I mentioned a while back that I was fed-up with systemd [0], and was considering installing Devuan on my personal mail server. I finally did just that and I have to say it has given me reason to like Debian again (by way of Devuan of course). As far as I can tell, Devuan ASCII [1] is indistinguishable from Debian 9, minus the systemd virus. Systemd led me to give up on Debian, after being a hard-core user since the Slink/Potato days. While my desktop or laptop OS'es tend to vary with my interest at any given time (I've played with lots of GNU/Linux distros plus the three big BSDs at one time or another), my own servers run Debian stable. And back when I did consulting, if given the choice, I would always recommend that my clients use it also (the one exception was in the area of firewalls, where I would recommend OpenBSD). So it's nice to see what many of us consider and know as Debian continue to be developed and supported. Every once in a while I read about problems keeping systemd from infecting software on the remaining sensible GNU/Linux distros, and I hope it does not become impossible. [0] gopher://republic.circumlunar.space/0/~slugmax/phlog/2018-10-06-systemd-and-tags [1] gopher://www.devuan.org/1/os/debian-fork/ascii-stable-announce-060818.gph