SUBJECT: NEWS ARTICLE ABOUT DON WAR, MUFON-FLA. FILE: UFO1189 [This is a transcript for the December 4th, 1988 On Line Conference with MUFON Gulf Breeze investigator Don Ware with a special cameo appearance of the principle player in the case "Mr. Ed"] User User ID Nod Rm Name / Forum Area ---- ------------ --- --- ----------------- 18 74630,554 ANC 5 Bill 24 76703,266 DUK 5 G-WIZ 27 72310,2472 BOI 3 Don M 32 76650,1021 TTO 5 Tom Mickus 24 74000,1033 CNJ 5 Lynn Craig 47 72311,2715 BOL 5 JDR 59 72460,3101 BMA 5 JERRY WOODY 66 74270,3360 BOI 5 DON 70 75376,1620 CVK 5 Wedge 71 76060,2404 DEQ 5 Mark R. Owens 73 76012,3361 MRT 5 Ted 77 71450,3504 PSF 5 Bert 77 71450,3504 PSF 5 Don Ware (5,Bert) Any time, Don is here with me. (5,Wedge) Don, is Ed ********* with you? (5,Bert) Ed is not here (5,Don M) Dale, which Don (5,Wedge) Sorry, Don Ware. #;;C_ISSU: - Job 77: switching handles now (5,DON) Hi you all....... (5,Bill) hi Don (5,Mark[Y]) Hello, all! (5,Don M) hihi (Ted) Are we ready? ga (5,DON) go (5,Don Ware) All set here (5,Bill) yes (Ted) Tonight's special guest is Donald Ware, head of the Gulf Breeze UFO investigation for the Mutual UFO Network (MUFON). Don is a retired Air Force officer (fighter pilot) who resides in Ft. Walton Beach, FL and is also a state director for MUFON. He was spotlighted on NBC's "Unsolved Mysteries" last month. Before we open the floor to questions I'll get things going with a couple of basic questions. Ready Don? GA (5,Don Ware) yes (Ted) I understand there has been quite a bit of new activity in Gulf Breeze the last few months. Could you tell us a little about what has been happening? -- Especially involving the incident last week where an airforce pilot and his wife had a major encounter on the beach. I heard a rumor that a significant stretch of beach was closed. Anything to that? GA (5,Don Ware) First let me clarify for the record that Charles Flannigan is the chief investigator on the GB case. I have been coordinating some of the related activities. Regarding recent incidents a week ago Monday, about 10:15 pm, 3 teenagers on Pensacola beach were told by US Airforce security police that they must clear the beach. Thirty minutes later, James Larken with another person reported a UFO 12-13 ft in diameter, 25 ft above the tree tops two miles east of GB. This is just north of the Sound from where the teenagers were, and I understand that the teenagers told Mark Curtis of TV3 that an incident was in progress. ga (Ted) Thanks for setting us straight on the "head" investigator. What's your opinion of the attacks being leveled by individuals like Willy Smith? In a report at a national UFO conference in Cleveland recently, Smith reported that he believed the whole GB thing to be a hoax. GA (5,Don Ware) First let me clarify that the teenagers were told by the POLICE that an incident was in progress. I think Willy Smith has a personal problem. We have not communicated with him since late March when his responses to our communications became unreasonable. ga (Ted) Can you elaborate? ga (5,Wedge) ! (5,Tom Mickus) ! (5,Don Ware) I'd prefer not to elaborate further, because I prefer not to discuss other people. ga (5,DON) !! (Ted) I will now open the floor, Dale and Mickus are already on the list (along with Don) ga (5,Wedge) Thank you. I was just wondering how you feel about the recent reduction of Bob Boyd and Willy Smith in MUFON circles...since every case needs to have both sides expressed, don't you feel that one sided censorship is taking place?ga (5,Don Ware) The change in MUFON status of Boyd and Smith has certainly not changed their visibility. ga (Ted) Mickus is next GA (5,Tom Mickus) Don, can you tell us if the names of two of the people who also have photos is going to be released...and has Maccabee analyzed these pics at all and if he has, when is the computer analysis going to be made public in print?...and one other question, if Mr. "Ed" is supposed to be a major construction contractor in GB why can't someone determine who is really is? Thanks. GA DON. (5,Mark R. Owens) ! (5,Don Ware) The two photos from 1986 and the 9 photos from "believer Bill" were taken by people who have not allowed interviews [A lady