1718 From: SOS-Digest-Owner@gdead.berkeley.edu To: SOS-Digest@gdead.berkeley.edu Subject: Save Our Scene Digest V1 #39 Reply-To: SOS@gdead.berkeley.edu Errors-To: SOS-Digest-Owner@gdead.berkeley.edu Precedence: Save Our Scene Digest Saturday, 24 February 1996 Volume 01 : Number 039 In this issue: Hey Now! Re: Save Our Scene Digest V1 #38 Re: Howdy, SOSers! See the end of the digest for information on subscribing to the SOS or SOS-Digest mailing lists and on how to retrieve back issues. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: ddowns@freenet.vcu.edu (Daniel L. Downs) Date: Fri, 23 Feb 1996 14:27:43 -0500 Subject: Hey Now! Hey ya'll! I am still alive and kicking in Virginia. It's nice to know there are still a few SOS folks out there in cyberspace.... It sure would be nice if the ship of fools docked at Hampton Col. Dan Downs ------------------------------ From: pip@mcs.com (John Pipino) Date: Fri, 23 Feb 1996 19:15:25 -0600 Subject: Re: Save Our Scene Digest V1 #38 >ktrout wrote: > How can we decide on any plans, actions, and have any meanful discussion >without such information. I ti would be like spinnning our wheels. I don't think a general discussion would necessarily be spinning our wheels. When Jerry died (every time I say that I sigh), we were still rather general in our solutions/suggestions. Can't we build on that? > If all it will take to change this into rerun of last summer is the >addition of "dead" into the flashing marquis -perhaps all we need do is >leave it out. And I think they will...but I don't think that will be enough to avoid a debacle like last summer. I think that Ship 'O Fools scene could potentially be far stranger than the one last summer -- everyone who has never come to a show will think "this is my last chance to see what's left." > After all. we all know what the deal is, it may be best not to advertise >it too much. Truer words never spoken. Cheers Patte ------------------------------ From: ktrout@cnct.com Date: Sat, 24 Feb 1996 02:45:24 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: Howdy, SOSers! On Fri, 23 Feb 1996, John Pipino wrote: > >ktrout wrote: > > > How can we decide on any plans, actions, and have any meanful discussion > >without such information. I ti would be like spinnning our wheels. > > I don't think a general discussion would necessarily be spinning our > wheels. When Jerry died (every time I say that I sigh), we were still > rather general in our solutions/suggestions. Can't we build on that? Why would it not be. It would all just be hypothetical conjecturing until we know what is going on. And even then who is to say "we" can really do anything. Can we control ticket sales, the size of the place, the way security is arranged? These things are out of our control and until they are decided there really is no "scene" to save. The way I see it, we can't really be "general" in our solutions & discussions. We will need to determine on a site by site basis what can be done. If they decide to play large outdoor places with lots of open areas away from large cities then there is a potential for large crowds without constraints but if the play places akin to Madison Square Garden then I think the NYPD or their equivalent ilk can handle a few thousand people, and in my experience those places had no real scene anyway. The main point I am trying to make is that the whole thing is jsut so speculative it may be better to wait a bit than to run amok trying to form solutions for a not very well-posed problem. As the population of people heading to shows became more mainstream over the years so did the prevaling attitudes. (After all, there is only one time in history I an aware of when over 100,000 people got together and didn't end up killing each other, though were the palce wasn't a disaster area afterwards is arguable) Which may in itself present the only workable solution, make it unappealing to the people who want to be there just to say they were. Which unfortunately may make the idea of a "scene" the ultimate problem. We may have to borrow a Republican solution from the '60's: We had to destroy the village in order to save it. Oh my non-existant deity-- Did I really say that!> > > If all it will take to change this into rerun of last summer is the > >addition of "dead" into the flashing marquis -perhaps all we need do is > >leave it out. > And I think they will...but I don't think that will be enough to avoid a > debacle like last summer. Perhaps the boys/their retinue have some ideas > regarding this. If that doesn't forestall a catastrophe then nothing will Sad to say, but perhaps any of the band without Jerry just won't have enough mainstream appeal to really cause a problem. Ironically, we can only hope! > > After all. we all know what the deal is, it may be best not to advertise > >it too much. > Truer words never spoken. > > Cheers > > Patte > > > Peace. Love & ... mike ------------------------------ End of Save Our Scene Digest V1 #39 *********************************** To subscribe to SOS-Digest, send the command: subscribe sos-digest in the body of a message to "Majordomo@gdead.berkeley.edu". 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