Subject: Re: Is Steve Kimock really this bad? Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2005 10:42:59 -0400 In article <1130509488.131106.268580@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>, "ThinCover" wrote: > This is the best bad review I've read in a long time. "Aural > Velveeta," ha! This reminds me of when local papers would assign a critic who detested the Dead to review a Grateful Dead concert. This reviewer seems to have contempt for the genre. it's a disservice to give such a review to someone of such jaded perspective, like sending a metal fan to review the symphony (or vice versa). i don't own the record, but recently downloaded Eudemon from a recent kimock performance on archive, and I like what I've heard. JD "A cynic knows the price of everything and the value of nothing". -Oscar Wilde ------------------------------ From: "Dylanstubs" Subject: Re: The year 1972 Date: 28 Oct 2005 07:43:07 -0700 > scarletbgonias@hotmail.com wrote: > The copy of 9/21/72 sounds pretty good, although I'm sure the official > release will sound better. > > OK guys, correct me if I'm wrong, but 8/27/72 isn't there because it's > SSDD a 17ad nd we're still waiting on that official release, right? > > Theresa That other site that has live Grateful Dead still has 8/27/72. ------------------------------ From: "imsjry" Subject: Re: Is Steve Kimock really this bad? Date: 28 Oct 2005 07:46:12 -0700 No, he isn't that bad. But it is elevator music. ------------------------------ From: wyeknot Subject: Re: I am thinking of driving up to Vermont today. Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2005 10:47:35 -0400 Rogues Island's finest wrote: > ba ba booie wrote: >>I am thinking of driving up to Vermont today. >> >>The Master, is the master or just Master? >> >>Anyway the SKB is playing up there tonite and I have nothing to do this >>Friday, so I thought I would take a drive up north. >> >>My intentions was/is to cruise up to Boston to see the SKB @ The >>Paradise. > > Good choice, Booie. Decent room, just be very, very careful about > lighting up in there. There is a blonde undercover chick who throws > dozens of smokers and underaged drinkers out of there EVERY show. And be forewarned that it's probably not an ideal club for taping. The "taping section" is in a cramped balcony near the ceiling of the club. The soundboard is up there too. The best sound for listening is dead center on the floor which means (a) if you're on the floor, your gear is out of sight, and (b) your mic's are not getting the best sound most likely. It is one the better clubs in Boston though. And yes, grab a setbreak brewski at the club next door. If there's a cover, your Kimock ticket/bracelet will get you in. Matt ------------------------------ From: Ben Subject: Re: Is Steve Kimock really this bad? Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2005 07:48:18 -0700 On 28 Oct 2005 07:46:12 -0700, "imsjry" wrote: > >No, he isn't that bad. But it is elevator music. I wish they played that stuff in elevators. ------------------------------ From: JC Martin Subject: Re: Fillmore 69 Box Set vs 2004 Archive SHN Versions ? Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2005 14:48:37 GMT pbuzby2002@yahoo.com wrote: > Bill wrote: > > >>I believe they had 16 track tapes to work with. I believe they also had 16 >>track tapes for the 4 CD, April '71 Fillmore East (Ladies and Gentlemen, the >>GD) release. On that they changed the mix pretty radically (for the worse) >>from the mix on the circulating soundboards. I don't know how they were >>able to technically do it. Perhaps they took the 16 track tapes and were >>able to somehow divide it into 16 different sources and then mix those >>sources to get the product they did. > > > Bill, here's some friendly advice: find a book or a web site with a > beginner's guide to engineering, or look at the bonus footage on the > Grateful Dead Movie DVD where you can see Norman (or is it Lemieux? I > forget) mixing the Winterland '74 tapes. > > When you have a 16-track master tape, the tape is split into 16 tracks. > In the case of these tapes, one track probably contained Kreutzman's > bass drum, another had Weir's vocal, etc. The Dead's engineers decided > how loud each track should be and what EQ and effects should be on > them, and made the mixes which were used for the CDs. > > I'm not sure about the story behind the circulating soundboards, but > they were either from a mix determined on the night of the show > (possibly set at the beginning of the night and never changed) or from > earlier mixdowns from the same 16-track tapes. From what I've heard > about 4/71, the former is more likely. In the case of the '69 shows, > I've heard the latter. Most likely, the board was a monitor mix rather than a PA mix, which is no indication of how it sounded live to the audience. Bill is completely out of touch on this point. And of course, if you have 16 tracks to work with, the tracks are already divided into channel strips on a mixing board. Any level, pan, frequency cut or effect can be applied to an individual track. I have little doubt that these tracks had a lot of bleeding, so to get a clean and expansive sound, certain sacrifices have to be made in the overall mix. It's not as simple as "boost Phil's bass as loud as the monitor mix" and clean up the sound. If you want the monitor mix, they already exist. What Leimeux did was create a more balanced presentation of the concert. I can hear more subtleties in the mix and it's cleaner than the board tapes. Nuff said. Both are available for your listening pleasure. -JC ------------------------------ From: Ben Subject: Re: Star Trek Actor George Takei Comes Out (NDC) Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2005 07:49:23 -0700 On Fri, 28 Oct 2005 08:54:13 -0400, The Lord of Eltingville wrote: >Dylanstubs wrote: >> >> I knew it!!!! Not that there's anything wrong with that . . . >> >> http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20051028/ap_on_en_tv/people_george_takei&printer=1 >> >> [...] > >Yeah, that was as big as shock as when kd lang, Rosie O'Donnell, and Rob >Halford came out... Or when the drummer for Jethro Tull got a sex change - at age 65 (or thereabouts). ------------------------------ ** FOR YOUR REFERENCE ** The service addresses, to which questions about the list itself and requests to be added to or deleted from it should be directed, are as follows: Internet: dead-flames-request@gdead.berkeley.edu Bitnet: dead-flames-request%gdead.berkeley.edu@ucbcmsa Uucp: ...!{ucbvax,uunet}!gdead.berkeley.edu!dead-flames-request You can send mail to the entire list (and rec.music.gdead) via one of these addresses: Internet: dead-flames@gdead.berkeley.edu Bitnet: dead-flames%gdead.berkeley.edu@ucbcmsa Uucp: ...!{ucbvax,uunet}!gdead.berkeley.edu!dead-flames End of Dead-Flames Digest ****************************** . 0