named Millie took 2 photos on 6 April the objects were quite small, .001 radians.... (Ted) Don Ware got knocked off. Please stand by..... [Light music...] (5,Wedge) [Irritating commercial chatter] [More Light music] (5,G-WIZ) ha! (5,Bert) got knocked off, we are back... [Bert changes name to Don Ware] (5,Don Ware) We have been unable to locate Mike Johnson, who dropped off an undeveloped roll of film at the Gulf Breeze Sentinel. ga (5,DON) Hang in there with me, the keyboard is acting up. Ok, Don, all around the UFO community the entire "House" is in disarray perfect case in point is the GB case this is one that has divided the ranks down the middle You, Walt, Maccabee on one side giving the facts that this is very promising, on the other side, People like Smith, etc, not to mention Klass using it to show the rest of the world how we are our own worst enemies. My point is this,. first what do you consider to be the most effective evidence to show that something is indeed occurring, and then do you have any ideas on how you would suggest a healing of the ranks?? and follow up. ga (5,Tom Mickus) ! (5,Mark R. Owens) ! (5,Don Ware) Bob Boyd and Willy Smith appear to me to be debunkers. We have 7 investigators in NW Florida who have been working on this case plus 3-4 others working on nearby cases. We try to investigate according to the MUFON manual we report what we learn. The reaction of other investigators or debunkers is not MY concern. The NW Florida MUFON case number 15 has been investigated more thoroughly than any case I know one couple has had 22 encounters, including 18 separate photographic sessions in a 5 and a half month period. They have taken pictures with every kind of camera we gave them. The 1 May photographs show an object 14.8 ft in diameter, and 14.8 ft high at a distance of 475 ft over the water. The NIMSLO object is in the same frames calculated to be 132 ft away. The object appears to be about 3 ft long. NUMEROUS REPUTABLE people reported objects they described as similar to those photographed. ga (5,Wedge) ! (5,Mark R. Owens) Thank you. I would like to know what type of credentials that Ed has and how does he fit into the picture with respect to previous association with MUFON or other similar organizations. ga (5,Don Ware) Ed has no previous association with MUFON or other UFO groups. I met him on 20 November, the day after the first pictures were published. ga (5,Mark R. Owens) follow? (Ted) We have a lot in line Mark. I have put you in Queue. Dale is next ga (5,Wedge) Don W is a book in the works? And if so, can you tell us the percentage of take that Ed will take?ga (5,Don Ware) On 7 January, I told Ed that this case requires presentation to the public in two forms. First a TV documentary, because it was primarily visual evidence; and secondly a book must be written because that is the ONLY format that can tell the whole story. ga (5,Don Ware) wait... I have no knowledge of the finances. ga (Ted) Tom Mickus is next ga Tom (5,Tom Mickus) Don, I'm not sure if you answered my previous question as to whether Ed is a moajor construction contactor in GB...and when the computer analysis by Maccabee will be pout into print. And a suggestion: Why doesn't someone work a deal with Sony and make sure that everyone down there scraps their cameras and get camcorders instead. And lastly, do you know where I can get a copy of a 1985 Air force regulation entitled "AF200-2" Thanks...GA (5,Don Ware) During the previous 5 years Ed averaged building 20 houses per year. During the past 12 months, he has only built 9. The reason is that an extensive and UFO investigation and building custom homes do not mix. Not everyone wants to trust their life savings to someone who photographs strange things. Dr. Maccabees photo analysis has been completed on select photographs. Release date unknown. Library of congress would be a source for info on regulations. Or "Clear Intent" has a copy of AFR200-2..ga (Ted) DON is next GA DON form Boise (5,DON) Don, on my last question, I asked you what piece of evidence you felt was most provocative from the stand point of showing that this was a very serious case, so what piece of evidence do you feel would be