SUBJECT: THE PHOENIX PROJECT FROM A GENIE FORUM FILE: UFO2511 PART 14 Filename: Phoeni14.Thd Type : Message Thread Author : Jack Mathias Date : 11/28/92 Desc : Rebuttal to Ed Stewart ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Re: Phoenix project From Ed Stewart To Joseph Harris 11-26-92 07:17 -=> Quoting Joseph Harris to Jack Mathias <=- JH> (and I STILL want to hear the reasoning behind letting this report JH> sit on a shelf for three years.) ES> Believe me you don't want to hear it! ...but promised to provide me ES> with material later after they contacted their alleged "inside ES> experts within the Phoenix Group". ES> Sure enough two days later Jack Mathias downloaded a file directly ES> to me and suggested I could do with it what I wish with only one ES> consideration. Remove all references to the Phoenix Project if I ES> chose to make it public because of the "difficulties" they were ES> experiencing with Paranet. Ed... The way I remember it is that the file I downloaded to you was information on 1989FC and had nothing to do with the question referenced by Joseph. However the way I recall our meeting the question in point was answered. The reason that it took a couple of years for the report to be transmitted was because the Phoenix Project *had* never intended on submitting it. The only reason it was released was because I, myself, pestered the team in my belief that this information should be released -- that we should allow those interested in UFOs, etc, to perhaps gain more knowledge and insight. Which, as it now appears, turned out being bad judgement on my part. ES> After I analyzed the file contents I privately secured the ES> assistance and technical expertise of individuals in the Space ES> Program that I have access to through GENIE and found out that ES> their "reason for three year delay story" has more holes and ES> misinformation than what we have already been exposed to and is ES> simply utter nonsense. Your initial response to the file I gave you was -- as stated -- from information taken from GENIE and concerned 1989FC. I believe it was the idea that 1989FC never existed and that the probe currently on station mapping Venus was never diverted to track its course. It had nothing to do with any of the published reports. If the asteroid doesn't or didn't exist then the newspapers printed falsehood at the time. Making the article in last weeks [I believe] Newsweek also a falsehood since it referred to this. ES> Once misinformation becomes public, someone somewhere will always ES> chose to believe it. Believe it or not I go along with that thought. It is also true that once individuals or groups decide that a piece is filled with lies and loop-holes that have not been explained to *their* satisfaction and state such, this information is also retained by those reading it thus doing nothing but deepening the mystery, etc., and casting suspicious eyes at the group submitting the information. ES> But rest assure, if they ever answer your query (which I seriously ES> doubt they will ever do) and publicize the material they gave me as ES> the reason, I am prepared and WILL respond publicly to the ES> misinformation that is in the file contents. BTW, I am still ES> waiting for their answer on the F-4s on my query to them from over ES> two months ago. I have now received the files that Joseph has been nice enough to put into this echo for me and I must say that I found them interesting. However it is still my contention -- and that of the team -- that nothing has been disproved. I will say -- and I have mentioned this to Steve and Joseph on several occasions -- I am a bit disappointed that the *Team* chose not to respond to the files and they were made public. I, myself, am considering responding, in sorts, to Joesph in regards to his messages and also to the file released by Michael Corbin in which he addressed Don Kircher's 10/23/92 report because I still feel that something should be said. I do not believe for one instant that the book is closed. After all, unless one experiences something it will always remain hard for others who haven't, to believe. Sincerely, Jack Mathias ********************************************** * THE U.F.O. BBS - http://www.ufobbs.com/ufo * **********************************************