I think the goals of transhumanism are admirable and I support
   their efforts 100%. If someone wants to live forever and finds a
   way, I say "Go right ahead!". I wouldn't mind it myself. I don't
   _plan_ on physical immortality; I figure 84-88 years old is
   reasonable considering my life habits and what I know of my
   genetics. Might be sooner, might be later.

   But I see it this way: KENNETH UDUT: BORN 1972 - DIED ????

   I couldn't help the 1972. I won't likely be aware enough to know
   for certain what numbers the ???? turns into.

   But I know ONE THING for certain.

   I'm the -

   Doesn't matter what point in the - I'm at. I'm the - itself.

   Maybe transhumanism will be successful and the ???? will remain
   ???? for an unbelievable span of time.

   What I _do_ count on though, is immortality through the effects
   I have on other people. A kind word or deed that moves the
   machineries in another person a little bit, changing the levers
   in their state system just a little.. and in that new state they
   see the world a little differently and make it a little bit
   better where they go.

   They may forget my name. They might not even KNOW my name.
   Doesn't matter _I_ know I made a difference. Millions and
   millions and millions of little differences that can lead to
   amazingly powerful effects that spread throughout the Earth in
   some fashion, however large or small.

   The effects continue on to affect others, whether I'm physically
   here, physically not here; doesn't really much matter, for in my
   every action, word and good thought I have is knitting my
   immortality as I go through the course of daily living.

   No grand spectacle. There's no conference needed. No
   documentaries made. No books written. Yet its' all very real
   just the same.

   I'm participating in the Systems of existence such as they are.
   It is within these very Systems that immortality is achieved.

   Can there be more than that? Different forms of immortality?
   Sure. But since I don't know fully WHAT my consciousness is
   enough to know whether it can continue on for eternity or if it
   really even exists as an object in the first place - I choose
   (yes, choose, because there's still a 'me' here to choose - the
   subjective is still real) SOME path to immortality that I can do
   something about in the here and now.

   Of course, here isn't really here, and now already passed by the
   time I typed the word now... and certainly by the time you read
   this, which will be a different now... but such is Time. Its
   also part of the same "now" in a thread that connects Time in
   ways that led Plato to believe in an eternal realm of perfected
   forms. I don't believe in a realm of perfected forms, whether
   mathematics or heaven... but I _do_ believe that Time is a more
   fascinating and complicated thing than clocks say.