the one and how is the abduction phenomenon shaping up in GB?? (5,Wedge) ! (5,Don Ware) As I stated in my initial statement is the combination of excellent photographs and the reputation of independent witnesses that makes GB "case 15" greatly significant. We had 10 abductees at our support group meeting last Tuesday (29 Nov.). My impression is that... (5,DON) Ok, but is there any physical evidence, or military? (Ted) Wait DON Please! (5,Don Ware) they are being helped by our activities several abductees have undergone extensive hypnotic regression. (Ted) Mark O is next ga (5,Mark R. Owens) I wanted to know if the government has been involved in this thing, and if so, to what extent officially? Also, has Ed been an abductee? ga. (Don Ware) Three mobile radars surrounded GB shortly after the photos were published. Thompson 871111/0815 and McClellan 871202/00## both reported fighters making a pass toward the UFO. Light aircraft showed up after other sightings. Light aircraft were reported orbiting over East Bay almost every night during the peak of the sightings. We suspect that the government knows more about what's going on than we do. Ed has has at least 4 periods of missing time at ages 17, 25, 33, and 41. Perhaps later details may be released. ga (Ted) DAle is next (5,Wedge) If the Ed story turns out to be real it is the story of the century if it doesn't, it could it could really destroy Ufology. Is there anything about Ed that you think could be detrimental to your case?ga (Ted) [good ? Dale] (5,Don Ware) we are back (Ted) Dale can you repeat? ga (5,Wedge) I think I said...and if not, Ted ask the q. This case could be the most important one in the past century. But, perhaps it may not be as it seems. Is there anything in the case or in Mr. Ed that troubles you as an investigator? Your case may be the downfall of MUFON, if it is wrong. Let us) hope that is isn't. Are there no reservations?g (5,Don Ware) There are no reservations. The GB flap is a large number of cases ga (Ted) Don is next ga Don (5,DON) pass (Ted) Mark Y is up GA (5,Mark Y) Has any hardware or landing tracings been found? GA (5,Mark R. Owens) ! (5,Don Ware) A circle 12-14 ft in diameter in the school yard was affected so that the grass died and did not grow back in the Spring. Extensive investigation has been unable to determine the cause. On 17 Dec. Ed said he saw some liquid fall from a UFO into a field. A "butter tub" with rainwater, dirt and algae was found bubbling and apparently captured some of the fluid. Two analyses of the fluid indicated diluted sea water. ga (Ted) Wedge is up GA (5,Mark R. Owens) ! (5,Wedge) The Northeast Ohio sighting is unique in that not only are there independent witnesses, photos, etc., but we have official document showing that the event took "official" place. Gulf Breeze is really big in event status, but no documents, from what I can see from military sources. Are there some? (5,Bill) !!!!! (5,Don Ware) There has been nothing from any government agency on GB. ga (5,Wedge) ? follow (Ted) Follow Dale (5,Wedge) Is there a reason that Gulf Breeze is more important than the Lake Erie sighting (which has an official U.S. document)? Or is is that your case has been commercialized by the Sentinel and Walt Andrus? My case hasn't even made the MUFON Journal, but I'm not writing a book.ga (Ted) Dale tonight's subject is GB. Let's not forget! (5,Don Ware) I have very little information on the NE Ohio case. (Ted) Next is Mark, [then BILL of Anaheim] ga Mark (5,Mark R. Owens) Don, Now that you have had experience with several abductees, has any determination been made as to what the motives are behind the GB incidents. I have heard that there is something behind this, possibly some type of programming or something of that nature. And, what is the future as you see it for GB? (5,Wedge) Religious? Sorry! (5,Don Ware) The abduction phenomenon was going on here before the photographs were taken, and they have continued since 1 May. I think that the abduction phenomenon and the GB photographs are 2 separate issues. ********************************************** * THE U.F.O. BBS - http://www.ufobbs.com/ufo * **********************************************