It all started with a simple qestion on the mailling list of uncivilisation. Someone wondered why the list was so quiet lately. At that made me start to compose, mentally at first, an answer. I'm new to the mail list and I've been mostly lurking around with some 'aha!' moments that I shared with the group. I started to think about why I am not sharing much on this list. The more I research and read about collapse, decolonization or tranformation of our culture into a new culture the less I know what to do. You can't really blame politics as they are powerless in the face of such change. So it's easy to go up the ladder and blame the corporations that are exploiting the systems in place.Soon I realized that even corporation as stuck in this comsumerist capitalistic system that is completely disfunctional and abusive by nature. It's natural to put the blame on that system and call it a day. That doesn't feel real, something is missing. I realize that it's a lot bigger than politics or economic system. Is it our language itself? What is the seed of the problem? I'm reading "An introduction to Zen" by D.T. Suzuki. I'm familiar with Zen practices, I've mostly enjoy its pragmatic approach to meditation. Suzuki threw a wrench (quite enjoyable though) into that understanding of Zen. In the third chapter he talks about logic and how it's the enemy of Zen. I fully agree with that, as logic is quite counter intuitive in spiritual development. You have to see logic for what it is and let it play in it's own walled playground while you free yourself and discover a different reality that is not bound by your logical mind. This is when it got me. The collapse we are living, is not a collapse of capitalism, or patriarchy, or colonialism, it the collapse of the many hundred years of logical thinking. We have built a house of card, trying to escape our own nature for so long now. We built logic to give sense to something that doesn't make sense to start with. What is the solution then? There are no solutions. The collapse is, and has to happen in order to shatter this logical mind and set us free, or kill us all. There are no last minute new way of doing things, we're at the end of the rope of our logic, and it has to implode. That is why I don't find much to share on that mailling list. We can talk, make sense or not of what is happening, but there is no logical way to get out of it. We can debate and argue who is more right or who is more wrong, but we're all contributing into this escapism of our true nature trough logic and resoning. Science has always been clear about its goal, it's a method that tries to analyse the reality we are living in. Using logic and reproductibility. Science is the first one to declare that it can't explain everything, and there might never be a time where science will be able to calculate our whole reality. We're caught in our own web of logic, and as anyone is reading this, the logic mind will try to counter this idea. It doesn't make sense, there is always a solution to every problem... until there are no more solutions, and logic doesn't work anymore. Fighting the collapse with the intelect is only putting more oil on the fire. There are no logical way out, and planing and creating system out of this is only another form of escapism. What does it mean to give up logic and language? I don't know, and I don't think there are word for this. Logic is only half what humans are and blindlessly following logic has led us here. We can't give up logic as it doesn't 'make sense.' And this is where lies the problem, this infinite loop of 'logic.' Since we lived all our life in this 'logical' reality there is no way to see another way of being. We can't see what we don't know, or at least that is what 'logic' implies. Which brings back this point of a solution. There has to be a solution, as logically there is always a solution to a problem. But logic itself, which creates the problem and the solution IS the problem. So what can you do when what creates the problem is the problem. And now you're stuck again in a recursive loop. A huge part of 'liberation' trough meditation is to find these recursive loops in my mind. We all have them and they block us from relaxing or letting go. "I cannot not think about this problem, as it needs to be resolved" While the thinking is really the issue here. I was reading a William S Borough interview and he touched a few times on these 'word locks.' These concept that screw society in a certain way of thinking for many years. War on drugs was one of them. It made me realized that these recusive mind loops are also cultural and block us from 'evolving' or 'liberating' our mind. And with this 'collapse' (sorry for the over usage of quotations, it feels like nothing make sense anymore) I feel we're stuck in a massive recursive loop that touches the core of human logic that has been developped for a couple thousands years. It feels like as soon as we started to 'make sense' a seed of that collapse was sown. Now it's too big to come out of the tree, we simply have to let that tree die to create some nutrient for something else to grow instead. To hope for the collapse not to happen, re-inforce this logical mind set. To hope the collapse will happen is also a logical loop that binds us. I guess it's sad and it's good to feel something about it. The only thing I see worthwhile is to imagine, or dream what life is without being governed by logic. It's a nice exercise to cultivate community, emotional intelligence (not in the logical way thoug), creativity and intuition. And as illogical it feels like, learning to meditate at every moment of the day seems to be the only way out. Again... There are no solutions, because a solution would validate logic, as long as there is a solution there is no change, because there is no collapse. Wanting a solution to the collapse is only extending this dominating way of thinking. While re-reading and editing this reflection, I realized that it makes no sense. Although I am trying to make sense of it! It's probably useless even to share! Don't take offence by it, it doesn't really mean anything logical.