Joshua Gordon Thank you for the reference; and it matches up closely to what I learned during my three year stint as a converted Eastern Orthodox in my 20s (it was my religious questing time - staying in a monastery for a bit is quite fun actually) - I'm agnostic now but anyway, Learning an alternate view of history than what I did when I was a kid and Methodist was amazing. Growing up, it was all about the archeology, but these Greeks had monks in the desert, Scribes, an education system with actual continuity (rather than having to rediscover the past; they really didn't lose it because they had no "middle ages"). And the archeological finds in the West corresponded nicely to the record-keeping from the Greek side; the scribes in particular were quite anal about accuracy; one of the biggest and hottest debates in the Council of Nicea in 325 was over a single iota... [1]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homoousian It was an attempt at a scientific, rational way of bringing consistency to the group. After all, where did the idea of reason come from? The Greeks. Where did the very idea of "idea" come from? the Greeks (Plato). I'm not Greek, but it was nice to get a view of history that wasn't limited to what I learned in New Jersey by a history teacher who used books that had cavemen with blond hair and shaved faces. *sigh* Thoughts, [2]James Chambers ? References Visible links 1. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homoousian 2. https://www.facebook.com/jcnotmyrealone